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PoindexterOglethorpe

(28,493 posts)
80. He Who Must Not Be Mentioned Here.
Thu Oct 12, 2017, 03:13 PM
Oct 2017

It is possible not to consider Hillary to have been the finest candidate of all time and NOT be being sexist or misogynist. Honest.

It was my personal experience that the most fervent Hillary supporters were caught up almost completely in the thrill of having the first woman President, without carefully looking at all the issues, or comparing who the few primary challengers stacked up against her.

It really does matter that she didn't appeal to sexists and bigots enough. It's hard to recognize that. I haven't quite figured out for myself if this country really is ready for a woman President in the generic sense. Probably, because even when Hillary Clinton got the nomination, she did win the popular vote, despite all the mud that was thrown at her. Please don't misunderstand me. I am as outraged as anyone here that she lost. For years I've muttered that I don't know why I bother to vote in the Presidential column when, almost no matter where I live, my vote doesn't count. If, in 2016, Trump had still won the way he did but Democrats had taken the House and Senate, it's distantly possible that there would have been an immediate move to get rid of the Electoral College. Of course, were Democrats in charge they'd probably have passed legislation strengthening Social Security and Medicare, as well as the ACA. And they'd have impeached Donald by now, although we'd have Pence as our President, but again, in my FantasyLand version of the outcome of last year's election, Democrats would stand up against him.

Generally speaking, demographics are in our favor, but so long as Republicans control so many state houses and are hell bent on erasing the right to vote for so many, those demographics won't help us out as much as they should. We, as a party, need to be doing a lot better job of bringing young people in, get them to run for office at all levels, especially for their state legislatures. It just does not feel as though the party as a whole is doing so.

I live in New Mexico, which overall tends to elect Democrats. It is a competitive state for both parties, however. Both of our Senators and two of our three Representatives are Democrats. Our Governor, Susana Martinez, is a Republican. She was first elected in 2010 when the Dem running had been Bill Richardson's Lt Gov, and he'd become extremely unpopular here. Susana was re-elected in 2014 because the Democratic Party here is often in disarray, so five candidates were in the primary and the voters, in their infinite idiocy, chose Gary King, son of a former Governor, based most likely on name recognition. He lost big time in the general election.

We're coming up on another Governor's race, and it's already something of a cluster-fuck. Sigh.

Here's another thing to keep in mind. We do not have to come together real soon over who our nominee will be in 2020. Look at how toxic and divisive the Republican primary season was last year, and Trump still did incredibly well in the general election. Which proves that the voters of a party can pull together quite nicely after such divisiveness. As did the Democrats.

