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18. One of the victims, a local woman from Tewksbury, MA, was a Jehovah's Witness.

Sun Oct 8, 2017, 12:46 PM

Oct 2017

They do not use the cross in their worship as they believe Jesus died on a simple stake, among other reasons. From their website:

"Many people view the cross as the universal symbol of Christianity. Although Jehovah’s Witnesses are Christians, we do not use the cross in our worship. Why not?

One reason is that the Bible indicates that Jesus did not die on a cross but rather on a simple stake. Moreover, the Bible strongly warns Christians to “flee from idolatry,” which would mean not using the cross in worship.—1 Corinthians 10:14; 1 John 5:21.

Significantly, Jesus said: “By this all will know that you are my disciples, if you have love among yourselves.” (John 13:34, 35) Jesus thereby indicated that self-sacrificing love—not the cross or any other image—would identify his true followers."

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a little factoid. the crosses in lv [View all] mopinko Oct 2017 OP

I was wondering about them. femmocrat Oct 2017 #1

It's the standard offensive assumption DavidDvorkin Oct 2017 #2

It's the giver's offering, not an assumption about the "recipient." WinkyDink Oct 2017 #3

There is an implication and an advertising opportunity in the givers "offering" Merlot Oct 2017 #4

Had I been a victim, such an offering would be a direct insult to me and to my family Orrex Oct 2017 #5

And I thought I was cynical! Whew! I'm a lapsed Catholic, but if a Jewish person wants to pray for WinkyDink Oct 2017 #10

Anyone can pray for whoever they want. But keep me out of it. Orrex Oct 2017 #13

+1 DLevine Oct 2017 #15

This message was self-deleted by its author Weekend Warrior Oct 2017 #28

"..she simply can't comprehend how someone could live that way without being driven by fear.." chowder66 Oct 2017 #41

One of the victims, a local woman from Tewksbury, MA, was a Jehovah's Witness. smirkymonkey Oct 2017 #18

How did he get holy hands from a simple stake? Did they use it length wise? snooper2 Oct 2017 #88

Maybe hands straight overhead? Orrex Oct 2017 #89

Or maybe it was like roast a pig style? One stick through both feet then through both hands snooper2 Oct 2017 #90

i dont think he means that at all. mopinko Oct 2017 #19

I expect that he does not, but he should be conscious of his choice of imagery Orrex Oct 2017 #21

aside from a tombstone, what other symbols are there? mopinko Oct 2017 #22

You've got to be kidding. Orrex Oct 2017 #24

the only one of your suggestions that is unambiguous, imho mopinko Oct 2017 #26

It would seem that any countable stand-in would suffice Orrex Oct 2017 #27

it has been used effectively. mopinko Oct 2017 #29

That was the one I was thinking of. Orrex Oct 2017 #30

How does a cross represent a dead person? Mariana Oct 2017 #44

No! No! No! Haven't you been reading? Orrex Oct 2017 #67

Here lunasun Oct 2017 #77

Agree rusty fender Oct 2017 #38

Fuck that. Iggo Oct 2017 #64

If it is the same person I think he was asked to remove these some place in Chicago lunasun Oct 2017 #76

It's blind, narrow-minded, and deeply offensive. DavidDvorkin Oct 2017 #48

Like a lot of the posts in this thread. nt Hekate Oct 2017 #61

Especially those petty, passive-aggressive ones Orrex Oct 2017 #69

BINGO! raven mad Oct 2017 #74

I agree. The crosses don't actually carry any message other than to promote Christianity. Towlie Oct 2017 #7

It is "supposed to" (aka, does) represent sacrifice. Do you mock yarmulkes, also? You know, those WinkyDink Oct 2017 #11

If it makes you feel any better, all religions are equally ridiculous to me. Orrex Oct 2017 #14

Right, all "equally worthless", to quote Sgt. Hartman. But the subject here is Christian crosses. Towlie Oct 2017 #17

Fine. IDC. I simply have my doubts as to whether you would also, here, in print, mock any other WinkyDink Oct 2017 #42

Your doubt is irrelevant, and frankly my response is fitted to the situation Orrex Oct 2017 #70

