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WillowTree

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68. I would add, just for the sake of clarity.......

Wed Oct 11, 2017, 10:37 AM

Oct 2017

".......employers can tell an employee what to do while on the job"

What they do on their own time is none of the employer's business unless, of course, it involves something illegal or that will reflect badly on the business.

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The NFL Commissioner is going to order the players to stand for the national anthem. [View all] kentuck Oct 2017 OP

Does this apply to the spectators as well? Irish_Dem Oct 2017 #1

+1000 dchill Oct 2017 #87

The flag and anthem have become more important than the American people. Irish_Dem Oct 2017 #101

like this group bdamomma Oct 2017 #121

Maybe if ordered to stand, they can turn their backs instead? Pachamama Oct 2017 #2

I would stand on one leg to protest; i.e. a standing kneel aka Karate Kid crane position Not Ruth Oct 2017 #3

What are your "free speech" rights in your place of employment? jmg257 Oct 2017 #4

Amazed by people that don't understand what the 1st amendment really means. MichMan Oct 2017 #55

Saved me from posting that. pangaia Oct 2017 #132

If it isn't their contracts it a pile. DK504 Oct 2017 #69

I won't watch if they do. Give in to a bully, he will keep bullying you. Johonny Oct 2017 #5

So they stand and raise their fists as did the Mexico City Olympiads... hlthe2b Oct 2017 #6

The NFL Commissioner will find himself in court malaise Oct 2017 #7

Based on what? WillowTree Oct 2017 #9

Does it matter if the workplace was paid for by taxpayers? kentuck Oct 2017 #11

Nope. Doesnt matter. Calista241 Oct 2017 #20

Also being paid by their employers. WillowTree Oct 2017 #23

How much authority is given employers under our Constitution? kentuck Oct 2017 #26

The BOR MichMary Oct 2017 #35

The BOR does not apply to employers? kentuck Oct 2017 #39

What I'm saying is MichMary Oct 2017 #47

I would not consider "Hawaiian shirts" on the same level as "police brutality"... kentuck Oct 2017 #62

Freedom of Expression IS a basic right MichMary Oct 2017 #64

Can they order them to jump off a bridge? kentuck Oct 2017 #66

Another Question: Eyeball_Kid Oct 2017 #83

I would add, just for the sake of clarity....... WillowTree Oct 2017 #68

Unless, of course, they want to give them a drug test... kentuck Oct 2017 #71

Did you miss the part....... WillowTree Oct 2017 #111

People have been fired MichMary Oct 2017 #72

Did they post something....... WillowTree Oct 2017 #113

She worked for a bank MichMary Oct 2017 #116

Foolish on her part then. WillowTree Oct 2017 #118

Doesn't matter if it is on your own time or not MichMan Oct 2017 #74

In An "At-Will" State RobinA Oct 2017 #108

The Bill of Rights ClarendonDem Oct 2017 #36

Same thing I asked you on another thread. WillowTree Oct 2017 #38

There are consequences to our words and actions... kentuck Oct 2017 #44

If the employer MichMary Oct 2017 #50

That's a good question Major Nikon Oct 2017 #53

The first word of the 1st amendment provides your answer Major Nikon Oct 2017 #46

Well, they have a union. LisaM Oct 2017 #126

Unless the NFL's rules are deemed to violate their constituional rights. ElementaryPenguin Oct 2017 #134

Career Federal employee. Hangingon Oct 2017 #29

"Protests" seldom followed the rules that were "allowable"... kentuck Oct 2017 #33

The problem was losing your job. Hangingon Oct 2017 #45

Yes, you could lose your job. kentuck Oct 2017 #54

I was never asked to do anything illegal or unreasonable. Hangingon Oct 2017 #59

Try going off on a obscenity laced tirade at the judge in a court of law...... MichMan Oct 2017 #61

Not the same for government employees Major Nikon Oct 2017 #63

I think I would expect Hangingon Oct 2017 #92

Pissing off your employer isn't a great career move anywhere Major Nikon Oct 2017 #140

If everyone thought like you we would still have child labor and 12 hour work shifts amoung wasupaloopa Oct 2017 #17

Utter nonsense. WillowTree Oct 2017 #22

The labor movement was more than safety issues wasupaloopa Oct 2017 #30

The misunderstanding of the 1st Amendment here is mind boggling MichMan Oct 2017 #70

Apparently they do. WillowTree Oct 2017 #73

Those things ended because laws were passed, not because people took their employers to court Major Nikon Oct 2017 #28

I wasn't replying to the OP wasupaloopa Oct 2017 #32

You replied to someone who was even more specific Major Nikon Oct 2017 #41

NFL afraid of losing some easy money?? Bengus81 Oct 2017 #24

WHen did the anthem become part of the work of football players? malaise Oct 2017 #27

When they suited-up and walked on the field. WillowTree Oct 2017 #76

This message was self-deleted by its author LanternWaste Oct 2017 #91

Unions can protest bathroommonkey76 Oct 2017 #31

It all depends MichMary Oct 2017 #42

I don't think it is a new rule though. WillowTree Oct 2017 #77

From SI bathroommonkey76 Oct 2017 #80

"The NFL is not considering punishing......." WillowTree Oct 2017 #85

If anythings happens it will be after this season ends bathroommonkey76 Oct 2017 #89