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Those type of women feel lucky they have a man instead of Man feeling lucky he has a woman! kimbutgar Oct 2017 #1
There are probably many reasons. Willie Pep Oct 2017 #2
Bingo SharonClark Oct 2017 #27
agreed NewJeffCT Oct 2017 #49
HRC was to ignorant white women what Obama was to ignorant black men: lindysalsagal Oct 2017 #96
They voted for him because he promised to build the wall, repeal ACA and ban Muslims LuvLoogie Oct 2017 #3
It is really important to understand to what extent some significant percentage of them PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2017 #5
Well that would be sexism. Again no redeeming reason. LuvLoogie Oct 2017 #9
Okay, so it's sexism. PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2017 #11
More bullshit. People weren't naive and wide-eyed in their support of her. LuvLoogie Oct 2017 #14
well said onetexan Oct 2017 #20
The Dems did not put forth their best candidate. PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2017 #21
She lost because of 77,000 votes across three states that gave Trump the electoral college win. Demit Oct 2017 #25
Thank you. SharonClark Oct 2017 #28
I know. What a shame her campaign staff PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2017 #56
Well said! +++++++++++++++++++ Agree iluvtennis Oct 2017 #57
They did put forth the best. Who do you think was better. If you want to roll over... LuvLoogie Oct 2017 #69
He Who Must Not Be Mentioned Here. PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2017 #80
Bernie was an old cranky leftist DBoon Oct 2017 #79
Not a terrible candidate MaryMagdaline Oct 2017 #82
Why is there such antipathy? treestar Oct 2017 #54
Anyone still thinking she is not the president delisen Oct 2017 #90
Most of tRump's baggage was invisible to his voters bigbrother05 Oct 2017 #83
What we understand is that the election was stolen, no matter what the Hillary blamers say... brush Oct 2017 #89
+1 n/t Beartracks Oct 2017 #104
Conerns about the economy are NOT limited to men.. whathehell Oct 2017 #34
My guess trixie2 Oct 2017 #4
You may be right Docreed2003 Oct 2017 #6
Women, Republican women, who voted for Trump Miigwech Oct 2017 #7
the women I know who voted KT2000 Oct 2017 #8
They hated her because she was smarter than them, more successful, more kind and a better Christian. LuvLoogie Oct 2017 #10
Agree. And I'd also add, some women just couldn't fathom a woman being POTUS...they've iluvtennis Oct 2017 #17
All oppressed people tend to internalize the disrespect they are shown whathehell Oct 2017 #37
Excellent point...I agree with you. iluvtennis Oct 2017 #58
Yes, thank you. n/t whathehell Oct 2017 #60
yes - her success puts pressure KT2000 Oct 2017 #22
Those decades of programming their audience to hate Hillary quakerboy Oct 2017 #16
and I believe part KT2000 Oct 2017 #23
Could be quakerboy Oct 2017 #71
Yes, absolutely. whathehell Oct 2017 #38
Bingo - that pretty much describes the one woman in my family bullwinkle428 Oct 2017 #50
They don't want to be thought to be feminists. marybourg Oct 2017 #12
Clever Turn of Phrase, Mary! ProfessorGAC Oct 2017 #45
low self-esteem and fear of not catching a man; desperate to show men that they're "one of the guys TheFrenchRazor Oct 2017 #102
I think a lot of these women had been "trained" all of their lives by men. Doreen Oct 2017 #13
I agree Miigwech Oct 2017 #15
this; a lot of women care more about the opinions of their male masters than they do about their own TheFrenchRazor Oct 2017 #100
Many "Conservative" women follow a strict covert code of authoritarianism. KY_EnviroGuy Oct 2017 #18
true. nt TheFrenchRazor Oct 2017 #101
i think the republican part has more to do with it. barbtries Oct 2017 #19
Majority of white women, 53%, voted for Trump Kaleva Oct 2017 #24
Because the vast majority of Republican women are white. LisaM Oct 2017 #86
Or, the majority of white women are or lean Republican Kaleva Oct 2017 #92
I don't think that's true. LisaM Oct 2017 #93
Exit polling shows it to be true Kaleva Oct 2017 #94
Well, that wasn't what you said. LisaM Oct 2017 #95
Well, it certainly was implied Kaleva Oct 2017 #97
No, a majority of white women WHO VOTED. LisaM Oct 2017 #98
But the thread is about women who voted. Kaleva Oct 2017 #99
They voted for him because they are idiot racist fuckheads. Orrex Oct 2017 #26
That is just one basket oberliner Oct 2017 #30
At the end of the day, they all fit in that basket Orrex Oct 2017 #33
Personally, I agree with Hillary's assessment oberliner Oct 2017 #40
Well, she was obliged to use language more polite than mine Orrex Oct 2017 #42
Fair enough oberliner Oct 2017 #43
And that, alas, is the sad damn truth (nt) Orrex Oct 2017 #44
No concern for the country treestar Oct 2017 #55
It's like what John Fugelsang says - not all of them are racists, but all bullwinkle428 Oct 2017 #51
That's why he gets paid for funny eloquence... Orrex Oct 2017 #52
That is ridiculous oberliner Oct 2017 #29
Women can be fearful racists too HopeAgain Oct 2017 #31
I've encountered plenty of hateful racist women when no white man was anywhere around lunasun Oct 2017 #106
Any woman who votes for Trump and/or the GOP is either. . . DinahMoeHum Oct 2017 #32
I agree with 1 & 2 Orrex Oct 2017 #35
My mom voted for him rainin Oct 2017 #36
There's a channel button on every remote HopeAgain Oct 2017 #39
She watches Fox rainin Oct 2017 #41
Not even close. You might want to get out an meet a few of them, and their families. jmg257 Oct 2017 #46
Patronize much? GaryCnf Oct 2017 #47
"because they have determined it is in their self-interest" FiveGoodMen Oct 2017 #61
You double dare me to explain GaryCnf Oct 2017 #62
Better than for them to think the GOP is on their side. FiveGoodMen Oct 2017 #65
While your at if GaryCnf Oct 2017 #66
No, no, by all means FiveGoodMen Oct 2017 #67
I vote for whomever I determine best serves my interest and values GaryCnf Oct 2017 #68
Hypothethically, suppose I know that a mine has been buried in the sidewalk of a street FiveGoodMen Oct 2017 #70
Hypothetically GaryCnf Oct 2017 #72
"what is important to black folks or to women" FiveGoodMen Oct 2017 #73
You're description of GOPers is spot on GaryCnf Oct 2017 #74
So, again, you're saying that the things I listed as problems are not problems for you FiveGoodMen Oct 2017 #75
As a man, my opinion is nothing more GaryCnf Oct 2017 #78
Excellent post. nt m-lekktor Oct 2017 #64
Because they're scumbags. johnp3907 Oct 2017 #48
Right after the p***y grabbing comment - I posted here pretty much the same thing meadowlark5 Oct 2017 #53
This is exactly how a lot of rural towns in the midwest are bearsfootball516 Oct 2017 #76
Because they hate POC even more than they hate themselves. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2017 #59
The women I know who voted trump mountain grammy Oct 2017 #63
I always assumed it was for devilishly good looks. nt JoeStuckInOH Oct 2017 #77
ignorance. muntrv Oct 2017 #81
I continually go back to my attitude when I lived in a small town in the Texas Panhandle Thirties Child Oct 2017 #84
Miigwech saidsimplesimon Oct 2017 #85
Think of the children MaryMagdaline Oct 2017 #87
Because their fear of hellfire or hate of "liberals" was greater than their disgust of man-children haele Oct 2017 #88
I spent a few years living in a city called Muncie, Indiana bearsfootball516 Oct 2017 #91
This is unlikely to be true. marybourg Oct 2017 #103
if Republican women vote for a racist pig Republican women are a racist pig .... stonecutter357 Oct 2017 #105
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