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Ken Burch

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134. I didn't mean the meaning that person took from it.

Tue Oct 10, 2017, 03:51 PM

Oct 2017

I have never posted here with nefarious intent, Jackie, or with hidden intent or with coded meaning.

"unspoken rule" is not the same as "conspiracy".

And nothing I said equated to claiming that progressives were oppressed within the California Democracy. My actual description would be that the party puts limits on how far they can go, which is pointless in California because there aren't any significant blocs of voters there anymore who will vote for a Dem but only it the Dem was a "moderate". California isn't Missouri.

You have no reason to assume that everything I say here an attack on the party or a part of a plot against the party. None of it is. I simply feel, as I've always felt, that it's not healthy to give anyone an unchallenged re-nomination for ANY office.

I didn't smear Dianne Feinstein...it would have been a smear to call her a reactionary. She's not a reactionary, she's a centrist, and has presented herself as such throughout her career, starting when she was the least progressive Dem on the SF Board of Supervisors.

She has done a lot of good as senator, but it's not a slur against her to point out that she's particularly progressive. And given that she's unbeatable, what difference does it make what I say about her?

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Diane Feinstein announcement [View all] brooklynite Oct 2017 OP

K&R... spanone Oct 2017 #1

The popular complaint is that she's too old. kstewart33 Oct 2017 #79

CA greeny2323 Oct 2017 #2

Settling? Why smear Feinstein? She's an honorable and capable and experienced public servant... NurseJackie Oct 2017 #9

What Nurse Jackie said. BadgerMom Oct 2017 #21

+1,000,000 DarthDem Oct 2017 #77

### NurseJackie Oct 2017 #78

She is hell on wheels. Bad ass & good heart. Alice11111 Oct 2017 #80

Hell-on-wheels... PERFECT!! NurseJackie Oct 2017 #82

Tough lady👩🗽💯💪💥 Alice11111 Oct 2017 #163

Backatcha DarthDem Oct 2017 #86

This & More Me. Oct 2017 #100

The More Me. Oct 2017 #101

Awesome! Impressive! With EXPERIENCE comes ACCOMPLISHMENTS, eh? But... NurseJackie Oct 2017 #104

I've Asked In This Thread What Exactly Is A True Progressive Me. Oct 2017 #106

I'd noticed that your previous question was being ignored. It's a valid question... NurseJackie Oct 2017 #107

It's All That Me. Oct 2017 #109

Nurse Jackie, you give the best accounting of why Feinstein should be supported, not denigrated. NBachers Oct 2017 #151

If only they would do just that... NurseJackie Oct 2017 #161

"Give voters a choice", i.e., divide the Democratic Party even more. George II Oct 2017 #17

The GOP is so weak in California that last time, there were TWO Democratic candidates for Senate Ken Burch Oct 2017 #93

What is the % of, as you put it, "true progressives" in the California Democratic voter rolls? George II Oct 2017 #97

What Exactly Is A True Progressive According To You Me. Oct 2017 #102

"True Progressives" NastyRiffraff Oct 2017 #105

It's a not-so-subtle way to smear Feinstein. And it's not the first time... NurseJackie Oct 2017 #108

Critique is not "smearing". Ken Burch Oct 2017 #113

Accusing Feinstein of not being a "true progressive" is a smear. There was no "critique"... NurseJackie Oct 2017 #119

Perhaps, having a choice of candidates is just a little TOO much democracy for some people. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #154

I hope not.I want a Democrat Senato rand Feinstein's seat could be up for grabs if some unknown won. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #18

Remember what happened to the republicans in Indiana Chipper Chat Oct 2017 #24

The way California works it's Senate races now, that's highly unlikely RhodeIslandOne Oct 2017 #38

exactly right...you get an unknown that is a wack job or can be portrayed as such by the GOP...we Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #70

The way the Senate race... tonedevil Oct 2017 #129

I am aware of this...but we need Feinstein's experience (very senior ) at the moment...and Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #157

If she runs against a Republican... tonedevil Oct 2017 #162

That is meaningless to me... Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #165

Are you a California... tonedevil Oct 2017 #166

I think that money and effort is better at flipping red seats DBoon Oct 2017 #26

Greeny2323 doesn't want to "settle" ? Steven Maurer Oct 2017 #30

As a Californian, I'd say we're damn lucky to have her, and obviously I have a lot of company Hekate Oct 2017 #42

Opposition noted. Weekend Warrior Oct 2017 #44

Done. roody Oct 2017 #91

Good! Happy to see this! NurseJackie Oct 2017 #3

Time to get on her bandwagon, then on to victory. democratisphere Oct 2017 #4

Getting on her bandwagon now means nothing can ever change in CA. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #94

When is the California Senate Democratic Primary scheduled in 2018? George II Oct 2017 #95

