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delisen

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69. So bored with the "too old" otherizing

Sun Oct 8, 2017, 07:26 AM

Oct 2017

Is it possible for human societies to exist without creating out groups?

"Us good, them bad." "We have rights, they don't." Seems like such a primitive method of group binding.

I want to live in a democracy where people are seen as individuals, not just as members of a cohort, but as persons with the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

I know many people in their 80s whom I consider fit to run and carry out the duties of the presidency. I know many people in their 40s whom I consider unfit to run and to carry out the duties of the presidency.

It is a four year office, not a kingship or an empire position.

Should we go against our centuries old trend and start passing legislation narrowing the pool from which we draw candidates in a democracy? Talk about moving backwards.

Authoritarianism is on the rise worldwide, and it will influence what we do and how we think- but that authoritarianism, is for the most part to be resisted

Sanders and Clinton were not "pushing" anything in 2016 by being of their respective ages.

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JPR Nutjobs interpret CA moving up their primary as an attack on Sanders chances in 2020 [View all] stevenleser Oct 2017 OP

The people and posts at JPR deserve the same (lack of) respect as the people and posts at FR. LonePirate Oct 2017 #1

Agreed. The only reason they deserve mention at all is that they are part of DU history AND stevenleser Oct 2017 #2

Discordant notes in the choir? guillaumeb Oct 2017 #10

What's Sanders going to do, run as a 3rd party candidate? He has zero chance running as a Dem again. brush Oct 2017 #33

I am not a Bernie fan at all, but I wouldn't say he has zero chance. But the JPR types dont stevenleser Oct 2017 #35

They can advance their self-deceptive interests all they want but the Democratic Party... brush Oct 2017 #37

I agree 100% nt stevenleser Oct 2017 #39

A question I keep asking and that Bernie-bashers keep not answering... Jim Lane Oct 2017 #46

The party should not be joined so that a little-known independent can use... brush Oct 2017 #51

You've got it wrong. Jim Lane Oct 2017 #53

"After everything I've said about the party ... NanceGreggs Oct 2017 #62

Is it possible that the DNC could bring in a rule that you OnDoutside Oct 2017 #65

I don't know if it's possible. It's clearly the wrong way to go. Jim Lane Oct 2017 #110

Your post is misleading. Leahy is a Democratic delisen Oct 2017 #71

Not misleading at all. Stating facts. Jim Lane Oct 2017 #104

Smears? MyNameGoesHere Oct 2017 #106

Yes, smears. A lie about someone you dislike is still a lie. Jim Lane Oct 2017 #114

Bernie said "I am a Democrat" during his campaign. DanTex Oct 2017 #142

Exactly. The Democrat-bashers refuse to acknowledge Bernie's own words R B Garr Oct 2017 #60

DNC bylaws should be amended so that delegates can not vote for or be claimed by someone stevenleser Oct 2017 #55

That's a terrible idea. Jim Lane Oct 2017 #109

Nope, its a great idea. You want to be our partys standard bearer? Great. stevenleser Oct 2017 #111

Online signup is not voter registration Jim Lane Oct 2017 #113

I never said it was. Its another way to join the party. Nt stevenleser Oct 2017 #115

It is not unreasonable for someone standing on behalf of the Democratic Party, to reflect the ideals OnDoutside Oct 2017 #112

I'm a Democrat and a small-d democrat, so I say leave it up to the people. Jim Lane Oct 2017 #116

I left there a long time ago... maybe it was the racist yuiyoshida Oct 2017 #105

I have more respect for the scummy posters at FR. At least they aren't pretending to be Democrats. FSogol Oct 2017 #18

Agreed Gothmog Oct 2017 #44

This message was self-deleted by its author Eliot Rosewater Oct 2017 #3

Anything good for Dems losses then off- so fuck em if they hate Dems. bettyellen Oct 2017 #4

Does this mean they support Nancy Pelosi now and dont think she is too old? Eliot Rosewater Oct 2017 #5

