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ProSense

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3. Wait

Sat Dec 31, 2011, 09:37 PM

Dec 2011

You're implying that Bush didn't do any of those things?

The reason Obama is stuck with them is because of Bush, who also sanctioned torture and launched an illegal war in Iraq.

No policy or practice of the last decade has brought greater shame on America. But the stain of torture extends far beyond the damage to the nation’s moral standing. The use of torture—and the failure to engage in any formal legal reckoning—has degraded the rule of law in ways that continue to metastasize. President Obama categorically disavowed torture when he came to office, and closed the secret CIA prisons where so much of the abuse took place.14 But the President’s political calculation that the nation must look forward and not backward leaves the door open to future abuses.

http://www.aclu.org/files/assets/acalltocourage.pdf

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What if Bush... [View all] Charlemagne Dec 2011 OP

We would all (Democrats anyway) be bitching up a storm Autumn Dec 2011 #1

What makes you think these things aren't controversial? Dewey Finn Dec 2011 #2

Wait ProSense Dec 2011 #3

You're implying that Bush didn't do any of those things? Charlemagne Dec 2011 #4

There ProSense Dec 2011 #8

I call bullshit, and especially with his signing of the NDAA bill today. There is no other teddy51 Dec 2011 #7

What ProSense Dec 2011 #9

Just one more step in the wrong direction by this President! He seems to do teddy51 Dec 2011 #12

Oh, you know....it adds to teh list. jaxx Jan 2012 #44

Empire BeFree Dec 2011 #5

Again I call bullshit. If you can't stand the heat, then get out of the kitchen teddy51 Dec 2011 #10

Primary Obama? BeFree Dec 2011 #13

After today they can for sure! Signed with Reservations though! Whatever that may teddy51 Dec 2011 #15

They always could BeFree Dec 2011 #17

I do have a bit of faith in Obama with respect to this new law, but can teddy51 Dec 2011 #18

Imagine?" BeFree Dec 2011 #19

Yeah, gosh what would happen if that power ever landed in the hands of A Simple Game Dec 2011 #39

I hear ya, but I guess I am saying that compared to the Clown car, Obama is teddy51 Jan 2012 #41

For just this, not much else, maybe Ron Paul. n/t A Simple Game Jan 2012 #54

"Whatever that may mean." Control-Z Dec 2011 #20

I read his explanation earlier, and thanks! But IMO for the reasons he listed, he is teddy51 Dec 2011 #21

He also could have Charlemagne Dec 2011 #23

Sorry, but I don't trust him at all! I voted for him, donated to him and still realize that he is teddy51 Dec 2011 #25

well, he did keep GITMO open and continued the wiretapping Motown_Johnny Dec 2011 #6

Not saying it was bad Charlemagne Dec 2011 #11

Obama kept Gittmo open dennis4868 Jan 2012 #42

my point being that Bush did keep GITMO open Motown_Johnny Jan 2012 #48

We would be calling for his head and we all know it. n/t doc03 Dec 2011 #14

Exactly. ixion Dec 2011 #22

Absolutely, uncontroversially true and accurate. nt Poll_Blind Dec 2011 #26

But ProSense Dec 2011 #29

Bush is, was, and always will be the scum of the earths crust that should be behind bars. teddy51 Dec 2011 #30

Haven't ProSense Dec 2011 #32

Lol, yeah right! Obama may have, but the US still bears responsibility for the teddy51 Dec 2011 #35

Well ProSense Dec 2011 #38

Well wasn't the HCR bill patterned after Romneycare including the doc03 Dec 2011 #34

Not just romney. Charlemagne Dec 2011 #37

Yes - I love the way DU has different emilyg Jan 2012 #47

This is just propaganda. gulliver Dec 2011 #16

"Are we not standing by our principles simply because the guy in charge is a Democrat?" tledford Dec 2011 #24

No, because I have yet to hear him admit that he is a Democrat! Last thing I heard teddy51 Dec 2011 #27

Things are happening - OWS TBF Dec 2011 #28

What would you have us do? Charlemagne Dec 2011 #31

Come to the socialists progressives group - TBF Dec 2011 #33

If it weren't for OWS, I would be in abject despair DerekG Dec 2011 #36

What if george bush did the following thelordofhell Dec 2011 #40

hello? dennis4868 Jan 2012 #43

I still have hope thelordofhell Jan 2012 #49

We would all indulge in the outrage, no matter how ridiculous it was treestar Jan 2012 #45

So you cited Charlemagne Jan 2012 #46

No one reveres him as a god treestar Jan 2012 #50

You must not read DU very much. Jakes Progress Jan 2012 #52

What do you mean? treestar Jan 2012 #55

It was Jakes Progress Jan 2012 #56

I've never seen the President "revered as a god" treestar Jan 2012 #57

Hence, my post. Jakes Progress Jan 2012 #58

Well my friend Charlemagne Jan 2012 #53

You left out Jakes Progress Jan 2012 #51