You make an excellent point. It's rather hypocritical to excuse it in one instance and... NurseJackie Oct 2017 #98

They found a pretext to stop it. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #111

The top two candidate system has been in place for a while in California Gothmog Oct 2017 #114

That was my point, actually. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #116

There is still no primary under California law Gothmog Oct 2017 #143

TMYK ★ ... NurseJackie Oct 2017 #144

The top two system IS a primary. It's just not a closed primary. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #156

How exactly will one primary Senator Feinstein under this system in the real world? Gothmog Oct 2017 #160

She'd need to be knocked into THIRD place. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #164

In the real world, this will not happen Gothmog Oct 2017 #167

Well, you see now... there's your mistake right there... NurseJackie Oct 2017 #168

This isn't an argument between you and I Ken Burch Oct 2017 #169

In the real world, there is no way to primary Feinstein Gothmog Oct 2017 #170

In the real world, I wasn't the one suggesting it Ken Burch Oct 2017 #171

California does have a primary, just not individual primaries for each party. So essentially.... George II Oct 2017 #125

I didn't say California DIDN'T have a primary. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #133

Most likely but not definitely. Looking down the list of candidates from less than a year ago.... George II Oct 2017 #136

If you're basing that on support levels, the top two were the most likely to win Ken Burch Oct 2017 #138

What pretext was that? (nt) ehrnst Oct 2017 #158

So you live in California? JHan Oct 2017 #103

No, but I've seen how it works. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #112

really? JHan Oct 2017 #115

The GOP is dead in Cali. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #117

No, the really is to you making an insinuation that progressives are oppressed in California. JHan Oct 2017 #118

I didn't use or even think the term "oppressed"-that would be insensitive. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #120

I consider Jerry Brown to be progressive minded and he's governor. JHan Oct 2017 #121

The term "litmus test" is heavy-handed. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #137

"Those positions seem to be reserved for 'centrists', for some reason." NurseJackie Oct 2017 #123

I didn't mean the meaning that person took from it. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #134

LOL! NurseJackie Oct 2017 #142

"And given that she's unbeatable, what difference does it make what I say about her?" lapucelle Oct 2017 #147

Exactly! I've smelled this type of thing before. NurseJackie Oct 2017 #159

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2017 #150

Sorry. From now on I won't. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #152

Your thread title is simply absurd. brer cat Oct 2017 #122

... skylucy Oct 2017 #5

If she's willing and able, why not? oasis Oct 2017 #6

What's your definition of able? awesomerwb1 Oct 2017 #10

She seems to be doing ok after recent pacemaker proceedure. If reelected, oasis Oct 2017 #13

I agree experience counts a lot awesomerwb1 Oct 2017 #22

Do you have a video of one of these moments? Weekend Warrior Oct 2017 #45

DiFi is almost 15 years older than Trump, and he's senile and she's NOT... Hekate Oct 2017 #60

Thank you, Hekate! sheshe2 Oct 2017 #145

So right about RBG... she's a dynamo!! Just gotta hope she NEVER retires before we put a Dem back in InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #155

I'm sure you'll be able to find them yourself n/t awesomerwb1 Oct 2017 #64

Is this one of the ones you are referencing? Weekend Warrior Oct 2017 #81

Oh I see, you just smear and run Hekate Oct 2017 #149

She is in the Senate not the house. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #71

Good for her. Bad news for her enemies. Hortensis Oct 2017 #7

We need new leaders who might run for President some day Cicada Oct 2017 #8

They're coming. Great experience and power connections are GOOD things. Hortensis Oct 2017 #19

The Senate is not a training ground for President. Incidentally, look back in history.... George II Oct 2017 #20

Yeah, the senate is a tough place from which to run zipplewrath Oct 2017 #69

So no Kamala Harris for Prez then? BeyondGeography Oct 2017 #126

Did you see the post to which I responded? Context is the key. George II Oct 2017 #127

Is Harris 2020 a non-starter because shes in the Senate? BeyondGeography Oct 2017 #128

We have a long way to 2020. My point was that here in 2017 we should not be looking... George II Oct 2017 #131

My point is there's a cost associated with people who effectively benefit from lifetime tenure BeyondGeography Oct 2017 #132

I seriously doubt that when Californians first elected Dianne Feinstein they weren't thinking.... George II Oct 2017 #135

I defer to the many Californians on this board BeyondGeography Oct 2017 #139

All I can say is that the candidates should put their names in and run. The voters will decide.... George II Oct 2017 #141

when garnett finishes a term for governor. he will make a great president DBoon Oct 2017 #28

