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In reply to the discussion: If corporations are engaging in a "capital strike" [View all]Zalatix
(8,994 posts)86. Now you're discrediting a blurb by the SF Fed Reserve? And now you're fabricating stuff, too.
You dismiss it by calling it 'simplistic'? Is that the best you've got?
The second link was NOT some rebuttal a dude sent to a free newsletter link. It turns out that the link actually expired a few days ago. So your claim is in fact a lie. You're so desperate now that you not only are avoiding salient points but you are also making up lies. But ever since you accused me of "not reading the material I post", you've been smokescreening. You're mad because you can't take me off course or off-message with your attempts to distort the truth.
It just so happens that I also have a backup link by PBS about this subject. It says the same thing that I've been saying.
Paul Solman: Trading with those outside the United States means selling to them and buying from them. When we spend more abroad than we earn from abroad, THAT is a trade deficit.
Why is it important? Because the money has to come from somewhere and for years, we've been borrowing it.
Does it relate to our national debt? Yes, by a slightly circuitous route. When we spend more abroad than we earn, the rest of the world has more of our dollars than we have of their currencies, right? What do they DO with our dollars? They can buy ASSETS in America like the Japanese used to: Rockefeller Center, the Pebble Beach golf course, Columbia Pictures. They can buy U.S. stocks. And/or they can LEND us back the dollars, for which they get - to use 'Guys and Dolls' terminology - our "marker": our Treasury bills, notes, and bonds - our IOUs.
Why is it important? Because the money has to come from somewhere and for years, we've been borrowing it.
Does it relate to our national debt? Yes, by a slightly circuitous route. When we spend more abroad than we earn, the rest of the world has more of our dollars than we have of their currencies, right? What do they DO with our dollars? They can buy ASSETS in America like the Japanese used to: Rockefeller Center, the Pebble Beach golf course, Columbia Pictures. They can buy U.S. stocks. And/or they can LEND us back the dollars, for which they get - to use 'Guys and Dolls' terminology - our "marker": our Treasury bills, notes, and bonds - our IOUs.
Now it's your turn to learn how to read.
As for growth? Most of the growth has gone to the 1%. That is directly due to the fact that they sent so many manufacturing jobs overseas. Americans bought tons of cheap Chinese crap that breaks inside of a year or a few months, and threw it on landfills. Most of that growth came from borrowing and people had to borrow because their wages stagnated and the cost of living kept going up. The growth might have happened to a lesser extent if we kept more jobs in America and people didn't have to go into debt to make ends meet - and it would have been more evenly distributed.
Once again, I also notice that you failed to address my totally valid and logical point that in order for Americans to keep having access to the cheap goods that you talked about here, foreign workers' wages must remain low. Thus you are also responsible for DEFENDING the impoverishment of other nations. I see you had nothing to say about the US Government fighting against better wages for Haitian garment workers. I wonder why you bypassed that.
PS: Nice attack on Occupy. We all know party you're REALLY on the side of, and it ain't the Democrats.
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Sometimes the board of directors would rather make no investment if that means the least loss.
Selatius
Jul 2012
#47
they should be using part of that capital to hire people and give back to the community
librechik
Jul 2012
#16
Lots of companies are refusing to hire workers and instead working their existing forces harder.
Zalatix
Jul 2012
#18
Part of the issue is that the US manufacturing economy has fundamentally and permanently changed
hack89
Jul 2012
#23
If we were completely self sufficient in all necessary raw materials and components, maybe.
hack89
Jul 2012
#25
Because... Scrooge McDuck is going to throw open the doors to the money bin?
Sen. Walter Sobchak
Jul 2012
#44
Scrooge McDuck could just get the fuck out and move to China, renounce his citizenship.
Zalatix
Jul 2012
#45
China is more than compliant with their WTO tariff reduction obligations
Sen. Walter Sobchak
Jul 2012
#46
So your whole point is "if we hire Americans, we create severe inflationary madness".
Zalatix
Jul 2012
#54
So the greatest period of growth for the Chinese middle class was prior to 1997?
Sen. Walter Sobchak
Jul 2012
#62
LOL, denial is your friend. You don't meet many friends of offshoring in real life, either.
Zalatix
Jul 2012
#69
Your recognition of sarcasm is as strong as your reading comprehension and or attention span
Sen. Walter Sobchak
Jul 2012
#70
Really dude, you need to read more than the first sentance before posting a link
Sen. Walter Sobchak
Jul 2012
#73
Your "you need to read" comebacks are getting weak. Don't you get tired of constantly being wrong?
Zalatix
Jul 2012
#74
And again you demonstrate you don't actually read anything before posting it,
Sen. Walter Sobchak
Jul 2012
#85
Now you're discrediting a blurb by the SF Fed Reserve? And now you're fabricating stuff, too.
Zalatix
Jul 2012
#86
Your argument is getting downright confused and frantic, not to mention weak and downrightdishonest.
Zalatix
Jul 2012
#91
So you now effectively admit you didn't read the article... internet cache is a wonderful thing
Sen. Walter Sobchak
Jul 2012
#97
Did you or did not not dishonestly attirubute his missive to the SF Fed?
Sen. Walter Sobchak
Jul 2012
#99
'Made In America' Policies Hugely Popular, Survey Shows - Yeah, we're hiding in our basements.
Zalatix
Jul 2012
#78
In fact, your argument also justifies replacing workers with prison labor, too.
Zalatix
Jul 2012
#50
Tariffs Should Be Used To Eliminate Benefit From Cross-Border Wage Differentials, Sir
The Magistrate
Jul 2012
#26
extortion, i'd call it. "we control the money spigot and we're going to keep it shut until you
HiPointDem
Jul 2012
#10
I'm comfortable in my own skin; I contribute substantial time and money to charitable causes
badtoworse
Jul 2012
#41
People and institutions are going to sell off any company spending cash assets
RB TexLa
Jul 2012
#92