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92. No one is telling women how they should feel.

Reply to smirkymonkey (Reply #86)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 03:44 PM

Oct 2017

But many men recognize how important these issues are, and how conservatives use these human issues as wedge issues.

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Bernie speaking on 1st day at Women's conference is a great idea & it's easy to show why... [View all] guillaumeb Oct 2017 OP

He referred to women's issues as a "distraction" DURHAM D Oct 2017 #1

This message was self-deleted by its author yallerdawg Oct 2017 #7

Please provide context for this assertion. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #8

I've seen that a number of times in my internet travels. Can't post it on DU however. George II Oct 2017 #21

Yes, we understand, guillaumeb Oct 2017 #29

I doubt that you do. I hadnt remembered this so I researched it. stevenleser Oct 2017 #62

I also researched it. Or tried to research it guillaumeb Oct 2017 #70

Then you didn't really try. There is an actual statement by Sanders involved. nt stevenleser Oct 2017 #73

Feel free to send a link. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #75

See my #62. At this point we're going in circles. nt stevenleser Oct 2017 #76

"We" are not going in circles. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #77

There are lots of things he said that underline this. Adrahil Oct 2017 #94

But that is not at all the same as what was alleged. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #98

That's been dogmatic socialist thought Adrahil Oct 2017 #157

I see it as divide to conquer. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #159

Make sure all of the people are afforded saftey from all forms Jim Beard Oct 2017 #218

Did you read that article? sheshe2 Oct 2017 #200

Hi sheshe guillaumeb Oct 2017 #205

Actually I was referring to Adrahils link here, Guill. sheshe2 Oct 2017 #217

No problem, I misunderstood. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #219

Wow, not true. That deleted post was a video of R B Garr Oct 2017 #99

Feel free to send a link. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #101

No, one doesn't have to misrepresent the content R B Garr Oct 2017 #115

I read the post prior to its deletion. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #119

You did not "read" that deleted post--it was a video R B Garr Oct 2017 #134

Yes, there was a one line comment. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #141

That was not what the comment was. Wow at the R B Garr Oct 2017 #152

Your tactic is quite clear. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #153

By your standards, post #35 doesn't exist because there is no link to it, lol R B Garr Oct 2017 #190

I did, and the Boston Globe article read in part, as follows: guillaumeb Oct 2017 #191

My "arguments" consisted of correcting your bizarre musings about a deleted post that R B Garr Oct 2017 #222

I sent one via DU Mail George II Oct 2017 #171

I received it and it was behind a subscription wall. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #207

An "opinion piece" based on points of fact. She didn't write "I think he said". George II Oct 2017 #211

Well, she wrote: guillaumeb Oct 2017 #212

That is almost exactly what he says himself. It's quite accurate, and you would know R B Garr Oct 2017 #225

No, it definitely is NOT what was suggested here. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #229

You don't get to rewrite the entire history of his R B Garr Oct 2017 #232

What IS tedious guillaumeb Oct 2017 #233

Bernie's own words have been linked. Enough of this. R B Garr Oct 2017 #235

It is not the source others are talkin about, yet when he ran for Gov, in 1986 he said it. sheshe2 Oct 2017 #162

That's an op-ed melman Oct 2017 #166

ah, so it is not true then... sheshe2 Oct 2017 #168

If there were a quote melman Oct 2017 #169

ah. sheshe2 Oct 2017 #172

The op-ed doesn't even assert that it was said melman Oct 2017 #173

As they say, you can lead a horse to water.................... George II Oct 2017 #184

And that's the issue, no matter what anyone says its "discredited" or "that's not it", etc.... George II Oct 2017 #179

The original claim melman Oct 2017 #182

Whatever. George II Oct 2017 #183

There's an article about it on the Boston Globe site and other sources. George II Oct 2017 #167

Post the sources then. Easy right? Arazi Oct 2017 #186

... sheshe2 Oct 2017 #187

This message was self-deleted by its author Eliot Rosewater Oct 2017 #210

it's not hard to see how this distortion of his words came about Bucky Oct 2017 #35

And unsourced allegations must be given all the credibility that they deserve. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #78

Likewise, I've yet to see a credible source for this... wonder why? InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #109