Be great if Garcetti would build a powerful delisen Oct 2017 #35

That is up to Mayor Garcetti. nt. Weekend Warrior Oct 2017 #46

It is easier for a rich man to get into Heaven.... Honeycombe8 Oct 2017 #53

3.6M reasons she is going to win Not Ruth Oct 2017 #11

The Senate is a 6 year term crazycatlady Oct 2017 #12

"Hell, yeah!" on the 71 yo!!!!! MyOwnPeace Oct 2017 #32

Lately there's been some done crazycatlady Oct 2017 #34

and a much younger vp who perhaps is crazed. delisen Oct 2017 #36

considering what Meg Whitman spent in California several years back NewJeffCT Oct 2017 #15

That may be the number of votes she got, but I'd have to look it up from an actual computer Hekate Oct 2017 #50

That's disappointing. MoonRiver Oct 2017 #14

I'm a Californian and glad she's running again. She and Kamala Harris are a great team. iluvtennis Oct 2017 #16

I'm kind of hoping that you don't have Harris for much longer Orrex Oct 2017 #43

LOL, I'd love that, but don't see it happening in our current hate filled US environment iluvtennis Oct 2017 #65

Sigh Lunabell Oct 2017 #23

Thank you DiFi! We need more of you. leftofcool Oct 2017 #25

Kr Cryptoad Oct 2017 #27

She has been at it long enough BadGimp Oct 2017 #29

I don't get it hueymahl Oct 2017 #31

You are not correct in your observations. You leave out a lot. Weekend Warrior Oct 2017 #51

Senator Feinstein does not lead the Democratic Party. She is a US Senator doing a tremendous job Hekate Oct 2017 #52

+++++ .. tell me how and why this needs explaining? JHan Oct 2017 #56

Honest to God I do not know why Hekate Oct 2017 #59

yup..for emphasis... JHan Oct 2017 #61

Voting for war. roody Oct 2017 #92

She is absolutely A leader of the party hueymahl Oct 2017 #58

Too old. Is she trying to set a record? maxsolomon Oct 2017 #33

My Magic 8-Ball says it is 'Very doubtful' she will break Strom Thurmond's record Brother Buzz Oct 2017 #39

You can't beat it if you don't try I guess maxsolomon Oct 2017 #40

Absolutely! Madam45for2923 Oct 2017 #49

California's Senator Cornelius Cole was first elected at age 86 pnwmom Oct 2017 #54

What then do you believe is the allowable maximum age to be effective LanternWaste Oct 2017 #57

How old are you anyway? maxsolomon Oct 2017 #66

It's amazing how many people bring up gun violence, forgetting how she became Mayor... Hekate Oct 2017 #62

I'm not. I think she should retire. I know how she became Mayor. maxsolomon Oct 2017 #68

Good. If folks want to see her replaced, convince the voters to do it. SaschaHM Oct 2017 #37

It costs money...and is stupid to use if for a primary. Use the money against Republicans. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #72

Propping up another Democrat candidate such that we have another Top 2 finish in the primary.. SaschaHM Oct 2017 #74

Meh, the wrong "older" Senator retired in CA RhodeIslandOne Oct 2017 #41

Great news! DEMS FTW! Madam45for2923 Oct 2017 #47

It looks like in CA if she fails to finish the term the governor appoints someone Lee-Lee Oct 2017 #48

Bravo. I hope the Russians don't primary her. L. Coyote Oct 2017 #55

No kidding Hekate Oct 2017 #63

I've read that a competitive primary could be better for the CA Dem Party liskddksil Oct 2017 #67

You'd also bring out those on the left, who would stay home since Feinstein SaschaHM Oct 2017 #75

No, but I certainly wouldnt mind if another Democrat did Nevernose Oct 2017 #84

I'm thrilled Dianne Feinstein is running for re-election to the Senate from California. Spy Car Oct 2017 #73

I think it's going to be Dem against Dem In November, 2018. RandySF Oct 2017 #76

For the Primary? DarthDem Oct 2017 #87

The general. RandySF Oct 2017 #88

I Know :) DarthDem Oct 2017 #90

I'm opposed to her decision, but I don't live in California. Tatiana Oct 2017 #83

At that age........ Tavarious Jackson Oct 2017 #85

Id like to know if she were grooming someone for later Starry Messenger Oct 2017 #89

I wish Senators Kennedy and Byrd had done so loyalsister Oct 2017 #124

And the usual suspects on the purity left are already declaring war Blue_Tires Oct 2017 #96

Depressing. zentrum Oct 2017 #99

So what are you doing to find someone? brooklynite Oct 2017 #140

Incumbents have name recognition and money in the bank BeyondGeography Oct 2017 #146

smh. nt m-lekktor Oct 2017 #110

I think it's important to look at her record. What has she done for Californians or Am citizens? YOHABLO Oct 2017 #130

I am not from California. Willie Pep Oct 2017 #148

Feinstein's been our Senator while California has evolved into it's current "progressive" status. NBachers Oct 2017 #153

+1000, NBachers. From the LA Times "...and I'm no rabble rouser." Hortensis Oct 2017 #172