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39. Did he initially shoot through the door and then open it to fire more rounds down the hallway?

Tue Oct 10, 2017, 01:09 PM

Oct 2017

The only person who would know that would be someone who was standing there watching him do it.

If there is a raftload of casings on the inside, and a raftload of holes on the walls, ceiling and floor of the hallway, then he might have fired through the door first, and then through the open doorway second.

So accounts along the lines of "He fired shots through the door" and "he fired hundreds of rounds through the doorway into the hall" run into the human mind gap-filling machine.

This is why and how early reports are messed up.

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** Late Breaking ** The shooter in Vegas shot the security guard before he shot his other victims. [View all] kentuck Oct 2017 OP

Why would that imply the cops were informed of his presence? jberryhill Oct 2017 #1

Wait, 200 bullets? B2G Oct 2017 #2

Bump stock will make gun move wildly when fired Watchfoxheadexplodes Oct 2017 #3

Doesn't look 'wild' to me. B2G Oct 2017 #9

Did he initially shoot through the door and then open it to fire more rounds down the hallway? jberryhill Oct 2017 #39

Is it possible the shooter accidentally killed himself somehow ecstatic Oct 2017 #67

I read that the guard was hit by shrapnel. yardwork Oct 2017 #12

No, he was shot. B2G Oct 2017 #16

Another example of how reporting on this changes. yardwork Oct 2017 #18

They are hiding something from the public. boston bean Oct 2017 #48

Im inclined to blame it on incompetence but I have no idea. yardwork Oct 2017 #53

We don't know what the position of everyone was jberryhill Oct 2017 #24

So he was hit by a stray bullet? B2G Oct 2017 #26

'Quite a way down the hall' makes no sense jberryhill Oct 2017 #28

He wouldn't have been shot if he was way down the hall. B2G Oct 2017 #29

"said Hickey who is president of the International Union, Security, Police and Fire Professionals" jberryhill Oct 2017 #31

Security at casino hotels is super tight lame54 Oct 2017 #40

if this is true lapfog_1 Oct 2017 #4

I read that the guard was hit by shrapnel. yardwork Oct 2017 #14

He was shot. With a bullet. B2G Oct 2017 #17

You know, there is frequently a "whisper down the lane" effect with this sort of thing jberryhill Oct 2017 #30

OK fine. B2G Oct 2017 #32

No, you don't have to "ignore" anything jberryhill Oct 2017 #34

Chill boston bean Oct 2017 #49

Why? B2G Oct 2017 #50

No. But that has nothing to do with my comment. boston bean Oct 2017 #51

Cube rat here. Please help. Orrex Oct 2017 #5

Open door alarm Watchfoxheadexplodes Oct 2017 #6

Thanks (nt) Orrex Oct 2017 #10

A door was ajar jberryhill Oct 2017 #38

He used a jar now? What? Orrex Oct 2017 #41

Precisely jberryhill Oct 2017 #63

None of this makes any sense. He was shot in the leg. B2G Oct 2017 #7

Well, if the shots started low, then the one of the first volley could have hit his leg Orrex Oct 2017 #8

And none of the other 190 rapidly fired bullets hit him? B2G Oct 2017 #11

Hmm. Yeah, that's weird. Orrex Oct 2017 #15

"do we know why he went to Paddock's door specifically?" jberryhill Oct 2017 #45

Spare me your facts, Mr. Facto. I'm speculating wildly! Orrex Oct 2017 #46

Actually Jberryhill is doing the speculating B2G Oct 2017 #47

Ok, but I'm still going to speculate wildly. Orrex Oct 2017 #52

Go for it. B2G Oct 2017 #54

"It was reported he was outside the door" jberryhill Oct 2017 #59

He was shot in the leg. B2G Oct 2017 #61

"Logic would say he was able to immediately report it" jberryhill Oct 2017 #62

OK. You win. B2G Oct 2017 #64

I'm not sure you are getting the point jberryhill Oct 2017 #66

How do you know where the guard was? jberryhill Oct 2017 #27

Thats the door on it's side - not the top half hexola Oct 2017 #22

What are you looking at? nt B2G Oct 2017 #23

The picture you posted - OBVIOUSLY a double door - one on it's side. hexola Oct 2017 #35

And it shows about 10 bullet holes. B2G Oct 2017 #37

Yeah - pretty sure I just said that... hexola Oct 2017 #42

Can't understand the 6 minute gap. coolsandy Oct 2017 #13

Tell the cops how? jberryhill Oct 2017 #25

It seems like the more we find out the less we know in this shooting inwiththenew Oct 2017 #19

I sensed that the Sheriff was overly defensive in the beginning days ecstatic Oct 2017 #20

That is exactly what the unfolding facts disillusioned73 Oct 2017 #57

I think THIS is the cover up Nevernose Oct 2017 #65

Too much is being made of this adjustment. hexola Oct 2017 #21

I thought the Chief said in one of his press conferences that the security guard Mr. Ected Oct 2017 #33

The police found him there when they arrived jberryhill Oct 2017 #36

Strange matt819 Oct 2017 #43

"But who investigates the response? And when is it appropriate to do so?" jberryhill Oct 2017 #44

I think that defense against lawsuits is highly relevant here. yardwork Oct 2017 #56

It is a certainty that no hotel employee talks to LE without a lawyer present jberryhill Oct 2017 #60

Wow.. disillusioned73 Oct 2017 #55

Not a good look for local law enforcement. nt oasis Oct 2017 #58