Speaking for myself only, perhaps my research skills are deficient. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #113

It doesn't exist melman Oct 2017 #122

It exists H2O Man Oct 2017 #132

+1000 Eom Arazi Oct 2017 #170

It wasn't a speech. George II Oct 2017 #203

And in 2008, the 2016 Democratic nominee used the assassination of RFK Chasstev365 Oct 2017 #82

Hard to believe she really said that. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #103

SHE DID! Chasstev365 Oct 2017 #118

I know she did... thankfully, Obama went on to make us all proud. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #174

Gotcha. Agreed! Chasstev365 Oct 2017 #175

This. xmas74 Oct 2017 #236

THANKS, guill. elleng Oct 2017 #2

Pas de quoi. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #80

Ah oui. elleng Oct 2017 #155

How about attending and Listening! delisen Oct 2017 #3

That is a fantastic idea lunamagica Oct 2017 #5

A powerful statement mcar Oct 2017 #9

Can we not all learn from each other? guillaumeb Oct 2017 #12

We can all learn from each other---but historically, women do that. Men do not; particularly listen BlancheSplanchnik Oct 2017 #30

I agree. Men often do not really listen to other voices in a conversation. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #107

Yep. I didn't say what I think of Bernie being the keynote. BlancheSplanchnik Oct 2017 #144

I might have suggested Kamala Harris. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #148

He is the opening speaker, and a woman should be the opening speaker. pnwmom Oct 2017 #104

The organizers felt otherwise. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #108

Sanders should bow out. He's in the middle of too much divisiveness as it is don't you think? brush Oct 2017 #123

But if he did refuse to speak, guillaumeb Oct 2017 #126

How about he take the stage, say I'm here to listen, then take a seat in the audience? brush Oct 2017 #133

That is a possible thread winner. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #139

Agreed. brush Oct 2017 #145

The organizers should have told folks before the time to get a refund passed...I am out over $100.00 Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #163

I can understand your anger, and I sympathize. eom guillaumeb Oct 2017 #181

It's a women's conference mcar Oct 2017 #117

Organized by women. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #120

I believe they made a mistake mcar Oct 2017 #124

I understand, and I am not saying that I totally disagree. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #128

Thank you mcar Oct 2017 #129

Do you counsel all men to be silent in the face of misogyny? guillaumeb Oct 2017 #10

I agree... this should be an issue we can ALL agree upon and unite against. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #105

It should be. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #110

Absolutely!! InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #112

Men have always participated and delisen Oct 2017 #146

How about listening to the actual real-life activists who put the convention together? Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2017 #14

Thank you, I kinda thought that MuseRider Oct 2017 #20

Well spoken. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #31

Do you think that Bernie will stick around to listen to the speeches of the activists TexasTowelie Oct 2017 #74

mansplaining BainsBane Oct 2017 #199

I'm not insisting anyone speak. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2017 #208

There are many activists who do not agree with the choice BainsBane Oct 2017 #226

Yes, it would be a great idea. (nt) ehrnst Oct 2017 #23

That would be a novelty. nt Kahuna7 Oct 2017 #102

To be fair, some people were invited to attend lapucelle Oct 2017 #177

I'm pretty excited about going and hearing as many as I can Arazi Oct 2017 #4

Of course we are. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #11

I agree. I will be there to listen and learn as much as I can. likesmountains 52 Oct 2017 #13

You won't be learning much from Bernie. murielm99 Oct 2017 #42

I can always learn something. likesmountains 52 Oct 2017 #223

Agree. (n/t) SMC22307 Oct 2017 #6

Whatever. I have cancelled my plans to go leftofcool Oct 2017 #15

That's too bad. You will be missing out. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2017 #18

I was excited until I found out men were speaking. leftofcool Oct 2017 #50

I can understand it if Trump were speaking, but this is Bernie Not Ruth Oct 2017 #81

Is he not a man? leftofcool Oct 2017 #156

I respect your opinion, but disagree... we need to rally around what unites us. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #176

You might miss an opportunity to network and learn. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #32

You should go and let your displeasure be known during the speech. SaschaHM Oct 2017 #96

Not interested in protesting when no one is listening. leftofcool Oct 2017 #158

Not in the slightest, but I think the speaker should be booed heavily. SaschaHM Oct 2017 #164

