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cthulu2016

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44. We do not disagree on that
Wed Jul 18, 2012, 12:18 PM
Jul 2012

If we had not made the political decision to go to the moon we would not have created the new context of all that research and certain things may not have been invented.

Before the telegraph nobody asked themselves whether those same wires could carry a voice, and so on.

My problem with the water engine idea is that we are to presume that it was invented in the context of 1930s, or 1950s, or 1970s (or whatever the story is) theory and technology, and without any billion dollar expenditures to invent it.

If everything was in place, culturally, for for one guy in his garage to make a water engine fifty years ago then it would have been invented many times since then.

The claim that is was invented, for real, speaks to the likelihood of it being reinvented. Not just that it was possible, but that it was possible for someone then, without many resources, etc..

But I agree that there are all sorts of things that are possible that are not invented, for one reason or another.

If someone says, "A car can run on water, but nobody has figured out how to do it," that would be very unlikely, but would not have the logical defects of claiming that somebody working alone many years ago did, in fact, make a water engine in the context of the technology of his era, and that nobody else ever did.

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The Water Engine [View all] cthulu2016 Jul 2012 OP
The entire water engine story... jberryhill Jul 2012 #1
aarrrrrrrrrrrggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!! HereSince1628 Jul 2012 #6
The problem with the air engine is it runs on carbon monoxide extracted from the air. rug Jul 2012 #13
Actually, the air engine I've seen online runs on compressed air jmowreader Jul 2012 #20
Not as much as it takes to compress water jberryhill Jul 2012 #27
All you have to do is leave a pail out in winter. rug Jul 2012 #30
It expands down to 4 Celsius jberryhill Jul 2012 #32
First you have to convert it to a gas 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #45
Thomas Newcomen, is that you? jberryhill Jul 2012 #47
But... Xyzse Jul 2012 #42
And it's all a conspiracy against the Perpetual Motion Machine. trof Jul 2012 #50
Most "believers" do not think too deeply. Many people do not have critical thinking skills. n-t Logical Jul 2012 #2
Though this is different.... it is almost the same. 2on2u Jul 2012 #3
Blacklight Power is... amazing jberryhill Jul 2012 #7
There's his profit model right there. Zalatix Jul 2012 #14
This truly is amazing. 2on2u Jul 2012 #29
Not one watt-hour of energy produced jberryhill Jul 2012 #31
Not one street light until Edison figgered it out.... right? n/t 2on2u Jul 2012 #48
Not at all comparable jberryhill Jul 2012 #49
A few observations cthulu2016 Jul 2012 #51
DUgle "Blacklight Power" in the E&E and Science forums ... eppur_se_muova Jul 2012 #53
Very well said. JFN1 Jul 2012 #4
The things that get "lost" are typically through obsolescence jberryhill Jul 2012 #10
A remarkable method that doesn't occur to us... cthulu2016 Jul 2012 #19
And some things get lost to history with good reason. Early Color TV. wandy Jul 2012 #52
Forget the water engine hooey edhopper Jul 2012 #5
Substitute "Cure for 'any disease'" GoneOffShore Jul 2012 #8
Yes, but with a few wrinkles cthulu2016 Jul 2012 #21
Arthur Eddington, astronomer, spoke about this. longship Jul 2012 #9
and so it goes. GeorgeGist Jul 2012 #11
So let's talk about money and imagination jberryhill Jul 2012 #12
I'm not sure that's all true Shankapotomus Jul 2012 #15
Read "Guns, Germs and Steel" progressoid Jul 2012 #17
Been on my reading list forever Shankapotomus Jul 2012 #24
"Connections" is another classic British series jberryhill Jul 2012 #28
I considered getting into this in the OP cthulu2016 Jul 2012 #22
And it follows then Shankapotomus Jul 2012 #25
We do not disagree on that cthulu2016 Jul 2012 #44
What you really need as a requisite to the development of guns is cowardice 1-Old-Man Jul 2012 #34
Most idiotic post of the day...possibly the week. Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #41
One of the postulates in GG&S.... Wounded Bear Jul 2012 #40
"Third, a conspiracy to suppress knowledge of something everyone in the world wants is an absurdity" lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #16
That proves the point. cthulu2016 Jul 2012 #23
The knowledge may not be suppressed, but the application certainly is. nt lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #35
Bullshit jberryhill Jul 2012 #36
"Bullshit" suggests that you have some reason to disbelieve what I said. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #37
You aren't gettting the point jberryhill Jul 2012 #38
That's not a point of anything in the op. It's not germane at all. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #39
There is no US patent issued in 1990 which is in force today jberryhill Jul 2012 #43
I'm not saying is was aliens... progressoid Jul 2012 #18
Also this Shankapotomus Jul 2012 #26
DU rec... SidDithers Jul 2012 #33
I imagine it's the same kind of mentality that supports homeopathy 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #46
Short version: water is the ASH/EXHAUST produced by burning fuel. eppur_se_muova Jul 2012 #54
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