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134. Sanders not a revolutionary for women

Reply to Hassin Bin Sober (Original post)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 09:26 AM

Oct 2017

He is a reformer of liberals and progressives-a reformer's reformer.

Women need a revolution-we taken reform as far as it can go, and now we are losing what we have gained.

We need to strike out for full human rights because we are the humans-in fact we are the majority of humans.

Sanders is being marketed and packaged like a New Coke product: Feel the Bern! Feel the Bern! They are feeling the bern in the Midwest! they are feeling the bern in California!

Bernie is a new spark plug for democrats! He is also a flagellation whip for when we want to feel the bold scold and beat ourselves up!

What a guy-our caucus guy! Some days he'll beat us and then some days he'll treat us.

He keeps us on our toes and bowls us over at the same time!

Oh brave new world, that has a Bernie in it!

......well you get my drift.

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Bernie Sanders coming to Detroit to deliver opening-night speech at Women's Convention [View all] Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2017 OP

And many, many women are unhappy about it. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2017 #1

Not true. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2017 #5

What's not true, the fact that many women are unhappy about it, or that naming the convention after WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2017 #6

Is his wife going to be there snooper2 Oct 2017 #21

Post removed Post removed Oct 2017 #54

How would you know? pnwmom Oct 2017 #67

Bernie is the most popular politician on the planet. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2017 #68

Yeah, right. This is a woman's convention, not a high school prom. pnwmom Oct 2017 #71

boy o boy o boy do i agree with you.... samnsara Oct 2017 #154

LOL! TexasTowelie Oct 2017 #77

You can say that again... excellent choice!! InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #78

No he isn't. George II Oct 2017 #131

well not so sure about that claim... samnsara Oct 2017 #153

That sounds so much like Trump Trumpocalypse Oct 2017 #180

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10141888323 George II Oct 2017 #74

I guess you've not seen or heard from any women who've been all over Ninsianna Oct 2017 #112

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2017 #233

It is absolutely true. They have received thousands of letters against this. leftofcool Oct 2017 #132

VERY TRUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! heaven05 Oct 2017 #138

many many women is probably accurate. How many in a ballpark number would you venture a guess are JCanete Oct 2017 #45

They got over a million letters against it. leftofcool Oct 2017 #133

wait, is he delivering the opening speech, or just a speech on opening night? if the latter, what JCanete Oct 2017 #186

+ 1 musette_sf Oct 2017 #48

And many women are outraged about it. nt Maven Oct 2017 #2

+ 1 musette_sf Oct 2017 #49

Beyond STUPID leftynyc Oct 2017 #3

Sounds like you have a tight circle. From previous polling, it looks like he's pretty popular among JCanete Oct 2017 #46

Has nothing to do with Bernie leftynyc Oct 2017 #52

that's fair. nt JCanete Oct 2017 #55

The organizers are also those who deliberately shunned Clinton at their Women's March in January. George II Oct 2017 #75

Yup leftynyc Oct 2017 #117

Kamela was invited but is too busy fundraising that weekend. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2017 #181

Then they're smarter than I thought leftynyc Oct 2017 #184

Lol. I figured as much. is that what we are going with now? Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2017 #185

Now? I haven't had any leftynyc Oct 2017 #190

This is going to enrage some. Orsino Oct 2017 #4

Oh, he will... Bernie always does! InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #79

He probably needs to turn down the headliner role. He's at the center of too much divisiveness... brush Oct 2017 #86

Post removed Post removed Oct 2017 #7

when did he ever denounce planned parenthood? That never happened. Saying it is connected to the JCanete Oct 2017 #47

Calling a beleaguered Women's Health Organization "establishment" was tone-deaf and petty emulatorloo Oct 2017 #87

I am unaware of anything even remotely close. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #99

You claim he called them "establishment" in a good way? LOL that's rich. bettyellen Oct 2017 #107

LOL, I said no such thing. You must have me confused w/ someone else... apology accepted. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #145

Well then he did but you just never heard of it? Hard to believe, and no apology was offered.... bettyellen Oct 2017 #198

LOL!! Your mind reading skills are amazing!! InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #211

Good reminder. Planned Parenthood's endorsement of Hillary revealed how shallow R B Garr Oct 2017 #65

Many women are speaking out against this decision. DesertRat Oct 2017 #8

Thank you Joy! sheshe2 Oct 2017 #9

Is that the same Joy Reid who called Hillary insane and the white people's candidate in 2008? Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2017 #20

This message was self-deleted by its author emulatorloo Oct 2017 #23

HSB, have any of your opinions changed over the years? irisblue Oct 2017 #24

Sorry I have a long memory. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2017 #29

I don't care about 2016. What I do care about is Sen Sander's views on identity politcs Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #39

