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In reply to the discussion: The Militia Acts of 1792 and 1795 clarified what the 2nd Amendment means. [View all]HAB911
(10,581 posts)53. How is Meatloaf's 'I'd Do Anything for Love' like the 2nd Amendment?
(But I won't do that)
So what is that? Its the line before every chorus, explained Loaf. Theres nine of them, I think.
The problem lies because Jimmy likes to write, so you forget what the line was before you get to I wont do that.'
(Some of the things the song says he wont do: forget the way you feel right now; forgive himself if you dont go all the way tonight; do it better than he does it with you, so long; and stop dreaming of you every night of his life.)
On the other hand.....................
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
What happened to the first part?!
The 2nd amendment is one of, if not the most, debated Amendments in the United States Constitution. Most noteworthy, until the late 1960s, restrictions on the 2nd Amendment were not questioned. The NRA itself, in the early 20th Century, not only favored restrictions they publicly announced them. The completely changed their tune in the late 1960s.
The Amendment has actually been changed in the past 20 years. Those that fully support the Amendment have erased the first part from the collective memory.
Think about it, when you hear someone (that fully supports this right) quote the Amendment, they only include the right of the people to keep and bear Arms Every so often they will throw in the last part about infringed when they are trying to make a point. They rarely, if ever, mention the very first part that includes the very important phrase A well regulated Militia. They do this for a very good reason. It completely destroys their argument that every man and woman in the United States has a right to own a gun.
The simple reason for this is because the 2nd Amendment does not actually give citizens a right to bear arms. The 2nd Amendment guarantees a citizen the right to bear arms if they serve in a militia. It is right there in the Amendment.
Take a look at the Bill of Rights for a moment. One theme that should pop out to you is that the language in the Bill of Rights and the rest of the Amendments is not vague. To put it another way the wording is not confusing. Every part of the Amendments is laid out in such a way that is easy to understand. Except, somehow, the 2nd Amendment.
This is the main reason why I do not believe that the Amendment is left vague or confusing. It is really simple and straightforward.
Let me re-arrange the wording to help out:
The right of the people to keep and bear arms for a well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, shall not be infringed.
Does it make more sense now? Despite the NRAs attempts, the two sections of the Amendment are not meant to be separated, 'cause linguistics. If the Founders had wanted the two sections to work independently of each other they would have included a very important word. And. Take a look.
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, AND, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
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The Militia Acts of 1792 and 1795 clarified what the 2nd Amendment means. [View all]
brush
Oct 2017
OP
So you think things are just fine? The next mass shooting will happen with things the way they are.
brush
Oct 2017
#10
Well you see, that is an entirely different point than the one we were just discussing.
jmg257
Oct 2017
#11
Certainly a related point. The point being that the 2nd Amendment was not meant to be...
brush
Oct 2017
#13
Well, lets not call it a right, but a power...its articulated well in Article 1...
jmg257
Oct 2017
#32
10 U.S. Code Section 246 is the statute today. "Unorganized militia" covers a lot of people by law
Pope George Ringo II
Oct 2017
#5
Well, the "organized militia" brings us back to the National Guard
Pope George Ringo II
Oct 2017
#59
While I do not object to common sense gun laws to try and prevent things like the las vegas shooting
cstanleytech
Oct 2017
#14
All that was superceded by the Act of 1903 though that created the National Guard.
brush
Oct 2017
#25
So you're saying that since it's obsoleted, we need to disregard the clause about...
brush
Oct 2017
#33
I'm completely on board with the notion that there's room for further regulation of firearms
ClarendonDem
Oct 2017
#72
SCOTUS should have codified registration, insurance, background checks, quantity limitations...
brush
Oct 2017
#27
So, if I read you guys right that have thoroughly researched this issue...
KY_EnviroGuy
Oct 2017
#39
I've often thought that SCOTUS avoids Second Amendment cases because of Miller
Pope George Ringo II
Oct 2017
#60
Agreed - Miller died, so no evidence was presented. But imagine if he had a BAR? Would autos still
jmg257
Oct 2017
#62
Like someone needs to own 40-some, unregistered guns. We get Las Vegas, Orlando...
brush
Oct 2017
#58
Ridiculous bit of broad brushing. Banks couldn't stay in business if there was no law against...
brush
Oct 2017
#77
You are qualifying the language in a way the the drafters of the 2d Amendment did not
ClarendonDem
Oct 2017
#55
"the 2nd Amendment does not actually give citizens a right to bear arms." Well - you got that right
jmg257
Oct 2017
#56
When and where has militia membership as prerequisite for the private ownership of firearms
Marengo
Oct 2017
#63
When and where has militia membership as a prerequisite for the private ownership of firearms by
Marengo
Oct 2017
#61
When and where has militia membership as a prerequisite for the private ownership of firearms by
Marengo
Oct 2017
#84
You would think but guns have become sacred totems to fetishers of a certain demographic segment...
brush
Oct 2017
#83
2A is for self-defense. It is for militias, as Federalist 29 and even anti-federalists discuss.
TheBlackAdder
Oct 2017
#87