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In reply to the discussion: JPR Nutjobs interpret CA moving up their primary as an attack on Sanders chances in 2020 [View all]Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)121. Is further stifling of debates your recipe for victory in 2020?
The three posts you cite are venting spleen against Bernie Sanders but don't come close to answering my question.
You do essay an answer here:
Do you actually believe they're going to let him participate in the 2020 primary debates again, complete with all media attention that comes to participants, should he once again temporarily anoint himself a "Democrat"?
As I've previously noted, he didn't "temporarily anoint himself a 'Democrat'" -- that's another falsehood by the Bernie-bashers. But let's let that pass and turn to the substance.
Suppose Bernie decides to run in the 2020 primary and the DNC goes full-out authoritarian in its exclusionary rule. Before 2016 there was no exclusionary rule at all. The innovation in the 2016 cycle was that the DNC-sanctioned debates would exclude any candidate who dared to participate in a debate that didn't meet with approval from On High. The result -- fewer debates, starting later in the cycle -- was criticized by many people. In particular, because Clinton started with a big advantage in support and name recognition, and because debates are generally recognized as being more likely to help the trailing candidate(s), the exclusionary rule, imposed by a former Clinton campaign chair, was criticized as showing favoritism to Clinton. (Yes, I know some people rejected that criticism and said that curbing debates was objectively good. What's undeniable is that not everyone shared that view and that the new rule played a role in alienating people who supported O'Malley or Sanders.)
Now let's consider a hypothetical Sanders 2020 candidacy with the DNC having adopted your suggestion and barred him from the debates entirely. What would be the effect on the primaries, on the party's image with independents, and on Bernie's supporters? Above all, what would be the effect on the prospects for the party's eventual nominee in the general election?
I think it self-evident that the effect would be disastrous.
Obama beat McCain by 10 million votes. Obama beat Romney by 6 million votes. Clinton beat Trump by 3 million votes. Should the Democratic Party enter the next election by telling Bernie's 13 million voters that their candidate won't even be allowed to participate in the nomination process? Sorry, but I don't see spotting the Republicans 13 million votes (or a big chunk thereof) as a winning strategy.
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JPR Nutjobs interpret CA moving up their primary as an attack on Sanders chances in 2020 [View all]
stevenleser
Oct 2017
OP
The people and posts at JPR deserve the same (lack of) respect as the people and posts at FR.
LonePirate
Oct 2017
#1
Agreed. The only reason they deserve mention at all is that they are part of DU history AND
stevenleser
Oct 2017
#2
What's Sanders going to do, run as a 3rd party candidate? He has zero chance running as a Dem again.
brush
Oct 2017
#33
I am not a Bernie fan at all, but I wouldn't say he has zero chance. But the JPR types dont
stevenleser
Oct 2017
#35
They can advance their self-deceptive interests all they want but the Democratic Party...
brush
Oct 2017
#37
DNC bylaws should be amended so that delegates can not vote for or be claimed by someone
stevenleser
Oct 2017
#55
It is not unreasonable for someone standing on behalf of the Democratic Party, to reflect the ideals
OnDoutside
Oct 2017
#112
I have more respect for the scummy posters at FR. At least they aren't pretending to be Democrats.
FSogol
Oct 2017
#18
Does this mean they support Nancy Pelosi now and dont think she is too old?
Eliot Rosewater
Oct 2017
#5
He would still lose. He has angered many Democrats of late with some unwise comments .
Demsrule86
Oct 2017
#136
no, the "jpr nutjobs" posted a video by somebody called "the humanist report" who interprets this.
m-lekktor
Oct 2017
#14
5 recs and two comments both agreeing. And I remember Segami who is the poster, he agrees.
stevenleser
Oct 2017
#15
JPR is full of Stein and stay home kind of voters who helped elect Donald Trump.
Demsrule86
Oct 2017
#135
And a bunch of nut jobs agree with the poster, including some who vow not to vote for a Democrat.n/t
pnwmom
Oct 2017
#17
Sorry, we can all read the JPR thread, so you can't just make up stuff about it
emulatorloo
Oct 2017
#107
Their main issue with her is that she isnt Bernie. Anyone who looms as a challenge to
stevenleser
Oct 2017
#34
It's a definite lolsob that that they now want to anoint Bernie Sanders for 2020
KitSileya
Oct 2017
#54
They are all over the place because they are defined by nationalistic like or hate of people and
stevenleser
Oct 2017
#27
Attacking people for present tense actions has nothing to do with whether we have moved on
stevenleser
Oct 2017
#58
Sanders and hatred of the DNC is everything for these folks. Everything has to be about
stevenleser
Oct 2017
#36
He's not going to run as a Democrat again. Not after trashing Dem's constantly, can't fool us again.
Lil Missy
Oct 2017
#66
Now you are just disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing and I can prove it.
stevenleser
Oct 2017
#89
By all means, cite empirical studies about the ability of the elderly to work 80 hour weeks
stevenleser
Oct 2017
#97
Average life expectancy and statistics of common health problems at certain ages are pretty solid.
phleshdef
Oct 2017
#126
I don't...you have to consider electability. And I just don't think an 80 year old candidate is
Demsrule86
Oct 2017
#139
I dont need to reread it, I wrote it. And I know exactly what is implied by the JPR post
stevenleser
Oct 2017
#91
We can all read this thread, so you can't just make up stuff about it and get a free pass
emulatorloo
Oct 2017
#96
Yep. And when that persons misdirection failed, they made a not so veiled threat against me
stevenleser
Oct 2017
#98
The JPR people were doomed to disappointment...because if Sen. Sanders runs,
Demsrule86
Oct 2017
#134