I cancelled too. The organizer shows a real lack of judgement. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #165

There are peeps who so hate Sanders that if he said breathing was a good thing... LostOne4Ever Oct 2017 #16

As Frank Zappa wisely said: guillaumeb Oct 2017 #33

Would Bernie have agreed to go if his speech wasn't put in such a prominent position pnwmom Oct 2017 #17

It's kind of hard to downplay his speech. He's the most beloved active politician on the planet. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2017 #19

"most beloved active politician on the planet." Link? n/t tammywammy Oct 2017 #25

That's such hyperbole. It isn't even a fact in the US, much less "the planet." pnwmom Oct 2017 #27

And we as a country passed Kerry up for W. Blackwell in Ohio must have gotten a huge deposit... brush Oct 2017 #142

No he isn't. George II Oct 2017 #39

But the (D) is STILL lacking. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #41

Sanders promoters seem to make everything about delisen Oct 2017 #140

I was a Sanders supporter. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #147

I know that is not true. murielm99 Oct 2017 #44

Oh wow, just wow lunamagica Oct 2017 #64

On The Planet? Me. Oct 2017 #69

LOL! TexasTowelie Oct 2017 #71

Maxine does not need a "warmup" act. leftofcool Oct 2017 #79

Would the same comments be posted if it were another male? guillaumeb Oct 2017 #34

YES. No man should give the opening speech at a woman's conference. pnwmom Oct 2017 #49

The organizers of this event obviously did not agree. eom guillaumeb Oct 2017 #54

Whoever made the decision must have thought it was a wise one. Many women disagree. n/t pnwmom Oct 2017 #58

Who is obviously arguing the organizers did agree? LanternWaste Oct 2017 #237

Thank YOU! smirkymonkey Oct 2017 #83

Oh please. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2017 #97

no thanks Skittles Oct 2017 #22

Amazing How Unpopular Fighting For Economic Justice Is Here SeattlePop Oct 2017 #24

let me get out my xray glasses Skittles Oct 2017 #26

Welcome to DU, and the discussion. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #36

You are too intelligent to pretend this dif of opinion means DU'ers are against Economic Justice emulatorloo Oct 2017 #114

I did not make the charge, but the lack of the letter is a huge issue for some. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #116

You endorsed the sentiment and rewarded it. emulatorloo Oct 2017 #127

My actual response was to extend a welcome, something that I received quite a bit guillaumeb Oct 2017 #135

Thanks for clarifying appreciate it emulatorloo Oct 2017 #138

And you. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #143

Every fucking DUer is for economic justice emulatorloo Oct 2017 #111

I love how people here who love Maxine Waters, are refusing to attend because Sanders is speaking. JCanete Oct 2017 #28

All part of the reaction to another stolen election. eom guillaumeb Oct 2017 #37

Bernie has never stood for women's issues. murielm99 Oct 2017 #38

Name me a politician with no detractors. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #43

The only people demanding purity tests murielm99 Oct 2017 #46

My statement stands unrefuted, or unanswered. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #48

What statement? murielm99 Oct 2017 #52

#43 guillaumeb Oct 2017 #56

We didn't need a politician with no detractors. We did need a WOMAN to open the WOMEN"s convention. pnwmom Oct 2017 #53

They keep steering around that point. I wonder why? stevenleser Oct 2017 #68

We all know why. SaschaHM Oct 2017 #95

I answered you. murielm99 Oct 2017 #60

I was asking for a name. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #65

"But that's not important" MrsCoffee Oct 2017 #40

If one asks 10 people, there might be 10 so-called "litmus tests" guillaumeb Oct 2017 #45

I believe all candidates should be challenged. murielm99 Oct 2017 #47

As we should. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #51

No Democrat should take an anti-abortion position. murielm99 Oct 2017 #55

Google Daniel Lipinski, from the 3rd Illinois District. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #59

You realize you just made the case for not allowing anti-choice candidates in the party. MrsCoffee Oct 2017 #61

See #63 guillaumeb Oct 2017 #66

I've seen all I need to see, thanks. MrsCoffee Oct 2017 #67

It might not be the explanation that you wanted, but it is political reality in the US. eom guillaumeb Oct 2017 #72