+ 1 musette_sf Oct 2017 #50

This! Ninsianna Oct 2017 #116

First, this is 2017 not 2008. sheshe2 Oct 2017 #43

Yup, THAT Joy Reid. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #82

It's weird how obsessed people are with 2008, when in 2017 Ninsianna Oct 2017 #113

There are some folks who use whataboutism at every opportunity. nt stevenleser Oct 2017 #126

Whataboutism has become... Charlotte Little Oct 2017 #150

Exactly and certain folks seem to use it repeatedly. DUers need to all fire back when it is used stevenleser Oct 2017 #156

I guess when you lack facts, and have no argument but feel the need to spout off Ninsianna Oct 2017 #214

We could discuss the things that Sanders has said over the years, but we know what would happen. George II Oct 2017 #127

That person would object to whataboutisms being used in those circumstances stevenleser Oct 2017 #130

Whataboutisms do not answer the point, they distract. nt stevenleser Oct 2017 #128

This message was self-deleted by its author Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2017 #163

I don't recall Joy Reid saying anything like that. Please point us to it if she did. Thanks. George II Oct 2017 #140

Even if that is true, which I have seen no evidence of... sheshe2 Oct 2017 #141

The only references I've seen of her "saying" that are on a TYT video and an obscure blog.... George II Oct 2017 #144

Those are the only mentions I found as well, George. sheshe2 Oct 2017 #147

Joy Reid was/is heaven05 Oct 2017 #142

Wow! That last one... pretty bad. (Thanks for sharing.) NurseJackie Oct 2017 #18

I Wonder If He'll Read Me. Oct 2017 #32

I don't know about most women, but I just lovenhaving a guy who thinks womens issues are divisive boston bean Oct 2017 #10

The Women's Convention uses"Reclaiming My Time" as a tag line but doesn't have Maxine as the opener. DesertRat Oct 2017 #11

I do not know what they were thinking. eom sheshe2 Oct 2017 #13

I have a good guess DesertRat Oct 2017 #14

Deeper one digs the more it looks like an Our Revolution event emulatorloo Oct 2017 #22

Spot on. nt DesertRat Oct 2017 #25

I don't care...this ruins the convention and causes division. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #38

Why is it divisive? Because he's male and the march should have a female speaker or something else? JCanete Oct 2017 #51

Yes, a woman's convention should have a woman head line speaker...like Maxine Waters. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #66

Yes because he is male and has made comments about Planned parenthood and Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #115

First, it looks like Maxine Waters is delivering the keynote, not Sanders. Second, I understand his JCanete Oct 2017 #192

He is delivering the opening night's speech...totally pissed about this. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #193

Kamela Harris was invited but she is busy that weekend. She is fundraising. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2017 #177

Link? tammywammy Oct 2017 #183

There's lots of info out there. Like how Maxine Waters is the keynote. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2017 #187

That is meaningless to me...plenty of other good women. He called planned parenthood establishment Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #194

This message was self-deleted by its author Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2017 #178

Yeah, I just noticed that, too. LisaM Oct 2017 #62

Exactly that! EffieBlack Oct 2017 #106

If he does this, we will lose. I hope he understands he cannot win a primary and will only hurt our Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #40

No, they only have her as the keynote speaker. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2017 #175

The opening speech is a big deal DesertRat Oct 2017 #191

Probably because he's the most beloved politician on the planet. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2017 #195

Exactly. He should have thanked them for the offer.... LisaM Oct 2017 #12

The Onion summed it up well DesertRat Oct 2017 #15

Sort out of like all those guys writing legislation regarding womens health. boston bean Oct 2017 #16

Not his fault that he is loved or that he was invited Not Ruth Oct 2017 #30

Well, the organizer, or one of them, seems to be the same woman who left Hillary off LisaM Oct 2017 #33

Oh please. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2017 #36

I don't think you understand how upsetting this is to many of us. LisaM Oct 2017 #42

He COULD have done it with grace leftynyc Oct 2017 #56

Actually, I would finally give his sense of judgement some credit. Starry Messenger Oct 2017 #93

This message was self-deleted by its author JonLP24 Oct 2017 #135

Judging from the response, he is not loved by everyone. I have respect for Sen. Sanders but I do not Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #37

Given the backlash and the upset, it's silly to pretend he's "loved" Ninsianna Oct 2017 #110

who are running the women's convention, men? Was it guys who booked Sanders? Serious JCanete Oct 2017 #207

It's a bunch of people who seem to be deliberately deaf to what women Ninsianna Oct 2017 #215

I didn't assume it, which is why I asked the question. Given that you were saying these guys JCanete Oct 2017 #222

I know that nit picking definitions seems to be quite popular here, but Ninsianna Oct 2017 #231

totally like that! except that among a whole bunch of speakers, he and one other person are the only JCanete Oct 2017 #206

