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stevenleser

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32. Let's take your two incorrect contentions one at a time...

Reply to left-of-center2012 (Reply #29)

Sat Oct 7, 2017, 10:29 PM

Oct 2017

You contend that neither of the following is said in my link

1. Sanders is the only chance to beat Trump in 2020
and
2. They continue to infer that Sanders was cheated in 2016.

Lets dispense with #2 right off the bat. The title of the post to which I linked is, drumroll please...

"Democrats Are ALREADY Trying to RIG the 2020 Primaries Against Bernie" - which is a clear implication that this was already done in 2016.

Regarding #1, lets take three sentences of the paragraph in question:

"Bernie Sanders may very well run for president again in 2020, and knowing that he now has the same level of name recognition Hillary Clinton had in 2016, Democrats are terrified at the prospect of him winning."

and

"As a result, they’re already trying to rewrite rules in an effort to give their preferred candidate—Kamala Harris—an advantage"

and
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"If this is a sign of what’s to come from Democrats, then 2020 might turn out to be a repeat of 2016, and we all know what that means… four more years of Donald J.Trump."
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JPR Nutjobs interpret CA moving up their primary as an attack on Sanders chances in 2020 [View all] stevenleser Oct 2017 OP

The people and posts at JPR deserve the same (lack of) respect as the people and posts at FR. LonePirate Oct 2017 #1

Agreed. The only reason they deserve mention at all is that they are part of DU history AND stevenleser Oct 2017 #2

Discordant notes in the choir? guillaumeb Oct 2017 #10

What's Sanders going to do, run as a 3rd party candidate? He has zero chance running as a Dem again. brush Oct 2017 #33

I am not a Bernie fan at all, but I wouldn't say he has zero chance. But the JPR types dont stevenleser Oct 2017 #35

They can advance their self-deceptive interests all they want but the Democratic Party... brush Oct 2017 #37

I agree 100% nt stevenleser Oct 2017 #39

A question I keep asking and that Bernie-bashers keep not answering... Jim Lane Oct 2017 #46

The party should not be joined so that a little-known independent can use... brush Oct 2017 #51

You've got it wrong. Jim Lane Oct 2017 #53

"After everything I've said about the party ... NanceGreggs Oct 2017 #62

Is it possible that the DNC could bring in a rule that you OnDoutside Oct 2017 #65

I don't know if it's possible. It's clearly the wrong way to go. Jim Lane Oct 2017 #110

Your post is misleading. Leahy is a Democratic delisen Oct 2017 #71

Not misleading at all. Stating facts. Jim Lane Oct 2017 #104

Smears? MyNameGoesHere Oct 2017 #106

Yes, smears. A lie about someone you dislike is still a lie. Jim Lane Oct 2017 #114

Bernie said "I am a Democrat" during his campaign. DanTex Oct 2017 #142

Exactly. The Democrat-bashers refuse to acknowledge Bernie's own words R B Garr Oct 2017 #60

DNC bylaws should be amended so that delegates can not vote for or be claimed by someone stevenleser Oct 2017 #55

That's a terrible idea. Jim Lane Oct 2017 #109

Nope, its a great idea. You want to be our partys standard bearer? Great. stevenleser Oct 2017 #111

Online signup is not voter registration Jim Lane Oct 2017 #113

I never said it was. Its another way to join the party. Nt stevenleser Oct 2017 #115

It is not unreasonable for someone standing on behalf of the Democratic Party, to reflect the ideals OnDoutside Oct 2017 #112

I'm a Democrat and a small-d democrat, so I say leave it up to the people. Jim Lane Oct 2017 #116

I left there a long time ago... maybe it was the racist yuiyoshida Oct 2017 #105

I have more respect for the scummy posters at FR. At least they aren't pretending to be Democrats. FSogol Oct 2017 #18

Agreed Gothmog Oct 2017 #44

This message was self-deleted by its author Eliot Rosewater Oct 2017 #3

Anything good for Dems losses then off- so fuck em if they hate Dems. bettyellen Oct 2017 #4

Does this mean they support Nancy Pelosi now and dont think she is too old? Eliot Rosewater Oct 2017 #5

