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102. No one's missed the reason for the 'pushback'

Reply to JHan (Reply #96)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 12:58 AM

Oct 2017

Everyone knows it's because the Hated One must be hated at all times. That's it.

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Bernie Sanders coming to Detroit to deliver opening-night speech at Women's Convention [View all] Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2017 OP

And many, many women are unhappy about it. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2017 #1

Not true. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2017 #5

What's not true, the fact that many women are unhappy about it, or that naming the convention after WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2017 #6

Is his wife going to be there snooper2 Oct 2017 #21

Post removed Post removed Oct 2017 #54

How would you know? pnwmom Oct 2017 #67

Bernie is the most popular politician on the planet. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2017 #68

Yeah, right. This is a woman's convention, not a high school prom. pnwmom Oct 2017 #71

boy o boy o boy do i agree with you.... samnsara Oct 2017 #154

LOL! TexasTowelie Oct 2017 #77

You can say that again... excellent choice!! InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #78

No he isn't. George II Oct 2017 #131

well not so sure about that claim... samnsara Oct 2017 #153

That sounds so much like Trump Trumpocalypse Oct 2017 #180

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10141888323 George II Oct 2017 #74

I guess you've not seen or heard from any women who've been all over Ninsianna Oct 2017 #112

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2017 #233

It is absolutely true. They have received thousands of letters against this. leftofcool Oct 2017 #132

VERY TRUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! heaven05 Oct 2017 #138

many many women is probably accurate. How many in a ballpark number would you venture a guess are JCanete Oct 2017 #45

They got over a million letters against it. leftofcool Oct 2017 #133

wait, is he delivering the opening speech, or just a speech on opening night? if the latter, what JCanete Oct 2017 #186

+ 1 musette_sf Oct 2017 #48

And many women are outraged about it. nt Maven Oct 2017 #2

+ 1 musette_sf Oct 2017 #49

Beyond STUPID leftynyc Oct 2017 #3

Sounds like you have a tight circle. From previous polling, it looks like he's pretty popular among JCanete Oct 2017 #46

Has nothing to do with Bernie leftynyc Oct 2017 #52

that's fair. nt JCanete Oct 2017 #55

The organizers are also those who deliberately shunned Clinton at their Women's March in January. George II Oct 2017 #75

Yup leftynyc Oct 2017 #117

Kamela was invited but is too busy fundraising that weekend. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2017 #181

Then they're smarter than I thought leftynyc Oct 2017 #184

Lol. I figured as much. is that what we are going with now? Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2017 #185

Now? I haven't had any leftynyc Oct 2017 #190

This is going to enrage some. Orsino Oct 2017 #4

Oh, he will... Bernie always does! InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #79

He probably needs to turn down the headliner role. He's at the center of too much divisiveness... brush Oct 2017 #86

Post removed Post removed Oct 2017 #7

when did he ever denounce planned parenthood? That never happened. Saying it is connected to the JCanete Oct 2017 #47

Calling a beleaguered Women's Health Organization "establishment" was tone-deaf and petty emulatorloo Oct 2017 #87

I am unaware of anything even remotely close. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #99

You claim he called them "establishment" in a good way? LOL that's rich. bettyellen Oct 2017 #107

LOL, I said no such thing. You must have me confused w/ someone else... apology accepted. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #145

Well then he did but you just never heard of it? Hard to believe, and no apology was offered.... bettyellen Oct 2017 #198

LOL!! Your mind reading skills are amazing!! InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #211

Good reminder. Planned Parenthood's endorsement of Hillary revealed how shallow R B Garr Oct 2017 #65

Many women are speaking out against this decision. DesertRat Oct 2017 #8

Thank you Joy! sheshe2 Oct 2017 #9

Is that the same Joy Reid who called Hillary insane and the white people's candidate in 2008? Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2017 #20

This message was self-deleted by its author emulatorloo Oct 2017 #23

HSB, have any of your opinions changed over the years? irisblue Oct 2017 #24

Sorry I have a long memory. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2017 #29

I don't care about 2016. What I do care about is Sen Sander's views on identity politcs Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #39

+ 1 musette_sf Oct 2017 #50

This! Ninsianna Oct 2017 #116

First, this is 2017 not 2008. sheshe2 Oct 2017 #43

Yup, THAT Joy Reid. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #82

It's weird how obsessed people are with 2008, when in 2017 Ninsianna Oct 2017 #113

There are some folks who use whataboutism at every opportunity. nt stevenleser Oct 2017 #126

Whataboutism has become... Charlotte Little Oct 2017 #150

Exactly and certain folks seem to use it repeatedly. DUers need to all fire back when it is used stevenleser Oct 2017 #156