I can't believe they picked Sen. Sanders who has spoken against identity issues. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #35

Well the irony of this thread is a guy 'mansplaining' about why they need a guy 'mansplaining' grantcart Oct 2017 #221

This has to be satire. Weekend Warrior Oct 2017 #17

I would have loved to see Maxine as the opening speaker.. that would have been a real crowd puller. JHan Oct 2017 #19

Yep, organizer's announcement of this getting lots of pushback on twitter. emulatorloo Oct 2017 #26

Maxine is the keynote speaker. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2017 #204

She's one of the speakers at the convention. n/t PoliticAverse Oct 2017 #59

Yes, I'm aware of that. JHan Oct 2017 #61

Yes, Maxine never fails to disappoint... love her to death!! InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #80

I'm sure you meant that insult, too. bettyellen Oct 2017 #200

Love 'em both... how is that an insult?! InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #212

"Never fails to disappoint" means always disappointing. LOL. bettyellen Oct 2017 #219

Sorry, but it's an idiom expression... InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #220

It is an idiom but it means you're disappointed. Leave out the fails next time if you mean to praise bettyellen Oct 2017 #225

Thanx for splainin... I'll try to be more grammatically correct next time, so as not to offend you. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #226

It's about saying offensive things about Maxine, not about my feelings at all. bettyellen Oct 2017 #227

You really should listen to YOURself... have you ever made a mistake in your life? InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #228

You didn't say that. You said she never fails to (that means "always") bettyellen Oct 2017 #229

bettyellen, I can only hope that, one day, I'll be as perfect as you... InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #232

Not sure why you've been so rude about it- but at least your not claiming that statement meant bettyellen Oct 2017 #234

What's rude is your steadfast refusal to take someone at his word that, indeed, my prior statement InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #235

It's not grammar. It's meaning- words have meaning, but yeah.... whatever. bettyellen Oct 2017 #236

Yes, but if an idiom can have different meanings, why would you... InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #237

It doesn't have two meanings. Never did. Sorry for your confusion. bettyellen Oct 2017 #238

Well bettyellen, YOU definitely never fail to disappoint, that's for damn sure... InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #239

I never once said you were a "bad guy" while you insulted me over and over again.... bettyellen Oct 2017 #240

LOL, nice try... but I DO appreciate your candid statement InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #241

Let's see GaryCnf Oct 2017 #27

Thank you Detroit Democrats saidsimplesimon Oct 2017 #28

I'll be in the Detroit area that day. LisaM Oct 2017 #34

i wish i could be there questionseverything Oct 2017 #73

kicking for this ↑ "we are stronger together" OxQQme Oct 2017 #170

i supported bernie in the primaries but questionseverything Oct 2017 #202

There's a problem many women have w Sanders support of candidates against choice.... bettyellen Oct 2017 #230

Yup, stronger together. This ragefest about Sanders speaking is crazy Arazi Oct 2017 #197

tone deaf for sure. niyad Oct 2017 #31

+1 Lucinda Oct 2017 #203

So a man is a headliner for the first national Women's Convention in 40 years... SaschaHM Oct 2017 #41

This is the explanation: kcr Oct 2017 #44

Mallory couldn't be serious with that... Please tell me that ain't real. JHan Oct 2017 #53

Yep. That's what she said. kcr Oct 2017 #111

WHOEVER gave that leftynyc Oct 2017 #57

Wow, what a pantload. How embarrassing is THAT?!?! bettyellen Oct 2017 #108

He's not "the headliner". n/t PoliticAverse Oct 2017 #58

He's not "a woman". nt DesertRat Oct 2017 #72

No, but in pushing a legislative agenda promoting progressive values, he speaks for a lot of women InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #85

I know your argument can't be that no one would listen to a woman... JHan Oct 2017 #94

Of course not... referring only to Bernie. Why you assume the worst of people? InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #95

Because you're missing why there's been such pushback.. JHan Oct 2017 #96

No excuse for making rude comments... all I'm sayin. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #98

Well.. JHan Oct 2017 #100

Apology accepted. And, yes, MANY women do... nothing I said was meant to imply otherwise. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #105

No one's missed the reason for the 'pushback' melman Oct 2017 #102

uh huh JHan Oct 2017 #103

Agreed then melman Oct 2017 #119

....... JHan Oct 2017 #121

You have missed the reason for the pushback. betsuni Oct 2017 #124

No melman Oct 2017 #205

Yeah, why a man, period, makes treestar Oct 2017 #114

The speakers scheduled for the Women's Convention... PoliticAverse Oct 2017 #60

I'm glad some people know how much Sanders has changed the landscape Lordquinton Oct 2017 #63

