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2. Well Columbus defenders...

Sun Oct 8, 2017, 07:46 AM

Oct 2017

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https://www.rawstory.com/2017/10/five-scary-christopher-columbus-quotes-that-let-you-celebrate-the-holiday-the-right-way-2/

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You’ve probably heard lots of great things about Christopher Columbus and tons of inspiring quotes from him about hard work, god, the sea etc. But those don’t really capture what Columbus and the colonial expansion of which he was part were all about. So, without further ado, allow me to present these quotes that you may not have heard, from or about Christopher Columbus.

1. Conquest: the perfect chaser for expelling Muslims and Jews. You don’t have to be an academic to link Spain’s colonial expansion abroad with its inquisition at home. Columbus made the connection himself. Of course he saw this as a good thing, not a bad one– a killer combo, if you will. He wrote to King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella of Spain

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So many people here defending Columbus... [View all] ExciteBike66 Oct 2017 OP

This message was self-deleted by its author AngryAmish Oct 2017 #1

Well Columbus defenders... N_E_1 for Tennis Oct 2017 #2

De la Casas likely embellished because he preferred Drahthaardogs Oct 2017 #6

Did this guy exaggerate when he said Columbus gave him a native woman as a slave? ExciteBike66 Oct 2017 #11

What does that have to do with De Las Casas? Drahthaardogs Oct 2017 #14

Kinda what happened yuiyoshida Oct 2017 #24

As to the French and Brits, ExciteBike66 Oct 2017 #117

Uh 4th of July...all those dudes held slaves Drahthaardogs Oct 2017 #143

Not sure what this means. ExciteBike66 Oct 2017 #156

You obviously don't know de las Casas. L. Coyote Oct 2017 #37

De Las Casas had an agenda and most historians Drahthaardogs Oct 2017 #95

Probably? Seriously, you are going to argue probably? L. Coyote Oct 2017 #96

Uh no, he promoted enslaving Africans in lieu of Drahthaardogs Oct 2017 #98

Says you. But you can't document that. Read what he wrote. He opposed slavery. L. Coyote Oct 2017 #108

Says history.... Drahthaardogs Oct 2017 #129

The Russians are everywhere... Vinnie From Indy Oct 2017 #3

I suppose the Russians were also behind the desire to remove Confederate statues? nt ExciteBike66 Oct 2017 #5

Russians played both sides on #BLM sharedvalues Oct 2017 #32

So were the Russians running the effort, or were they bit players. ExciteBike66 Oct 2017 #118

Russia seeded issues into public debate sharedvalues Oct 2017 #136

So now I want you to clarify something. ExciteBike66 Oct 2017 #154

But, whatabout the racism in the white house? sharedvalues Oct 2017 #178

Hey, at least you are conceding that I am not a Russian agent! It's a start! ExciteBike66 Oct 2017 #181

TrumpRussia, TrumpRacism are both far more important. We have limited resources. sharedvalues Oct 2017 #182

That's where you are wrong. ExciteBike66 Oct 2017 #183

TrumpRussia and GOP racism now. sharedvalues Oct 2017 #184

Oh, come on. Orrex Oct 2017 #4

Russia propaganda TV in America - RT - has employees fleeing sharedvalues Oct 2017 #33

Wait. What? Orrex Oct 2017 #34

Russia, to divide Americans, uses RT and social media sharedvalues Oct 2017 #35

Right, but what does that have to do with what I posted? Orrex Oct 2017 #39

I'll give you three guesses.... jcmaine72 Oct 2017 #75

Oh. Russia created the story that Columbus Day is a real holiday. Orrex Oct 2017 #76

No. You missed my point. jcmaine72 Oct 2017 #79

Well, if it makes you feel any better, we're on the same page about that. Orrex Oct 2017 #102

It was 1492. It was a different world back then. History is was history is. Trust Buster Oct 2017 #7

The 1860s were a different time too. ExciteBike66 Oct 2017 #9

We committed massacres in Korea and Viet Nam in the 1950s and the 1960s based on the Trust Buster Oct 2017 #15