Pelosi is a woman JI7 Oct 2017 #7

If only that was the only reason they hate her. Eliot Rosewater Oct 2017 #8

No, it only applies to men. Lil Missy Oct 2017 #141

Oy. greatauntoftriplets Oct 2017 #6

My prediction: Bernie won't run in 2020. longship Oct 2017 #9

Sanders has no chance of winning the nomination unless JI7 Oct 2017 #11

He would still lose. He has angered many Democrats of late with some unwise comments . Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #136

The difference between them and me is MineralMan Oct 2017 #12

Me too...MM. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #137

still obssessing i see shanny Oct 2017 #13

Yep, they are still obsessing. nt stevenleser Oct 2017 #16

You haven't been here very long ... NanceGreggs Oct 2017 #21

Are we talking about G_j Oct 2017 #59

DU has always commented on FR ... NanceGreggs Oct 2017 #61

Got Your Back On This ProfessorGAC Oct 2017 #67

That is what I was saying G_j Oct 2017 #74

You've forgotten about ... NanceGreggs Oct 2017 #119

Actually, G_j Oct 2017 #125

Agree! Wellstone ruled Oct 2017 #108

no, the "jpr nutjobs" posted a video by somebody called "the humanist report" who interprets this. m-lekktor Oct 2017 #14

5 recs and two comments both agreeing. And I remember Segami who is the poster, he agrees. stevenleser Oct 2017 #15

And when he posted it before, some of us disagreed Jim Lane Oct 2017 #47

You were in a small minority then as now over there stevenleser Oct 2017 #52

I love that insidious word "normalize". Brilliant misdirection-by-framing. Jim Lane Oct 2017 #117

JPR is full of Stein and stay home kind of voters who helped elect Donald Trump. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #135

And a bunch of nut jobs agree with the poster, including some who vow not to vote for a Democrat.n/t pnwmom Oct 2017 #17

Lol. MrsCoffee Oct 2017 #45

Sorry, we can all read the JPR thread, so you can't just make up stuff about it emulatorloo Oct 2017 #107

Right but it is what they think so...how is that different. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #138

bwahahahaha WhiteTara Oct 2017 #19

They referred to Kamala Harris as a DINO. That is what they did to HRC. StevieM Oct 2017 #20

Their main issue with her is that she isnt Bernie. Anyone who looms as a challenge to stevenleser Oct 2017 #34

It's a definite lolsob that that they now want to anoint Bernie Sanders for 2020 KitSileya Oct 2017 #54

Extreme LOL. betsuni Oct 2017 #63

Why do you care what another website is doing? And why did you bring it here? irisblue Oct 2017 #22

See NanceGreggs #21 above stevenleser Oct 2017 #25

The posters at JPR ... NanceGreggs Oct 2017 #23

Very well said. I forgot about pizzagate. stevenleser Oct 2017 #26

Exactly. NanceGreggs Oct 2017 #38

"The one defining characteristic of the JPR folks ... NanceGreggs Oct 2017 #42

People there were posting stuff from Far Right websites. Willie Pep Oct 2017 #101

I remember them calling for California to be moved up?!! Tavarious Jackson Oct 2017 #24

They are all over the place because they are defined by nationalistic like or hate of people and stevenleser Oct 2017 #27

So much for "moving on" mcar Oct 2017 #28

Yup, one trick ponies. nt stevenleser Oct 2017 #30

Yes, it's a good thing everyone on DU has moved on. Jim Lane Oct 2017 #49

Attacking people for present tense actions has nothing to do with whether we have moved on stevenleser Oct 2017 #58

Exactly! mcar Oct 2017 #77

Please stop putting words in my mouth. Jim Lane Oct 2017 #118

Im using your own word. Thats where I got it from in the first place. nt stevenleser Oct 2017 #124

You appear to have your facts wrong once again. Jim Lane Oct 2017 #131

This message was self-deleted by its author left-of-center2012 Oct 2017 #29

Let's take your two incorrect contentions one at a time... stevenleser Oct 2017 #32

JPR posters are NOT Democrats ... NanceGreggs Oct 2017 #41

States have been jockeying for revelance in primaries for decades. Hoyt Oct 2017 #31

Sanders and hatred of the DNC is everything for these folks. Everything has to be about stevenleser Oct 2017 #36

the anti DNC thing was pushed by the Russians JI7 Oct 2017 #40

It's a year after the election so, why are some obsessing? lovemydogs Oct 2017 #122