A Heart , small column for each , a flower (in this case forming a field ) , bird , butterfly lunasun Oct 2017 #79

The cross is supposed to represent sacrifice? Mariana Oct 2017 #45

I can appreciate the iconography NotASurfer Oct 2017 #6

That's fine, but the first priority must be to respect the victims and the survivors Orrex Oct 2017 #8

Understood n/t NotASurfer Oct 2017 #9

And YOU would know "the needs of the victims and the survivors" how, exactly? WinkyDink Oct 2017 #12

I don't, and neither do you, and neither does the proselytizer in the OP. That's the point. Orrex Oct 2017 #16

you are assuming. i dont think he is doing this out of christianity. mopinko Oct 2017 #20

He's using unambiguously Christian iconography Orrex Oct 2017 #23

it is ambiguous. as you can see from this thread. mopinko Oct 2017 #34

Right. Try this: Orrex Oct 2017 #36

The cross guy is a right wing Christian. DLevine Oct 2017 #46

Oh, wait a minute! Orrex Oct 2017 #49

You assume the victims and survivors share your opinion about the topic. WinkyDink Oct 2017 #43

That's twice you've tried to hang that lie on me Orrex Oct 2017 #50

Not the first time . His 501c charity is aware and claims everyone accepts the crosses lunasun Oct 2017 #80

Well, how about that! Orrex Oct 2017 #82

Reel this lunasun Oct 2017 #85

Golly! What a swell fella! Orrex Oct 2017 #86

Traditionally, I don't think most people have a problem with it Alea Oct 2017 #25

To all that want to make this thread about YOUR religious beliefs or lack thereof. democratisphere Oct 2017 #31

Of course it's not about me, but it's not about the victims, either. Orrex Oct 2017 #33

It appears to be all about your anti-Christian position; your intolerance of Christianity and it's democratisphere Oct 2017 #37

Well, think it through: Orrex Oct 2017 #39

Apparently no good deed goes unpunished at DU. This is how Arlington West was begun, btw... Hekate Oct 2017 #32

no kidding. mopinko Oct 2017 #35

Show me the good deed Orrex Oct 2017 #51

he has changed crosses when he found out people had other religions. mopinko Oct 2017 #53

I suppose that that's some passable damage control Orrex Oct 2017 #56

hey, i had no idea it was gonna be a shit storm. mopinko Oct 2017 #59

Mopinko, there are days when this place makes me sick. This is one of them. Hekate Oct 2017 #62

it's no wonder the trolls love it here. mopinko Oct 2017 #63

You still haven't shown the good deed Orrex Oct 2017 #68

from the pics i have seen of how the crosses grew into memorials, mopinko Oct 2017 #81

Accusing someone of "outrage" is an attempt at deflection Orrex Oct 2017 #83

Boo fucking hoo. Orrex Oct 2017 #65

Well, if you only wanted feel-good responses, you should have mentioned that in the OP Orrex Oct 2017 #71

All you want to do is fight. Nothing anyone has said in this thread has made a difference to that. Hekate Oct 2017 #60

I'm sure that it's easier for you to imagine it that way Orrex Oct 2017 #66

To answer your question, his religious orientation is Christian. DLevine Oct 2017 #40

my niece's comment mopinko Oct 2017 #47

Might I suggest a rose as something totally neutral for the next staging. Lars39 Oct 2017 #54

Probably more difficult to cut but certainly more appropriate. mnhtnbb Oct 2017 #57

That's excellent Orrex Oct 2017 #58

Weird hobby, but I appreciate the gesture Nevernose Oct 2017 #52

In a photo I saw, there was a large white Star of David marybourg Oct 2017 #55

Thats pretty cool. ismnotwasm Oct 2017 #72

Pretty awesome guy. raven mad Oct 2017 #73

Those damnably benign and inconsequential acts LanternWaste Oct 2017 #75

Of course, this deliberate act of proselytizing is neither benign nor inconsequential Orrex Oct 2017 #87

My thought greymattermom Oct 2017 #78

Cross displays are about Christianity. Mariana Oct 2017 #84