Yes, it's clearly about honoring Bernie. nt R B Garr Oct 2017 #81

That's what you see? Lordquinton Oct 2017 #88

What's a great disservice to women is to elevate R B Garr Oct 2017 #104

You have that EXACTLY right!! InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #84

Changed the landscape how? LisaM Oct 2017 #208

The Bernie bashers need a new script. romanic Oct 2017 #64

So does the Bernie Is God crowd. (nt) Paladin Oct 2017 #69

Projection melman Oct 2017 #89

Comments like that only serve to further divide us... InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #97

Seriously, Bernie stance on so many progressive issues is extremely beneficial to women. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #83

Thank you Bernie for your beneficence delisen Oct 2017 #137

This is a fucking joke. Glad the Womens March leaders who think they can co-opt the Resistance seaglass Oct 2017 #70

Exactly! The way they've gone about this is co-opting R B Garr Oct 2017 #143

Lots of great speakers. Voltaire2 Oct 2017 #76

K&R! Omaha Steve Oct 2017 #90

Why the keynote speaker on opening night? Beacool Oct 2017 #91

They felt they needed male permission delisen Oct 2017 #160

This subject is like a bad children's version of "Operator" Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2017 #168

Yeah, I already kind of feel like I am living in the twilight zone, but this just smirkymonkey Oct 2017 #216

Post removed Post removed Oct 2017 #92

I can imagine a deeper reason that the organizers may have done this... Ken Burch Oct 2017 #101

"imagine a deeper reason" "mainstream female leadership" LOL ESTABLISHMENT FEMALES CONSPIRACY betsuni Oct 2017 #125

Allow Me To Join You Me. Oct 2017 #157

I wasn't defending the decision. I said in that post they should have gone with Nina instead. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #166

They just broke up the group though. It was a tone deaf move. Nina is speaking. n/t seaglass Oct 2017 #129

i agree that it was tone deaf. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #162

What The Heck Are You Talking About? Me. Oct 2017 #155

I wasn't trying to mansplain and I agree that booking Bernie was a crazy idea. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #164

IMO Me. Oct 2017 #165

I've always agreed that economic justice doesn't outweigh social justice. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #167

The Grass Roots Never Disputed That Me. Oct 2017 #172

+1000 (nt) ehrnst Oct 2017 #173

Hey...Delighted To See You Me. Oct 2017 #176

Back at you! ehrnst Oct 2017 #179

Mainstream. ehrnst Oct 2017 #169

Again, I wasn't defending the decision...I think it was dumb. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #189

Kinda strange how Tamika is all over Twitter pretending that Bernie is not a Ninsianna Oct 2017 #109

Yep, I am wondering about these organizers. Madam45for2923 Oct 2017 #118

About the organizers. ehrnst Oct 2017 #171

Wait a few hours and take a look at their antics on twitter. Ninsianna Oct 2017 #213

Post removed Post removed Oct 2017 #120

I lulz'd KG Oct 2017 #122

Who? LexVegas Oct 2017 #123

Sanders not a revolutionary for women delisen Oct 2017 #134

Here's an interesting development, Mallory's statement that you highlighted above (bold).... George II Oct 2017 #136

Aaaah. eom sheshe2 Oct 2017 #148

Probably because people wrongly assumed and turned that into "keynote" Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2017 #174

No, probably because either the author of the article of Mallory herself realized.... George II Oct 2017 #182

Was Hillary Rodham Clinton even invited???? heaven05 Oct 2017 #139

... sheshe2 Oct 2017 #149

HRC was invited. Harris was invited but is busy fundraising. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2017 #188

WATERS heaven05 Oct 2017 #209

She couldn't go. Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2017 #196

too bad HRC heaven05 Oct 2017 #210

Post removed Post removed Oct 2017 #146

Good god, by the responses in this thread one could think they had invited Rush Limbaugh. redgreenandblue Oct 2017 #151

hmmmmm.....as a woman, i would rather have a woman make that... samnsara Oct 2017 #152

This is fine. White people love Bernie Sanders. underthematrix Oct 2017 #158

Except that his approval rating is higher amongst African Americans than amongst whites. redgreenandblue Oct 2017 #159

You're partly right, Sanders had a favorable rating among African Americans underthematrix Oct 2017 #161

Any Dem is more popular with POC than w white voters- but I'm sure you knew that. bettyellen Oct 2017 #199

That still makes any claim that Sanders is favored by white people...that he's a white person JCanete Oct 2017 #224

I would have picked a woman... Mike Nelson Oct 2017 #201

Bottom line: It's a Women's Convention and a woman should be the keynote speaker. smirkymonkey Oct 2017 #217

And Maxine Waters is the keynote speaker. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2017 #218

eh...as somebody already pointed out, good thing they thought of that and Sanders is not now JCanete Oct 2017 #223

I gotta wash my hair that night. Lil Missy Oct 2017 #242