Pelosi is a woman JI7 Oct 2017 #7

If only that was the only reason they hate her. Eliot Rosewater Oct 2017 #8

No, it only applies to men. Lil Missy Oct 2017 #141

Oy. greatauntoftriplets Oct 2017 #6

My prediction: Bernie won't run in 2020. longship Oct 2017 #9

Sanders has no chance of winning the nomination unless JI7 Oct 2017 #11

He would still lose. He has angered many Democrats of late with some unwise comments . Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #136

The difference between them and me is MineralMan Oct 2017 #12

Me too...MM. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #137

still obssessing i see shanny Oct 2017 #13

Yep, they are still obsessing. nt stevenleser Oct 2017 #16

You haven't been here very long ... NanceGreggs Oct 2017 #21

Are we talking about G_j Oct 2017 #59

DU has always commented on FR ... NanceGreggs Oct 2017 #61

Got Your Back On This ProfessorGAC Oct 2017 #67

That is what I was saying G_j Oct 2017 #74

You've forgotten about ... NanceGreggs Oct 2017 #119

Actually, G_j Oct 2017 #125

Agree! Wellstone ruled Oct 2017 #108

no, the "jpr nutjobs" posted a video by somebody called "the humanist report" who interprets this. m-lekktor Oct 2017 #14

5 recs and two comments both agreeing. And I remember Segami who is the poster, he agrees. stevenleser Oct 2017 #15

And when he posted it before, some of us disagreed Jim Lane Oct 2017 #47

You were in a small minority then as now over there stevenleser Oct 2017 #52

I love that insidious word "normalize". Brilliant misdirection-by-framing. Jim Lane Oct 2017 #117

JPR is full of Stein and stay home kind of voters who helped elect Donald Trump. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #135

And a bunch of nut jobs agree with the poster, including some who vow not to vote for a Democrat.n/t pnwmom Oct 2017 #17

Lol. MrsCoffee Oct 2017 #45

Sorry, we can all read the JPR thread, so you can't just make up stuff about it emulatorloo Oct 2017 #107

Right but it is what they think so...how is that different. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #138

bwahahahaha WhiteTara Oct 2017 #19

They referred to Kamala Harris as a DINO. That is what they did to HRC. StevieM Oct 2017 #20

Their main issue with her is that she isnt Bernie. Anyone who looms as a challenge to stevenleser Oct 2017 #34

It's a definite lolsob that that they now want to anoint Bernie Sanders for 2020 KitSileya Oct 2017 #54

Extreme LOL. betsuni Oct 2017 #63

Why do you care what another website is doing? And why did you bring it here? irisblue Oct 2017 #22

See NanceGreggs #21 above stevenleser Oct 2017 #25

The posters at JPR ... NanceGreggs Oct 2017 #23

Very well said. I forgot about pizzagate. stevenleser Oct 2017 #26

Exactly. NanceGreggs Oct 2017 #38

"The one defining characteristic of the JPR folks ... NanceGreggs Oct 2017 #42

People there were posting stuff from Far Right websites. Willie Pep Oct 2017 #101

I remember them calling for California to be moved up?!! Tavarious Jackson Oct 2017 #24

They are all over the place because they are defined by nationalistic like or hate of people and stevenleser Oct 2017 #27

So much for "moving on" mcar Oct 2017 #28

Yup, one trick ponies. nt stevenleser Oct 2017 #30

Yes, it's a good thing everyone on DU has moved on. Jim Lane Oct 2017 #49

Attacking people for present tense actions has nothing to do with whether we have moved on stevenleser Oct 2017 #58

Exactly! mcar Oct 2017 #77

Please stop putting words in my mouth. Jim Lane Oct 2017 #118

Im using your own word. Thats where I got it from in the first place. nt stevenleser Oct 2017 #124

You appear to have your facts wrong once again. Jim Lane Oct 2017 #131

This message was self-deleted by its author left-of-center2012 Oct 2017 #29

Let's take your two incorrect contentions one at a time... stevenleser Oct 2017 #32

JPR posters are NOT Democrats ... NanceGreggs Oct 2017 #41

States have been jockeying for revelance in primaries for decades. Hoyt Oct 2017 #31

Sanders and hatred of the DNC is everything for these folks. Everything has to be about stevenleser Oct 2017 #36

the anti DNC thing was pushed by the Russians JI7 Oct 2017 #40

It's a year after the election so, why are some obsessing? lovemydogs Oct 2017 #122

