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FrodosNewPet

(495 posts)
Sat Oct 7, 2017, 11:31 AM Oct 2017

Should drunk drivers be charged with DUI in fully autonomous cars? [View all]

Should drunk drivers be charged with DUI in fully autonomous cars?

New laws will have to be written based on the level of automation you have.

https://arstechnica.com/cars/2017/10/australia-panel-asks-is-starting-a-self-driving-car-while-drunk-criminal/

MEGAN GEUSS - 10/6/2017, 11:19 AM


In some Australian states, it’s illegal to start a car with the intent to put it in motion while you’re drunk. The rise of autonomous vehicles complicates things though. Sure, you’re three sheets to the wind and want to put the car in motion, but you're unlikely to hurt anyone by directing a car to taxi you through the Taco Bell drive-through a couple of times before you pass out in a cloud of tortilla dust.

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Though it may seem obvious that a drunk person should be allowed to be taxied home by a fully autonomous car, the question is less clear if you have to determine just how autonomous an autonomous vehicle needs to be for a drunk person to operate it. The government should want drunk people to engage a high-level autonomous driving system if the alternative is driving themselves home, but if they’ll be penalized for being drunk while they’re “in control” of an autonomous vehicle, uptake of self-driving systems may be slow.

Instead, the NTC argues, drunk driving offenses should only apply to drunk people who are manually operating their vehicles but not to people who have merely started an autonomous car. The present rules "exist because a person who starts or sets in motion a conventional vehicle while under the influence clearly has an intention to drive,” the NTC writes.

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The questions are being raised in the US, too. At the Governors' Highway Safety Association meeting this week, US authorities discussed open container laws in autonomous vehicles. Currently, it's illegal to have an open alcohol container in a car while you're driving US roads. But should that apply in fully autonomous systems where no one is driving?

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Day by day, automated vehicle technology is progressing to the point of feasibility. At the same time, many social and economic challenges will be coming along for the ride.

We need to address these challenges sooner or later. We cannot keep kicking them down the road. We need to be prepared for the loss of professional driver jobs. Not to mention the huge economic infrastructure catering to personally owned vehicles - car dealers, mechanics, tow trucks, etc.
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If you carry any responsibility Lithos Oct 2017 #1
BUT, if the car is completely autonomous... Dave Starsky Oct 2017 #4
I'm not either BannonsLiver Oct 2017 #11
I don't ever want one that a human can't override. Ms. Toad Oct 2017 #13
No. AngryAmish Oct 2017 #2
If an autonomous car crashes sarisataka Oct 2017 #3
It's Barack Obama's fault, of course. Dave Starsky Oct 2017 #6
Ah, the First Law of Trumpbotics n/t NotASurfer Oct 2017 #21
Yes. No vehicle will ever be fully autonomous without monitoring. NutmegYankee Oct 2017 #5
"ever"??? You do not realize how technology works. nt USALiberal Oct 2017 #29
Automated cars are going to be a new frontier in tort and criminal law. Lee-Lee Oct 2017 #7
Technology is always ahead of the law. If theres anyway that the driver could alter the path NightWatcher Oct 2017 #8
Only if people reading, texting, etc. also get charged with criminal conduct as well. Coventina Oct 2017 #9
Being Drunk or Hiigh is WAY different than unsafe distracted behaviors. JoeStuckInOH Oct 2017 #15
Nope. According to the data, texting is worse than being drunk. Coventina Oct 2017 #17
You're missing what I'm saying... JoeStuckInOH Oct 2017 #18
If ANYONE in the driver's seat is incapacitated in ANY way, they should be Coventina Oct 2017 #20
What was the law in the 19th century about riding horses drunk? DBoon Oct 2017 #10
Nowadays you can be charged with DUI or equivalent Mariana Oct 2017 #12
I think we now generalize auto based DUI laws to other forms of transportation DBoon Oct 2017 #22
I would guess not. Mariana Oct 2017 #24
Yes. Many options exist to help drunkards... Uber, Lyft, Taxis, and friends. JoeStuckInOH Oct 2017 #14
they say its like taking a cab so it should be like taking a cab dembotoz Oct 2017 #16
I agree. Mariana Oct 2017 #25
Drunk drivers should always be charged with a DUI. Iggo Oct 2017 #19
The fault would lie with the maker of the SD car gyroscope Oct 2017 #23
yes because the "driver" has the ability to overrule the computer and he/she should be sober enough karynnj Oct 2017 #26
NO. democratisphere Oct 2017 #27
There are no fully autonomous vehicles! longship Oct 2017 #28
Are there any rules about people who are drunk out of their Doreen Oct 2017 #30
Only if the automation could be disabled by the "driver". no_hypocrisy Oct 2017 #31
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