I guess when you lack facts, and have no argument but feel the need to spout off Ninsianna Oct 2017 #214

We could discuss the things that Sanders has said over the years, but we know what would happen. George II Oct 2017 #127

That person would object to whataboutisms being used in those circumstances stevenleser Oct 2017 #130

Whataboutisms do not answer the point, they distract. nt stevenleser Oct 2017 #128

This message was self-deleted by its author Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2017 #163

I don't recall Joy Reid saying anything like that. Please point us to it if she did. Thanks. George II Oct 2017 #140

Even if that is true, which I have seen no evidence of... sheshe2 Oct 2017 #141

The only references I've seen of her "saying" that are on a TYT video and an obscure blog.... George II Oct 2017 #144

Those are the only mentions I found as well, George. sheshe2 Oct 2017 #147

Joy Reid was/is heaven05 Oct 2017 #142

Wow! That last one... pretty bad. (Thanks for sharing.) NurseJackie Oct 2017 #18

I Wonder If He'll Read Me. Oct 2017 #32

I don't know about most women, but I just lovenhaving a guy who thinks womens issues are divisive boston bean Oct 2017 #10

The Women's Convention uses"Reclaiming My Time" as a tag line but doesn't have Maxine as the opener. DesertRat Oct 2017 #11

I do not know what they were thinking. eom sheshe2 Oct 2017 #13

I have a good guess DesertRat Oct 2017 #14

Deeper one digs the more it looks like an Our Revolution event emulatorloo Oct 2017 #22

Spot on. nt DesertRat Oct 2017 #25

I don't care...this ruins the convention and causes division. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #38

Why is it divisive? Because he's male and the march should have a female speaker or something else? JCanete Oct 2017 #51

Yes, a woman's convention should have a woman head line speaker...like Maxine Waters. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #66

Yes because he is male and has made comments about Planned parenthood and Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #115

First, it looks like Maxine Waters is delivering the keynote, not Sanders. Second, I understand his JCanete Oct 2017 #192

He is delivering the opening night's speech...totally pissed about this. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #193

Kamela Harris was invited but she is busy that weekend. She is fundraising. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2017 #177

Link? tammywammy Oct 2017 #183

There's lots of info out there. Like how Maxine Waters is the keynote. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2017 #187

That is meaningless to me...plenty of other good women. He called planned parenthood establishment Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #194

This message was self-deleted by its author Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2017 #178

Yeah, I just noticed that, too. LisaM Oct 2017 #62

Exactly that! EffieBlack Oct 2017 #106

If he does this, we will lose. I hope he understands he cannot win a primary and will only hurt our Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #40

No, they only have her as the keynote speaker. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2017 #175

The opening speech is a big deal DesertRat Oct 2017 #191

Probably because he's the most beloved politician on the planet. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2017 #195

Exactly. He should have thanked them for the offer.... LisaM Oct 2017 #12

The Onion summed it up well DesertRat Oct 2017 #15

Sort out of like all those guys writing legislation regarding womens health. boston bean Oct 2017 #16

Not his fault that he is loved or that he was invited Not Ruth Oct 2017 #30

Well, the organizer, or one of them, seems to be the same woman who left Hillary off LisaM Oct 2017 #33

Oh please. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2017 #36

I don't think you understand how upsetting this is to many of us. LisaM Oct 2017 #42

He COULD have done it with grace leftynyc Oct 2017 #56

Actually, I would finally give his sense of judgement some credit. Starry Messenger Oct 2017 #93

This message was self-deleted by its author JonLP24 Oct 2017 #135

Judging from the response, he is not loved by everyone. I have respect for Sen. Sanders but I do not Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #37

Given the backlash and the upset, it's silly to pretend he's "loved" Ninsianna Oct 2017 #110

who are running the women's convention, men? Was it guys who booked Sanders? Serious JCanete Oct 2017 #207

It's a bunch of people who seem to be deliberately deaf to what women Ninsianna Oct 2017 #215

I didn't assume it, which is why I asked the question. Given that you were saying these guys JCanete Oct 2017 #222

I know that nit picking definitions seems to be quite popular here, but Ninsianna Oct 2017 #231

totally like that! except that among a whole bunch of speakers, he and one other person are the only JCanete Oct 2017 #206

I can't believe they picked Sen. Sanders who has spoken against identity issues. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #35

Well the irony of this thread is a guy 'mansplaining' about why they need a guy 'mansplaining' grantcart Oct 2017 #221

This has to be satire. Weekend Warrior Oct 2017 #17

I would have loved to see Maxine as the opening speaker.. that would have been a real crowd puller. JHan Oct 2017 #19