More than a "fool's errand," most of this is a wired-in hostility toward one's own Hortensis Oct 2017 #61

Bingo. Give this poster a cigar. Trust Buster Oct 2017 #71

TOTALLY on point! nt Raine Oct 2017 #113

Yes, but we also don't have a "Westmoreland Day" nt ExciteBike66 Oct 2017 #119

Westmoreland was a general in the military fighting in a foreign war 50 years ago. Trust Buster Oct 2017 #138

I'm interested to find out what you think "myopic" means. ExciteBike66 Oct 2017 #139

For better or for worse, the guy is credited with discovering america. I doubt that will change. Trust Buster Oct 2017 #141

I am not trying to change that, so much as trying to make sure we are not honoring the man ExciteBike66 Oct 2017 #155

There is no "Italian-American Day." WinkyDink Oct 2017 #83

History is now loyalsister Oct 2017 #150

No one here is defending Columbus oberliner Oct 2017 #8

If you are not interested in changing the name, then you are implicitly defending the man. ExciteBike66 Oct 2017 #10

That's your formulation oberliner Oct 2017 #12

You agree that naming a town after a man confers an honor, ExciteBike66 Oct 2017 #13

How far do you want to take this? Columbia is the poetic name for America - you think Midwestern Democrat Oct 2017 #110

South Park suggested British Columbia drop "Columbia" EllieBC Oct 2017 #111

How far do you? We are removing Confederate monuments, ExciteBike66 Oct 2017 #120

Really? Did you happen to see the thread I created on this topic? jcmaine72 Oct 2017 #77

Sure about that? Bradshaw3 Oct 2017 #106

I am not defending columbus tymorial Oct 2017 #16

The absurdity of applying 21st century value to the 15th century comradebillyboy Oct 2017 #40

Exactly yet sadly the use has become fashionable and expected. tymorial Oct 2017 #45

It's so much easier to jerk one's knee than it is to think. nocalflea Oct 2017 #57

Ahh yes, feelings. tymorial Oct 2017 #67

"The Age of Reason" - bah, who needs it. nocalflea Oct 2017 #68

Christopher Columbus was a slaver, ExciteBike66 Oct 2017 #121

America wiped out the Native Americans, yet we still celebrate this country. Correct? n/t USALiberal Oct 2017 #17

How Dare You! Drahthaardogs Oct 2017 #97

Great point! n/t USALiberal Oct 2017 #148

The Confederates held slaves, and we are removing their monuments. ExciteBike66 Oct 2017 #122

We committed atrocities Polly Hennessey Oct 2017 #18

Amerigo Vespucci Dyedinthewoolliberal Oct 2017 #22

Thanks, dyedinthewoolliberal. Polly Hennessey Oct 2017 #63

Thanks, dyedinthewoolliberal. Polly Hennessey Oct 2017 #64

No one cares about Columbus day standingtall Oct 2017 #19

Echoing talking points of Russia and the GOP sharedvalues Oct 2017 #29

"Why do we think Columbus is suddenly such a hot topic?" Because Columbus Day is tomorrow! Towlie Oct 2017 #43

Which nobody remembers until they are reminded standingtall Oct 2017 #47

...... octoberlib Oct 2017 #86

Except my freaking credit union, who won't process payments that day. Coventina Oct 2017 #46

Columbus was a murder rockfordfile Oct 2017 #20

GOP (and Russia) talking point sharedvalues Oct 2017 #36

Talking point or not, it is true. pangaia Oct 2017 #65

It helps divide Dems. So GOP and Russia like it when we argue sharedvalues Oct 2017 #84

Well, then can we argue about..... beer brands? pangaia Oct 2017 #87

Columbus doesn't divide Dems. Everybody knows he was a racist POS, as were a lot of octoberlib Oct 2017 #88

I'm not a Columbus defender and am glad we (as a nation) are moving away from Columbus Day. Dyedinthewoolliberal Oct 2017 #21

spreading the gospel and superiority of christians. worked at the time nt msongs Oct 2017 #23

