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KY_EnviroGuy

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37. PWB, the shame is their voices are not being heard...
Sat Oct 7, 2017, 05:32 PM
Oct 2017

by the public. Just like millions of others in our society suffering in many ways, their voices are not heard loud enough to enrage the public.

As long as we continue to have compliant news media and allow big money from corporations, massive lobbying, and the mega-rich's funds into politics, I'm afraid nothing will change. We need to find ways to amplify those voices!

You make an excellent point Va Lefty Oct 2017 #1
That's troubling. In the meantime, my wife's dentist MineralMan Oct 2017 #2
And for some procedures and some people, Advil isn't enough. Ilsa Oct 2017 #45
Did they put the shoulder back in the socket? pnwmom Oct 2017 #8
Yes but I was surprised they wouldn't give him a script Va Lefty Oct 2017 #12
Actually after the joint (shoulder) is put back, it is sore. TNNurse Oct 2017 #20
Sounds like you know more about it than me Va Lefty Oct 2017 #39
Mine was dislocated with three fractures. It still hurt after they put it back in socket. davsand Oct 2017 #42
You had fractures, that is a different situation TNNurse Oct 2017 #89
now you do loyalsister Oct 2017 #88
Yes, this is very important. potone Oct 2017 #3
Not everybody . . . MousePlayingDaffodil Oct 2017 #41
One serious misconception about Med MJ is that you are "stoned" all the time. davsand Oct 2017 #43
You must not know much... potone Oct 2017 #53
As opposed to opioids? stevenleser Oct 2017 #57
Even people suffering acute pain can't get the pain relief they need. Coventina Oct 2017 #4
OTOH, your severe and intractable pain was a clue. If they had simply addressed it with pnwmom Oct 2017 #9
True, but I don't understand why they couldn't be more sympathetic. Coventina Oct 2017 #10
There was no excuse for their lack of sympathy. I'm sorry you had to go through that! pnwmom Oct 2017 #15
My sis in law has terrible pain...arthritis...she used to take pain meds but now can't get Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #13
Your sis in law has a different problem -- not a staple left in after surgery. n/t pnwmom Oct 2017 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author Maraya1969 Oct 2017 #22
Not at all. With the previous poster (the OP), I was pointing out that continuing pain meds pnwmom Oct 2017 #24
OK I get it now. I'll just delete my post OK? Maraya1969 Oct 2017 #25
It makes no difference. I fail to see why people should be denied medicine for pain because Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #71
I'm not saying that people with real pain should be denied pain medication. pnwmom Oct 2017 #72
They should do both. Mariana Oct 2017 #75
The only reason they discovered the staple was that they knew she shouldn't have continuing pain. pnwmom Oct 2017 #76
exactly, and quite often they won't/can't fix the problem OR give you pain relief; that is what TheFrenchRazor Oct 2017 #85
If they hadn't assumed she was LYING about the pain Mariana Oct 2017 #52
years ago my cancer ridden wife was prescibed some heavy duty pain killers...her mom told the doc dembotoz Oct 2017 #5
See, that's the thing right there. Ligyron Oct 2017 #7
sometimes a person just needs to be snowed dembotoz Oct 2017 #11
this, and throw in suicide. nt TheFrenchRazor Oct 2017 #34
See also: Prince. ehrnst Oct 2017 #6
A big who cares. People who abuse drugs are playing with fire...their problem. It is unfair to deny Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #14
FYI cagefreesoylentgreen Oct 2017 #117
He could have gotten drugs legally for his pain...celebrities can do this...unlike my sister in law Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #121
In my job Horse with no Name Oct 2017 #17
you said it. nt TheFrenchRazor Oct 2017 #33
My 79-year-old sister has unremitting pain in her lower back. Thirties Child Oct 2017 #18
