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Ken Burch

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65. Well yeah...but we don't have to settle for just getting Trump out.

Tue Oct 10, 2017, 12:51 AM

Oct 2017

It would not be worth doing that if we were to agree to continuing any significant number of his policies, or to being just as tightfisted on social spending and on protections for workers against bosses.

Macron kept Le Pen out. For that, he gets credit. But all of the things you liked about France were won by the struggles of working people in the past. He's trying to gut unions(that's what "labor market flexibility" means-the right to screw the workers. It has no positive or progressive meaning). No one but the wealthy can ever benefit from Macron's proposals to make it easier to fire people, or kill the 35-hour week, or any of the other economic royalist proposals he brought in.

The people of France soured on him because all his proposals can do is harm them and massively increase economic inequality. He has no progressive policies on anything.

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Yes, it will be necessary to unify behind one candidate to beat Trump...but it's not just that... [View all] Ken Burch Oct 2017 OP

Sadly, I don't think that will happen Tavarious Jackson Oct 2017 #1

That's the ticket... tonedevil Oct 2017 #3

My Response Was To The OP Me. Oct 2017 #7

. Weekend Warrior Oct 2017 #8

I think we have to have the biggest registration drive and also have people bettyellen Oct 2017 #10

+100. At this point, a "it will be 4 more years of this junk unless you vote" campaign Hoyt Oct 2017 #28

I think we have to shatter those memes that keep people away - bettyellen Oct 2017 #29

What The Heck Are You Talking About? Me. Oct 2017 #2

I don't exactly know what you are talking about Tavarious Jackson Oct 2017 #4

Bernie is running in the next primary? Weekend Warrior Oct 2017 #5

Well... Tavarious Jackson Oct 2017 #6

I wasn't even talking about Bernie. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #21

All Dem candidates have progressive ideas. Tavarious Jackson Oct 2017 #23

I want a liberal globalist like Emmanuel Macron nt Tavarious Jackson Oct 2017 #25

Macron isn't liberal in any recognizable sense. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #54

Dude... GulfCoast66 Oct 2017 #64

Well yeah...but we don't have to settle for just getting Trump out. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #65

So youre saying we didn't have a "real contest and a real debate"? Bullshit. bettyellen Oct 2017 #30

I'm not. I'm saying it sounds like there's a effort to try and pressure all of us Ken Burch Oct 2017 #31

You are implying exactly that. And it's nonsense. Stop this divisive bullshit. bettyellen Oct 2017 #33

No, I'm not. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #49

What pressure is there to get "behind a candidate right NOW?" n/t tammywammy Oct 2017 #46

There are numerous threads on DU right now talking about getting behind one candidate Ken Burch Oct 2017 #48

Do you have a link because I haven't seen that. n/t tammywammy Oct 2017 #50

You confuse an already existing support for a candidate as pressure on you. LanternWaste Oct 2017 #52

The threads I'm talking about don't mention any particular candidate. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #55

So if they don't mention a candidate how are they pressuring you to support someone? tammywammy Oct 2017 #56

Because they are trying to shut down debate. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #58

How can any random poster on here shut down discussion? tammywammy Oct 2017 #59

The process is going to happen, not sure why you'd think otherwise. But it seems like you're bettyellen Oct 2017 #61

No, I'm not. Please just accept that nothing I say is about 2016 Ken Burch Oct 2017 #62

If I answered your bullshit about the primaries I'd get an alert, so fuck this conversation. Stop bettyellen Oct 2017 #63

I've proved I accepted the results of the primaries. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #66

Who exactly is arguing there should be pressure to get behind LanternWaste Oct 2017 #51

This has hardly ever happened in recent memory. LisaM Oct 2017 #53

No one. n/t tammywammy Oct 2017 #60

Dems can't agree on who should run, so... MariaCSR Oct 2017 #9

No, it's not looking like trump 2020. He has a 32% approval rate and it's dropping 7% a month. Squinch Oct 2017 #11

If Democrats can unite behind a strong candidate, they'll win bearsfootball516 Oct 2017 #13

Seems like lots of new posters are pushing this hard these days. It's absurd. Squinch Oct 2017 #15

I dont want to take anything for granted when it comes to 2020 bearsfootball516 Oct 2017 #18

That's what why are exposing russian interference in the election JI7 Oct 2017 #19

The push for unity should happen at the convention. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #32

that's some funny shit. spanone Oct 2017 #12

Or tiresome, depending on how much patience you have. Squinch Oct 2017 #14

oh, i'm tired of it alright... spanone Oct 2017 #16

It seems to be the new thing to push around here. I wonder what they are hoping to gain by it? Squinch Oct 2017 #17

It couldn't be progressive to agree on someone right NOW-we're three years out. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #22

The Center is bigger than you think Tavarious Jackson Oct 2017 #24

Also, the country has moved right... a center left candidate is the only one who can win. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #35

Not sure the country actually has moved further right. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #36

There is no question it has...Look at the results...moderate GOP types are retiring en masse. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #47

I'm not talking about the primary at all, or about HRC...I campaigned for HRC in the fall. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #57

We agree by the primary process so don't put out that meme that we can't agree. brush Oct 2017 #27

Here we go again (and again) : Yes, it *IS* "just that" UTUSN Oct 2017 #20

There's only one person everyone will unify around underthematrix Oct 2017 #26

How likely do you think it is that he will run? Ken Burch Oct 2017 #37

And therein lies the problem. Can we even get him to run? underthematrix Oct 2017 #43

We absolutely do not need a divisive primary...thus I hope neither Hillary nor Bernie Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #34

Fully agree with you that neither of them should run. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #40

I love Joe Biden ...met him a few times...really great guy. I will always be sad he didn't have a Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #44

Ok, ok, ok, I'll say the same thing I said a couple days ago ProudLib72 Oct 2017 #38

That's absolutely true. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #39

I agree...am 100% behind Pelosi...and wish that supposedly progressive organizations would Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #45

It will all center around what Bernie does madville Oct 2017 #41

The party could stop Bernie from running by adopting most of his economic agenda Ken Burch Oct 2017 #42

Sigh. Well, guess it's Trump for another 4 years n/t kcr Oct 2017 #67