They're still at it ! YOHABLO Oct 2017 #69

This message was self-deleted by its author tenderfoot Oct 2017 #25

Its a good thing Columbus Didn't come to Hawaii yuiyoshida Oct 2017 #26

Oh look, another thing to be outraged over Alea Oct 2017 #27

Ancestors...wha...? Iggo Oct 2017 #49

Good, because I don't have any connection to columbus Alea Oct 2017 #56

Do you care about the people who do care about it? Because we're on your side, right? Iggo Oct 2017 #60

Yeah you do gabeana Oct 2017 #100

Both sides of my family were here before columbus n/t Alea Oct 2017 #112

Exactly true Bettie Oct 2017 #92

Russians want to divide America and democrats sharedvalues Oct 2017 #28

Russia has nothing to do with this. It's about the false narrative they've been brain washing YOHABLO Oct 2017 #70

Russia is on social media now backing this talking point. sharedvalues Oct 2017 #85

Yesterday: anti-Putin protests all over Russia sharedvalues Oct 2017 #30

Follow Bill Browser: Magnitsky act, Russia's attacks on the west sharedvalues Oct 2017 #31

Columbus was a damn dirty liar,mass murder and rapist HipChick Oct 2017 #38

Any Columbus statues to tear down? ileus Oct 2017 #41

one in San Francisco yuiyoshida Oct 2017 #42

Eve ate an apple. Why are you not having a fit over that? sarah FAILIN Oct 2017 #44

Persephone ate six pomegranate seeds ProudLib72 Oct 2017 #48

THIS IS TRUE!! sarah FAILIN Oct 2017 #50

Why are we removing statues of Robert E. Lee? ExciteBike66 Oct 2017 #123

I believe you have very few posts sarah FAILIN Oct 2017 #151

Oh, oh I get it. My post count is lower than yours so I need not have an opinion! ExciteBike66 Oct 2017 #159

The difference is, she has been here since 2008. She has a rapport. n/t musicblind Oct 2017 #165

Are you interested in making an argument? ExciteBike66 Oct 2017 #166

You may have more posts than me by next week at the rate you're going sarah FAILIN Oct 2017 #179

Once again, how does that mean my opinion matters less? ExciteBike66 Oct 2017 #180

I'm having a bout Turbineguy Oct 2017 #51

The logical conclusion for opponents would be Sneederbunk Oct 2017 #52

If it hadn't been Columbus, then who? Henry the Navigator? Captain Cook? And if so, would any demosincebirth Oct 2017 #53

I defend Columbus, I get day off with pay because of him. demosincebirth Oct 2017 #54

Hey, you got yours! Iggo Oct 2017 #55

lmao romanic Oct 2017 #73

I don't give a single shit about Columbus or his Day melman Oct 2017 #58

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2017 #59

Oh? tenderfoot Oct 2017 #62

Look Columbus never got to America period, Historic NY Oct 2017 #66

We haven't yet seen the "CC discovered America" guy yet. longship Oct 2017 #72

Careful or you'll be accused of being a Russian spy for speaking the truth about Columbus jcmaine72 Oct 2017 #74

applying moral standards 500 years later is pretty disingenuous beachbum bob Oct 2017 #78

Then why not leave all those statues to Jeff Davis alone, eh? nt ExciteBike66 Oct 2017 #124

When you say "So many people here defending Columbus" left-of-center2012 Oct 2017 #80

I don't know about many Bradshaw3 Oct 2017 #105

1. Dresden. Hiroshima/Nagasaki. Vietnam. Iraq. 2. So basically you're saying that anywhere one human WinkyDink Oct 2017 #81

I always find it kind of bizarre to see historical figures judged by values that were not held milestogo Oct 2017 #82

I agree, I suppose Aristotle & Plato get the ax next. EX500rider Oct 2017 #89

Confederates fought for slavery and we want to get rid of their statues, ExciteBike66 Oct 2017 #126

There are many great historical figures who had slaves milestogo Oct 2017 #130

Do any of them have a national holiday named for them? nt ExciteBike66 Oct 2017 #131