Bernie passes your test then, but the Democratic Party doesn't insist that all Democrats do n/t Tom Rinaldo Oct 2017 #88

That wouldn't be the choice if we stuck to our party platform. MrsCoffee Oct 2017 #57

US parties are not parliamentary type parties. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #63

So that rules out Nancy Pelosi then Tom Rinaldo Oct 2017 #87

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2017 #84

Welcome to DU, and the conversation. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #89

Saw Bernie Speak 3 Times Billsmile Oct 2017 #85

Agreed, an economic issue that is used to divide workers. eom guillaumeb Oct 2017 #91

Women don't just need equal pay. They need to have their voices heard. pnwmom Oct 2017 #106

God, if there is one thing I am so sick and tired of it is men telling women how smirkymonkey Oct 2017 #86

No one is telling women how they should feel. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #92

You're telling women who think a man opening a Women's Conference is tone-deaf and a bad idea emulatorloo Oct 2017 #125

I make no claim of right or wrong. I do not feel that it applies. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #131

Of course emulatorloo Oct 2017 #136

DURec SixString Oct 2017 #90

Thank you. eom guillaumeb Oct 2017 #93

Post removed Post removed Oct 2017 #100

Okay. Thank you for your input. eom guillaumeb Oct 2017 #121

Recommended. H2O Man Oct 2017 #130

Thank you. So far it is an excellent discussion. eom guillaumeb Oct 2017 #137

We could have had a woman president RandySF Oct 2017 #149

Absent voter suppression, and gerrymandering, guillaumeb Oct 2017 #150

It seems it's gotten the Women's Conference a lot more publicity than it otherwise would have gotten PoliticAverse Oct 2017 #151

And probably not a bad result either. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #154

While this all looks fascinating, we have elections coming up in a few weeks. RandySF Oct 2017 #160

True. And many coming in 2018, 2019, and 2020. eom guillaumeb Oct 2017 #178

How nice of you to tell me which rights I'm supposed to care about BainsBane Oct 2017 #161

If I in fact were telling anyone that, I would accept your comment. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #180

I understand they are women BainsBane Oct 2017 #192

First, I titled it as a great idea, not a perfect idea. An important distinction. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #198

Depriortizing abortion rights BainsBane Oct 2017 #214

My post made it clear that I was expressing my personal opinion. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #216

"the $100k they took from women under false pretenses." JI7 Oct 2017 #224

it was totally inappropriate...women cant have anything... samnsara Oct 2017 #185

There were several women speakers at the Million Man march Arazi Oct 2017 #188

Was the keynote speaker a woman? BainsBane Oct 2017 #193

No, but Rosa Parks was. Is that OK with you? nt USALiberal Oct 2017 #196

She was the headline speaker at the Million Man March? BainsBane Oct 2017 #204

OK, so she doesn't count as a women. I get it. Maya Angelou was there too. Not a woman? nt USALiberal Oct 2017 #220

The keynote speaker at this conference is Maxine Waters Arazi Oct 2017 #197

False BainsBane Oct 2017 #202

Maxine Waters is the keynote speaker Arazi Oct 2017 #206

We all have different needs. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #209

Thanks. This everlasting grudge v Bernie is probs my last hurrah here Arazi Oct 2017 #213

Unity is far more important than endless argument over what makes an authentic Democrat. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #215

Unity would consist of men whom heartedly prioritizing a woman's right to autonomy bettyellen Oct 2017 #227

And as I began, in the body of the post: guillaumeb Oct 2017 #230

Sanders has been problematic in his willingness to deprioritize and dismiss women's health concerns. bettyellen Oct 2017 #234

Perhaps you should address this complaint to the conference organizers. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #189

You are arguing on their behalf BainsBane Oct 2017 #194

The word perfect is a misreading of the title of the post. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #201

Wow, many women spoke at the million man march. Do some research before posting. nt USALiberal Oct 2017 #195

Montpelier #WomensMarch - Bernie Sanders' Speech (Complete) Donkees Oct 2017 #221

Thank you. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #228

This episode is not unlike the previous episode of Sen. Sanders agreeing to debate Graham, Cassidy Donkees Oct 2017 #231