Yep, organizer's announcement of this getting lots of pushback on twitter. emulatorloo Oct 2017 #26

Maxine is the keynote speaker. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2017 #204

She's one of the speakers at the convention. n/t PoliticAverse Oct 2017 #59

Yes, I'm aware of that. JHan Oct 2017 #61

Yes, Maxine never fails to disappoint... love her to death!! InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #80

I'm sure you meant that insult, too. bettyellen Oct 2017 #200

Love 'em both... how is that an insult?! InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #212

"Never fails to disappoint" means always disappointing. LOL. bettyellen Oct 2017 #219

Sorry, but it's an idiom expression... InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #220

It is an idiom but it means you're disappointed. Leave out the fails next time if you mean to praise bettyellen Oct 2017 #225

Thanx for splainin... I'll try to be more grammatically correct next time, so as not to offend you. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #226

It's about saying offensive things about Maxine, not about my feelings at all. bettyellen Oct 2017 #227

You really should listen to YOURself... have you ever made a mistake in your life? InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #228

You didn't say that. You said she never fails to (that means "always") bettyellen Oct 2017 #229

bettyellen, I can only hope that, one day, I'll be as perfect as you... InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #232

Not sure why you've been so rude about it- but at least your not claiming that statement meant bettyellen Oct 2017 #234

What's rude is your steadfast refusal to take someone at his word that, indeed, my prior statement InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #235

It's not grammar. It's meaning- words have meaning, but yeah.... whatever. bettyellen Oct 2017 #236

Yes, but if an idiom can have different meanings, why would you... InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #237

It doesn't have two meanings. Never did. Sorry for your confusion. bettyellen Oct 2017 #238

Well bettyellen, YOU definitely never fail to disappoint, that's for damn sure... InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #239

I never once said you were a "bad guy" while you insulted me over and over again.... bettyellen Oct 2017 #240

LOL, nice try... but I DO appreciate your candid statement InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #241

Let's see GaryCnf Oct 2017 #27

Thank you Detroit Democrats saidsimplesimon Oct 2017 #28

I'll be in the Detroit area that day. LisaM Oct 2017 #34

i wish i could be there questionseverything Oct 2017 #73

kicking for this ↑ "we are stronger together" OxQQme Oct 2017 #170

i supported bernie in the primaries but questionseverything Oct 2017 #202

There's a problem many women have w Sanders support of candidates against choice.... bettyellen Oct 2017 #230

Yup, stronger together. This ragefest about Sanders speaking is crazy Arazi Oct 2017 #197

tone deaf for sure. niyad Oct 2017 #31

+1 Lucinda Oct 2017 #203

So a man is a headliner for the first national Women's Convention in 40 years... SaschaHM Oct 2017 #41

This is the explanation: kcr Oct 2017 #44

Mallory couldn't be serious with that... Please tell me that ain't real. JHan Oct 2017 #53

Yep. That's what she said. kcr Oct 2017 #111

WHOEVER gave that leftynyc Oct 2017 #57

Wow, what a pantload. How embarrassing is THAT?!?! bettyellen Oct 2017 #108

He's not "the headliner". n/t PoliticAverse Oct 2017 #58

He's not "a woman". nt DesertRat Oct 2017 #72

No, but in pushing a legislative agenda promoting progressive values, he speaks for a lot of women InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #85

I know your argument can't be that no one would listen to a woman... JHan Oct 2017 #94

Of course not... referring only to Bernie. Why you assume the worst of people? InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #95

Because you're missing why there's been such pushback.. JHan Oct 2017 #96

No excuse for making rude comments... all I'm sayin. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #98

Well.. JHan Oct 2017 #100

Apology accepted. And, yes, MANY women do... nothing I said was meant to imply otherwise. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #105

No one's missed the reason for the 'pushback' melman Oct 2017 #102

uh huh JHan Oct 2017 #103

Agreed then melman Oct 2017 #119

....... JHan Oct 2017 #121

You have missed the reason for the pushback. betsuni Oct 2017 #124

No melman Oct 2017 #205

Yeah, why a man, period, makes treestar Oct 2017 #114

The speakers scheduled for the Women's Convention... PoliticAverse Oct 2017 #60

I'm glad some people know how much Sanders has changed the landscape Lordquinton Oct 2017 #63

Yes, it's clearly about honoring Bernie. nt R B Garr Oct 2017 #81

That's what you see? Lordquinton Oct 2017 #88

What's a great disservice to women is to elevate R B Garr Oct 2017 #104

You have that EXACTLY right!! InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #84