4th of July Drahthaardogs Oct 2017 #149

Wait, there was a signor named "4th of July"? ExciteBike66 Oct 2017 #153

Washington's Birthday Drahthaardogs Oct 2017 #168

Wait, there was a signor named "President"? ExciteBike66 Oct 2017 #169

Nope. Go to OPM and look up Federal Holidays Drahthaardogs Oct 2017 #170

Are you kidding me? ExciteBike66 Oct 2017 #173

Well, I for one would rather find a less controversial name Drahthaardogs Oct 2017 #174

I am in agreement with you. ExciteBike66 Oct 2017 #175

Most people here don't even know WHY it's a federal holiday Drahthaardogs Oct 2017 #176

To be fair, it is easy to assume considering it is named after the guy. ExciteBike66 Oct 2017 #177

I have yet to see anyone Defend CC on DU. GulfCoast66 Oct 2017 #90

I'm not defending but I did stop giving any fucks around 1572 cbdo2007 Oct 2017 #91

It makes no difference what he "discovered" ... what does matter is what he did and was... Ferrets are Cool Oct 2017 #93

I'm not "defending Columbus." I'm defending our right to not have really stupid fights ... Hekate Oct 2017 #94

Yes, exactly! nt Raine Oct 2017 #104

Go ahead and defend a holiday for the guy who took slaves. ExciteBike66 Oct 2017 #127

That's most of human history and all cultures at one time or another. There is no land... Hekate Oct 2017 #146

I agree about history, ExciteBike66 Oct 2017 #158

+1. nt tblue37 Oct 2017 #152

Adam Ruins Everything - Christopher Columbus Was a Murderous Moron clutterbox1830 Oct 2017 #99

I don't care. Give me my day off back!! :P RandySF Oct 2017 #101

whatever... Raine Oct 2017 #103

How many righteous people who get tomorrow off as a Holiday will be taking it? brooklynite Oct 2017 #107

My office is closed, and our clients are also closed. ExciteBike66 Oct 2017 #128

These days i don't have any outrage left for this annual battle nini Oct 2017 #109

If we're going to start being scrupulously honest about our history, let's work backwards WinkyDink Oct 2017 #114

I used to laugh about that in grade school, 60 years ago......... raven mad Oct 2017 #115

I deal with it by spending the day honoring Peter Falk. Buns_of_Fire Oct 2017 #116

This message was self-deleted by its author JonLP24 Oct 2017 #125

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2017 #132

Time for some music! johnp3907 Oct 2017 #133

Finally someone is tackling this urgent issue. bluepen Oct 2017 #134

Trump said almost the same thing about Confederate statues... ExciteBike66 Oct 2017 #140

So you think there is no more pressing issue. bluepen Oct 2017 #144

This is a right-wing argument that you are making. ExciteBike66 Oct 2017 #157

I figured you wouldnt address what I just said. bluepen Oct 2017 #162

Your point was that there are other more important issues, and I agree. ExciteBike66 Oct 2017 #163

So we agree, at least on the first point you noted. Sort of. bluepen Oct 2017 #164

You are trying to be rude. ExciteBike66 Oct 2017 #167

We agree again. Trump is a problem; guns are a problem. bluepen Oct 2017 #171

You might as well criticize DU posters for commenting about sports. ExciteBike66 Oct 2017 #172

Ha! looks like the biggest defense against your OP is to call you a Russian and the best argument lunasun Oct 2017 #135

It is disgusting -- it is EXACTLY like having a Happy Hitler Day in Germany obamanut2012 Oct 2017 #137

Every holiday, the righteous and pure tell me why not to engage or solemnize for my own good. LanternWaste Oct 2017 #142

You are speaking of your individual experience of the holiday, which is fine. ExciteBike66 Oct 2017 #161

Good summary: Happy Bartolome day sharedvalues Oct 2017 #145

So should we eliminate Independence Day? Willie Pep Oct 2017 #147

Where did the bad "Independence" touch you? ExciteBike66 Oct 2017 #160