I doubt the Dems will make the same mistake again. GoCubsGo Oct 2017 #43

Hope not. ucrdem Oct 2017 #48

Please see my #46 above. Jim Lane Oct 2017 #50

Post removed Post removed Oct 2017 #92

Is further stifling of debates your recipe for victory in 2020? Jim Lane Oct 2017 #121

If california had their primary in march, Jeb would've gotten the Tiggeroshii Oct 2017 #56

it was over for Jeb long before March . JI7 Oct 2017 #64

They shouldn't worry, ellie Oct 2017 #57

He's not going to run as a Democrat again. Not after trashing Dem's constantly, can't fool us again. Lil Missy Oct 2017 #66

The more I hear about near 80 somethings as candidates in 2020 DFW Oct 2017 #68

Agreed, See #'s 69 and 83 below. nt stevenleser Oct 2017 #86

So bored with the "too old" otherizing delisen Oct 2017 #69

Sorry but that is baloney stevenleser Oct 2017 #83

No we do not all agree. Anecdotal stories delisen Oct 2017 #88

Now you are just disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing and I can prove it. stevenleser Oct 2017 #89

You have no facts to back up your assertion delisen Oct 2017 #95

By all means, cite empirical studies about the ability of the elderly to work 80 hour weeks stevenleser Oct 2017 #97

Here, I will help you out, here are empirical studies that back me up stevenleser Oct 2017 #103

Average life expectancy and statistics of common health problems at certain ages are pretty solid. phleshdef Oct 2017 #126

Those stats apply to groups, not individuals delisen Oct 2017 #132

That doesn't even begin to become a refutation. phleshdef Oct 2017 #133

I agree with delisen about the case-by-case approach. Jim Lane Oct 2017 #123

I don't...you have to consider electability. And I just don't think an 80 year old candidate is Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #139

Thats a well known Russian propaganda site Renew Deal Oct 2017 #70

Whenever I see someone GaryCnf Oct 2017 #72

Almost a nice try, but you left out key points stevenleser Oct 2017 #79

Just re-read the OP GaryCnf Oct 2017 #90

I dont need to reread it, I wrote it. And I know exactly what is implied by the JPR post stevenleser Oct 2017 #91

You have a history as well GaryCnf Oct 2017 #93

LOL, JPR Folks have accused me of just about everything, so go ahead. stevenleser Oct 2017 #94

Gee, that sounds a lot like GaryCnf Oct 2017 #100

By the way GaryCnf Oct 2017 #73

There are posters on this thread advocating for Kamala Harris? OilemFirchen Oct 2017 #75

I get bupkis. OilemFirchen Oct 2017 #76

You also missed a critical point in this post as a responder pointed out stevenleser Oct 2017 #82

We can all read this thread, so you can't just make up stuff about it and get a free pass emulatorloo Oct 2017 #96

Yep. And when that persons misdirection failed, they made a not so veiled threat against me stevenleser Oct 2017 #98

Oh yeah, I definitely noticed that part. emulatorloo Oct 2017 #99

How is that a threat? GaryCnf Oct 2017 #102

K&R stonecutter357 Oct 2017 #78

Ha!! :-D NurseJackie Oct 2017 #80

The JPR nutjobs can go fuck themselves! NurseJackie Oct 2017 #81

Priceless! sheshe2 Oct 2017 #84

Indeed Cary Oct 2017 #85

The JPR nutcases are still under the illusion NastyRiffraff Oct 2017 #87

I predicted exactly that when it was announced BannonsLiver Oct 2017 #120

damn this thread sure was a hell of a way to find out that Jim has died... Ysabel Oct 2017 #127

They hate democracy, no big surprise here Blue_Tires Oct 2017 #128

Did anyone complain when it was held February, 2008? RandySF Oct 2017 #129

Why would the Democratic primary mercuryblues Oct 2017 #130

The JPR people were doomed to disappointment...because if Sen. Sanders runs, Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #134

First, Sanders has no chance of winning the 2020 election. Second, who gives a shit what JPR thinks? Lil Missy Oct 2017 #140

K&R... revmclaren Oct 2017 #143

California needs to have a voice in the nomination process Gothmog Oct 2017 #144