i hope she has gotten relief; those hurdles are put there precisely so that many people will just gi TheFrenchRazor Oct 2017 #102
You nailed it. Thirties Child Oct 2017 #127
The Vetrans Administration is taking away pain meds from Veterans. pwb Oct 2017 #19
PWB, the shame is their voices are not being heard... KY_EnviroGuy Oct 2017 #37
They sure are. Ligyron Oct 2017 #47
It predates Trump, and is largely bipartisan, sadly. Crunchy Frog Oct 2017 #49
Some, maybe, but the DEA and CDC guidelines were amended in 2017. pwb Oct 2017 #62
Could you point me to a source for these guideline amendments? Crunchy Frog Oct 2017 #91
Happy to. Search cdc opiate guidelines. pwb Oct 2017 #92
Okay, I searched it extensively, adding 2017 to the search terms Crunchy Frog Oct 2017 #96
Sure, search V A opiate use and marijuana. pwb Oct 2017 #123
Okay, so it's the VA rather than the CDC. Crunchy Frog Oct 2017 #124
The v a following cdc and DEA guidelines. pwb Oct 2017 #125
Link? Crunchy Frog Oct 2017 #126
I have tried to guide you but you need to look yourself. pwb Oct 2017 #128
I did look myself. Crunchy Frog Oct 2017 #129
O k. pwb Oct 2017 #130
I use google, cdc opiate rules 2017 pwb Oct 2017 #131
I've found the CDC guidelines. Crunchy Frog Oct 2017 #132
Here is the review that I left on Google and FB for a pharmacy I went to last week Maraya1969 Oct 2017 #21
I know that pharmacy chains are connected, but I've never heard that different chains pnwmom Oct 2017 #26
I use a small pharmacy that is not a chain. And yes all your drug purchased are put in a data Maraya1969 Oct 2017 #55
i hear you; this is total BS. let the anti-opiate fanatics pay the bills of people whom they would d TheFrenchRazor Oct 2017 #31
Very complicated issue thbobby Oct 2017 #23
re your last sentence: let that pain go on literally non-stop for years, and then get back to us. TheFrenchRazor Oct 2017 #30
I do not understand you thbobby Oct 2017 #32
I think you should be able to access free drug counseling if you need to take opiate pills Maraya1969 Oct 2017 #56
I have been saying this to friends since this started. redstatebluegirl Oct 2017 #27
I can't imagine how horrible it would be to be in such unrelenting pain and not being able to get smirkymonkey Oct 2017 #28
word; i am shocked at the callousness of people who smugly tell severe chronic pain sufferers to jus TheFrenchRazor Oct 2017 #29
I don't tell my patients anything in a smug manner. Aristus Oct 2017 #51
I have been to physical therapy at least 8 times, I use heat, I have done holistic Maraya1969 Oct 2017 #58
doesn't matter how diplomatic you are, the result is the same; i hope you know that. many of us TheFrenchRazor Oct 2017 #60
As I'm sure you're aware, opioid medications cause tolerance. Aristus Oct 2017 #68
i'll leave it at this: there are worse things than "tolerance"/addiction. if you don't know this, yo TheFrenchRazor Oct 2017 #80
I tend to get the "You should not be in the medical profession" most often from Aristus Oct 2017 #83
yeah, i am a life-long non-drinker, non-smoker, vegetarian, non-drug user, athlete, etc., TheFrenchRazor Oct 2017 #86
Your gross and undeserved insults to a poster you don't know former9thward Oct 2017 #100
really? said poster call me a "drug seeker;" i'm sorry if i didn't take that very well. i'm guessin TheFrenchRazor Oct 2017 #104
And a good day to you too! former9thward Oct 2017 #109
And none of this shit is going to do a damn thing about the addicts n2doc Oct 2017 #35
this too. as usual. nt TheFrenchRazor Oct 2017 #106
They keep trying to find a 'one response for all' solution Maeve Oct 2017 #36
we have a family member barbtries Oct 2017 #38
Amen, MineralMan catbyte Oct 2017 #40
word. nt TheFrenchRazor Oct 2017 #46
Cannabis butter/oil is a great substitute. theaocp Oct 2017 #44
unfortunately, most of us live in states where cannabis is illegal, so that is not an option. nt TheFrenchRazor Oct 2017 #101
I'm one of those in chronic pain. WhiteTara Oct 2017 #48