Changed the landscape how? LisaM Oct 2017 #208

The Bernie bashers need a new script. romanic Oct 2017 #64

So does the Bernie Is God crowd. (nt) Paladin Oct 2017 #69

Projection melman Oct 2017 #89

Comments like that only serve to further divide us... InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #97

Seriously, Bernie stance on so many progressive issues is extremely beneficial to women. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #83

Thank you Bernie for your beneficence delisen Oct 2017 #137

This is a fucking joke. Glad the Womens March leaders who think they can co-opt the Resistance seaglass Oct 2017 #70

Exactly! The way they've gone about this is co-opting R B Garr Oct 2017 #143

Lots of great speakers. Voltaire2 Oct 2017 #76

K&R! Omaha Steve Oct 2017 #90

Why the keynote speaker on opening night? Beacool Oct 2017 #91

They felt they needed male permission delisen Oct 2017 #160

This subject is like a bad children's version of "Operator" Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2017 #168

Yeah, I already kind of feel like I am living in the twilight zone, but this just smirkymonkey Oct 2017 #216

Post removed Post removed Oct 2017 #92

I can imagine a deeper reason that the organizers may have done this... Ken Burch Oct 2017 #101

"imagine a deeper reason" "mainstream female leadership" LOL ESTABLISHMENT FEMALES CONSPIRACY betsuni Oct 2017 #125

Allow Me To Join You Me. Oct 2017 #157

I wasn't defending the decision. I said in that post they should have gone with Nina instead. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #166

They just broke up the group though. It was a tone deaf move. Nina is speaking. n/t seaglass Oct 2017 #129

i agree that it was tone deaf. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #162

What The Heck Are You Talking About? Me. Oct 2017 #155

I wasn't trying to mansplain and I agree that booking Bernie was a crazy idea. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #164

IMO Me. Oct 2017 #165

I've always agreed that economic justice doesn't outweigh social justice. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #167

The Grass Roots Never Disputed That Me. Oct 2017 #172

+1000 (nt) ehrnst Oct 2017 #173

Hey...Delighted To See You Me. Oct 2017 #176

Back at you! ehrnst Oct 2017 #179

Mainstream. ehrnst Oct 2017 #169

Again, I wasn't defending the decision...I think it was dumb. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #189

Kinda strange how Tamika is all over Twitter pretending that Bernie is not a Ninsianna Oct 2017 #109

Yep, I am wondering about these organizers. Madam45for2923 Oct 2017 #118

About the organizers. ehrnst Oct 2017 #171

Wait a few hours and take a look at their antics on twitter. Ninsianna Oct 2017 #213

Post removed Post removed Oct 2017 #120

I lulz'd KG Oct 2017 #122

Who? LexVegas Oct 2017 #123

Sanders not a revolutionary for women delisen Oct 2017 #134

Here's an interesting development, Mallory's statement that you highlighted above (bold).... George II Oct 2017 #136

Aaaah. eom sheshe2 Oct 2017 #148

Probably because people wrongly assumed and turned that into "keynote" Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2017 #174

No, probably because either the author of the article of Mallory herself realized.... George II Oct 2017 #182

Was Hillary Rodham Clinton even invited???? heaven05 Oct 2017 #139

... sheshe2 Oct 2017 #149

HRC was invited. Harris was invited but is busy fundraising. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2017 #188

WATERS heaven05 Oct 2017 #209

She couldn't go. Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2017 #196

too bad HRC heaven05 Oct 2017 #210

Post removed Post removed Oct 2017 #146

Good god, by the responses in this thread one could think they had invited Rush Limbaugh. redgreenandblue Oct 2017 #151

hmmmmm.....as a woman, i would rather have a woman make that... samnsara Oct 2017 #152

This is fine. White people love Bernie Sanders. underthematrix Oct 2017 #158

Except that his approval rating is higher amongst African Americans than amongst whites. redgreenandblue Oct 2017 #159

You're partly right, Sanders had a favorable rating among African Americans underthematrix Oct 2017 #161

Any Dem is more popular with POC than w white voters- but I'm sure you knew that. bettyellen Oct 2017 #199

That still makes any claim that Sanders is favored by white people...that he's a white person JCanete Oct 2017 #224

I would have picked a woman... Mike Nelson Oct 2017 #201

Bottom line: It's a Women's Convention and a woman should be the keynote speaker. smirkymonkey Oct 2017 #217

And Maxine Waters is the keynote speaker. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2017 #218

eh...as somebody already pointed out, good thing they thought of that and Sanders is not now JCanete Oct 2017 #223

I gotta wash my hair that night. Lil Missy Oct 2017 #242