What do you mean? The rule is already there. WillowTree Oct 2017 #90

It isn't a "rule". lol bathroommonkey76 Oct 2017 #99

Maybe, actually. Depends on their contracts Nevernose Oct 2017 #117

It's in the game operations manual that's distributed to all NFL teams. WillowTree Oct 2017 #119

But not distributed or agreed to by all players Nevernose Oct 2017 #123

If all parties agree to "stand" instead of "should stand" Watchfoxheadexplodes Oct 2017 #8

My guess is the Player''s Union will demand arbitration on the matter. LanternWaste Oct 2017 #10

Probably Major Nikon Oct 2017 #34

Disgusting. Paternal master has spoken. Ninga Oct 2017 #12

I Know That's What People Are Saying. . . ProfessorGAC Oct 2017 #13

Karate Kid crane position!!! Not Ruth Oct 2017 #19

Here is another link: kentuck Oct 2017 #25

Still Doesn't Say The Plan It To Order Them To Stand ProfessorGAC Oct 2017 #94

I don't think he is saying that explicitly but may be interpreted that way by owners and players? kentuck Oct 2017 #96

Probably So ProfessorGAC Oct 2017 #98

Sounds like a solution! kentuck Oct 2017 #100

This just feeds tRumps ego. Joe941 Oct 2017 #14

The players should go on strike. The owners are afraid of losing money. wasupaloopa Oct 2017 #15

The players cannot strike unless the union tells them to Not Ruth Oct 2017 #18

I agree, hit 'em in their wallets. That's all they really care about. Kleveland Oct 2017 #21

Haven't they been telling people what it's about? MichMary Oct 2017 #58

The NFL would LOVE for the players to go on strike. LOVE it. Calista241 Oct 2017 #137

Tell us again daddy about what is was like in the land of the free............ lunasun Oct 2017 #16

The National Anthem HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PERFORMING THEIR JOBS !!!! Trust Buster Oct 2017 #37

Exactly Bettie Oct 2017 #52

It isn't about pledging allegiance to anything MichMary Oct 2017 #57

Nonsense, the National Anthem has nothing to do with the performance of their jobs. Trust Buster Oct 2017 #79

"God" isn't mentioned in the Star Spangled Banner MichMary Oct 2017 #82

Stupid. This won't end well. grossproffit Oct 2017 #40

Let each individual decide; player, coach, management, fans; as to whether democratisphere Oct 2017 #43

I'm OK with standing for the national anthem so long as... kentuck Oct 2017 #48

I totally agree with you on the "not required" or "making it mandatory". democratisphere Oct 2017 #67

They should all kneel SHRED Oct 2017 #49

They should bow. boston bean Oct 2017 #51

So now your employer can make you swear allegiance to Herr Trump doc03 Oct 2017 #56

I want the protest message to be much more in front of this bend the knee cry. .. FarPoint Oct 2017 #60

What do you believe the real message meant by bending the knee is this week? Not Ruth Oct 2017 #75

Police shooting unarmed black males.... FarPoint Oct 2017 #84

I think that that was the message last season, but it seems to have evolved to anti Trump Not Ruth Oct 2017 #105

No, he's not. Iggo Oct 2017 #65

Then we will raise our fists C_U_L8R Oct 2017 #78

And possibly lose your jobs. WillowTree Oct 2017 #81

I will never stand up for the national anthem again ..... stonecutter357 Oct 2017 #86

Goodell is a spineless unprincipled weasel. jcmaine72 Oct 2017 #88

Arms race HAB911 Oct 2017 #93

Exactly. Dave Starsky Oct 2017 #97

If the NFL fines/punushes players for unwillingness to do post-game interviews with media... JoeStuckInOH Oct 2017 #95

So the teams can bench players but they still have to pay them, right? Demit Oct 2017 #104

They could possibly fine players, too. JoeStuckInOH Oct 2017 #110

The easy solution is to not have the players take the field till after the anthem is finished. Demit Oct 2017 #114

The NFL and Team Owners do though... it's their event to make whatever they awant of it. JoeStuckInOH Oct 2017 #115

They can't claim they want the game to be nonpolitical then. Demit Oct 2017 #133

Agreed but they can also tell the players to be apolitical, at least while at the games. JoeStuckInOH Oct 2017 #135

On the plus side, this means that the protesting players won Orrex Oct 2017 #102

The great divider has done it again... PunksMom Oct 2017 #103

There was no problem until Cheeto decided to make it one. OldHippieChick Oct 2017 #107

There is a difference between "should" and "shall" The_Casual_Observer Oct 2017 #106

Fuck the NFL. And sadly the NBA. maveric Oct 2017 #109

Is the Commissioner also going to regulate the players' facial expressions? WinkyDink Oct 2017 #112

California is burning. Texas and Puerto Rico are drowning. But what's our national priority? Initech Oct 2017 #120

exactly bdamomma Oct 2017 #122

He's tweetd 15 times about fake news and Roger Gooddell. ZERO about California. Initech Oct 2017 #125

California bdamomma Oct 2017 #128

I don't know. Initech Oct 2017 #129

Russia elected???? bdamomma Oct 2017 #131

He's not ordering anything leftynyc Oct 2017 #124

just another trump lie dembotoz Oct 2017 #136

We can't take ANYTHING leftynyc Oct 2017 #138

Truth dembotoz Oct 2017 #139

Might as well order me to never watch another game. Eliot Rosewater Oct 2017 #127

I always hated Football/Wrestling/Martial Arts (the "ruffians") Dawson Leery Oct 2017 #130