I am sitting here severely under-medicated because of the pressure on doctors Lucinda Oct 2017 #50
Ppl can always numb pain with alcohol Nevernose Oct 2017 #54
it's insane, but i guarantee that people have had to do that. i have, even though alcohol makes me i TheFrenchRazor Oct 2017 #61
A lot of people still like to pretend Mariana Oct 2017 #67
Good OP MineralMan airplaneman Oct 2017 #59
I know such a woman. no_hypocrisy Oct 2017 #63
i hear you; the pain itself often has multiple negative health effects - reduced mobility, depressio TheFrenchRazor Oct 2017 #98
I would think the drug companies would fight these crack downs. Man_Bear_Pig Oct 2017 #64
When my hips and femurs were disintegrating, MoonRiver Oct 2017 #65
People who suffer from pain and their advocates warned about this for a long time aikoaiko Oct 2017 #66
oh, quit yer whining, you druggie. i'm sorry, of course that was sarcasm; a lot of people really TheFrenchRazor Oct 2017 #110
My mother in law, now 80, was one of the last people in America to contract Polio. NNadir Oct 2017 #69
My daughter is one of those chronic pain patients. What she williesgirl Oct 2017 #70
Sure is something unique about Americans, have more pain than EVERYONE ELSE in the World snooper2 Oct 2017 #73
Or, the rest of the world's population suffers more in silence. WinkyDink Oct 2017 #84
No evidence of that at all. former9thward Oct 2017 #103
Hydrocodone isn't prescribed outside the United States, so that's really disingenuous. Crunchy Frog Oct 2017 #93
We are also older as a society (our baby boom was earlier) Sgent Oct 2017 #116
More gunshot injuries. n/t Crunchy Frog Oct 2017 #118
so because some people abuse drugs, then everyone else can just suffer until they die? is that what TheFrenchRazor Oct 2017 #119
I deal with being treated as a criminal every month! DVRacer Oct 2017 #74
As adults over the age of 21 we ought to be able to buy pain pills. iscooterliberally Oct 2017 #77
I see your point, but know that such a thing is not MineralMan Oct 2017 #78
I agree that self-prescription isn't going to happen. iscooterliberally Oct 2017 #79
I think there should be prescriptions for recreational drug use Major Nikon Oct 2017 #97
i agree 100%. nt TheFrenchRazor Oct 2017 #81
I live with chronic pain lovemydogs Oct 2017 #82
what?? you mean you haven't upped your dose every day, turned to a life of crime, and become a menac TheFrenchRazor Oct 2017 #87
Most people who take these meds are like you. Mariana Oct 2017 #122
I think "addiction" is not well understood loyalsister Oct 2017 #90
Physical dependency isn't even the same thing as addiction. Crunchy Frog Oct 2017 #94
That's what I was getting at loyalsister Oct 2017 #95
Physical dependence is more inclusive Major Nikon Oct 2017 #99
i think those classifications are highly debatable; the bottom line is that it really doesn't matter TheFrenchRazor Oct 2017 #105
I would go one step farther in that people should be allowed full control over their own bag of meat Major Nikon Oct 2017 #107
not sure what you mean by meat, but i probably agree. nt TheFrenchRazor Oct 2017 #111
You aren't truly free if you can't do what you want with your own body Major Nikon Oct 2017 #114
agreed; there are far too many people who don't know how to mind their own business. nt TheFrenchRazor Oct 2017 #120
I'm one of them people. ghostsinthemachine Oct 2017 #108
but, but, aren't you afraid you'll get addicted?? i'm sure you're more afraid of dying in extreme pa TheFrenchRazor Oct 2017 #112
Drug addiction is a medical problem WinstonSmith00 Oct 2017 #113
Legalise all drugs. Addiction is about pain, not drugs... Locut0s Oct 2017 #115
I'm strongly convinced that additional paperwork isn't excess. Jeffereybuckley Apr 2019 #133
You mean like prohibition, where more alcohol was used than before or after? Ironically... marble falls Apr 2019 #134
welcome to DU gopiscrap Apr 2019 #135
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