I doubt the Dems will make the same mistake again. GoCubsGo Oct 2017 #43

Hope not. ucrdem Oct 2017 #48

Please see my #46 above. Jim Lane Oct 2017 #50

Post removed Post removed Oct 2017 #92

Is further stifling of debates your recipe for victory in 2020? Jim Lane Oct 2017 #121

If california had their primary in march, Jeb would've gotten the Tiggeroshii Oct 2017 #56

it was over for Jeb long before March . JI7 Oct 2017 #64

They shouldn't worry, ellie Oct 2017 #57

He's not going to run as a Democrat again. Not after trashing Dem's constantly, can't fool us again. Lil Missy Oct 2017 #66

The more I hear about near 80 somethings as candidates in 2020 DFW Oct 2017 #68

Agreed, See #'s 69 and 83 below. nt stevenleser Oct 2017 #86

So bored with the "too old" otherizing delisen Oct 2017 #69

Sorry but that is baloney stevenleser Oct 2017 #83

No we do not all agree. Anecdotal stories delisen Oct 2017 #88

Now you are just disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing and I can prove it. stevenleser Oct 2017 #89

You have no facts to back up your assertion delisen Oct 2017 #95

By all means, cite empirical studies about the ability of the elderly to work 80 hour weeks stevenleser Oct 2017 #97

Here, I will help you out, here are empirical studies that back me up stevenleser Oct 2017 #103

Average life expectancy and statistics of common health problems at certain ages are pretty solid. phleshdef Oct 2017 #126

Those stats apply to groups, not individuals delisen Oct 2017 #132

That doesn't even begin to become a refutation. phleshdef Oct 2017 #133

I agree with delisen about the case-by-case approach. Jim Lane Oct 2017 #123

I don't...you have to consider electability. And I just don't think an 80 year old candidate is Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #139

Thats a well known Russian propaganda site Renew Deal Oct 2017 #70

Whenever I see someone GaryCnf Oct 2017 #72

Almost a nice try, but you left out key points stevenleser Oct 2017 #79

Just re-read the OP GaryCnf Oct 2017 #90

I dont need to reread it, I wrote it. And I know exactly what is implied by the JPR post stevenleser Oct 2017 #91

You have a history as well GaryCnf Oct 2017 #93

LOL, JPR Folks have accused me of just about everything, so go ahead. stevenleser Oct 2017 #94

Gee, that sounds a lot like GaryCnf Oct 2017 #100

By the way GaryCnf Oct 2017 #73

There are posters on this thread advocating for Kamala Harris? OilemFirchen Oct 2017 #75

I get bupkis. OilemFirchen Oct 2017 #76

You also missed a critical point in this post as a responder pointed out stevenleser Oct 2017 #82

We can all read this thread, so you can't just make up stuff about it and get a free pass emulatorloo Oct 2017 #96

Yep. And when that persons misdirection failed, they made a not so veiled threat against me stevenleser Oct 2017 #98

Oh yeah, I definitely noticed that part. emulatorloo Oct 2017 #99

How is that a threat? GaryCnf Oct 2017 #102

K&R stonecutter357 Oct 2017 #78

Ha!! :-D NurseJackie Oct 2017 #80

The JPR nutjobs can go fuck themselves! NurseJackie Oct 2017 #81

Priceless! sheshe2 Oct 2017 #84

Indeed Cary Oct 2017 #85

The JPR nutcases are still under the illusion NastyRiffraff Oct 2017 #87

I predicted exactly that when it was announced BannonsLiver Oct 2017 #120

damn this thread sure was a hell of a way to find out that Jim has died... Ysabel Oct 2017 #127

They hate democracy, no big surprise here Blue_Tires Oct 2017 #128

Did anyone complain when it was held February, 2008? RandySF Oct 2017 #129

Why would the Democratic primary mercuryblues Oct 2017 #130

The JPR people were doomed to disappointment...because if Sen. Sanders runs, Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #134

First, Sanders has no chance of winning the 2020 election. Second, who gives a shit what JPR thinks? Lil Missy Oct 2017 #140

K&R... revmclaren Oct 2017 #143

California needs to have a voice in the nomination process Gothmog Oct 2017 #144