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240. Yes. She didn't correct the reporter who used the word "headliner" to refer to Bernie,

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 05:24 PM

Oct 2017

as reported in an article on October 12.

Being one of a "lot of other people" at the conference isn't equivalent to being the opening speaker or the headliner.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/10/12/bernie-sanders-speech-womens-convention/756825001/

When Women's March co-founder Tamika Mallory was asked: "People are going to say, wait a minute, there’s a man as the headliner at the Women’s Convention, the first women’s convention in 40 years?" she replied:

"I would say that (U.S. Rep.) Maxine Waters is also coming to the conference, and we know she has been a very, very powerful voice in terms of all we’ve seen happening in terms of this administration, particularly, and she’ll be at the conference as well. And a lot of other people have been invited to the conference and we’re hoping to hear back from these folks. Thankfully, SenatorSanders has agreed to attend."

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Bernie speaking on 1st day at Women's conference is a horrible idea & it's easy to show why... [View all] stevenleser Oct 2017 OP

umm the conference WANTED him to speak and its their conference after all nt msongs Oct 2017 #1

That's your answer? It's a conference about women. The organizers don't own that. nt stevenleser Oct 2017 #2

Who has the right... tonedevil Oct 2017 #5

When it is about a diversity group? The members of that diversity group. nt stevenleser Oct 2017 #16

Did the organizers... tonedevil Oct 2017 #21

This isn't that complicated. It's all in the OP. nt stevenleser Oct 2017 #23

Not really. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #251

No they didn't have to ask permission radical noodle Oct 2017 #105

The organizers of the Women's March weren't mostly WOC. Why do you say "apparently" this group is? pnwmom Oct 2017 #136

The tweet... tonedevil Oct 2017 #236

There were 4 organizers, including two white women, one Latina, and an African American. n/t pnwmom Oct 2017 #239

Thank you... tonedevil Oct 2017 #243

I haven't seen anything that explains who issued the invite or how. n/t pnwmom Oct 2017 #246

Have to agree with you there... they must've had good reasons for inviting Bernie to speak. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #33

They really didn't. Everything you see that they have come out with on this says the opposite. stevenleser Oct 2017 #37

I can understand there being some people who were not in favor of hearing from Bernie... InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #42

Meanwhile, this decision has brought a lot more attention to their event. thesquanderer Oct 2017 #108

Or not. A lot of women seem to be asking for their $300 back. Seems they think their issues stevenleser Oct 2017 #109

Could you have lived with them inviting Nina Turner? Ken Burch Oct 2017 #242

Sure. Those would have been reasonable choices. stevenleser Oct 2017 #268

Post removed Post removed Oct 2017 #244

There's nothing in that photo that "says the opposite". Ken Burch Oct 2017 #252

Well the people they charged $300 per ticket that they defrauded by Ninsianna Oct 2017 #91

does the 300 dollars include a Hotel , travel and whatever costs of getting there ? JI7 Oct 2017 #116

No, I was going for the day...you can buy day tickets. But I won't go now. To have Sen. Sanders Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #159

You might want to check out the comments of some of those other "honored" speakers Ninsianna Oct 2017 #273

Wow..not going. I am incensed at how this was done...they deliberately waited until you couldn't get Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #275

Nasty right? Ninsianna Oct 2017 #280

Since I was going anyway...I will keep my eyes peeled. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #281

Nope. Ninsianna Oct 2017 #272

It's NOT a conference about women, that would be simplistic and limited Not Ruth Oct 2017 #6

u ruined his mansplainin questionseverything Oct 2017 #11

Nope, Bernie will be the one mansplaining, and the conference organizers enabled it. nt stevenleser Oct 2017 #17

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2017 #149

It actually is that simple. stevenleser Oct 2017 #18

That is a fine example... tonedevil Oct 2017 #25

They actually do share my opinion and knew the choice was a controversial one stevenleser Oct 2017 #35

I don't think you understand... tonedevil Oct 2017 #38

No, I don't think YOU understand. They knew these opinions existed among women when they made the stevenleser Oct 2017 #40

Apparently... tonedevil Oct 2017 #55

It was a very bad decision. And I have to wonder if it is about selling tickets...at $300.00 a pop Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #163

You say this as if there is a group that would get collective 100% support mythology Oct 2017 #177

This flailing really does not become any of you trying to support this decision. stevenleser Oct 2017 #226

I did it intentionally and no it wasn't "flailing" as you inaccurately put it. mythology Oct 2017 #270

Thank you, Not Ruth True Dough Oct 2017 #56

I had intended to go up for the day...but I let my hotel go because I want nothing to do with this. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #161

"that the rise of the woman IS the rise of the nation." How do you get that it "Is NOT a conference emulatorloo Oct 2017 #213

Yes it is. The percentage of female speakers addressing the conference highlights female leadership Tom Rinaldo Oct 2017 #238

Listen to the actual organizers Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2017 #7

truly embarrassing to see them try to insulate themselves from criticism that way. bettyellen Oct 2017 #96

And embarrassing to see some DUers who have never been interested in any diversity issues stevenleser Oct 2017 #224

There are people who twist things for political "gain" and I think they lose in the end.... bettyellen Oct 2017 #267

Thanks elleng Oct 2017 #128

That's my answer, too. nt babylonsister Oct 2017 #19

And it is still a bad answer. nt stevenleser Oct 2017 #20

When does this happen? I am now curious to babylonsister Oct 2017 #28

It's a good opportunity for him to lay out how women's' issues fit into his worldview emulatorloo Oct 2017 #209

Well you certainly don't own it either, stevenleser. appal_jack Oct 2017 #122

And I am sure you are going to tell us all how reciting that obvious factoid stevenleser Oct 2017 #125

And you do? Ken Burch Oct 2017 #241

Not "the conference." The majority of the handful of organizers of the conference. n/t pnwmom Oct 2017 #53

And the women who made the conference possible resoundingly shouted their disagreement Ninsianna Oct 2017 #89

No. Sorry. sheshe2 Oct 2017 #102

Thank you. Paka Oct 2017 #111

Sheshe2 wrote pretty much the same thing. It is under Latest Threads BigmanPigman Oct 2017 #3

This message was self-deleted by its author GaryCnf Oct 2017 #9

Is he the headline speaker? If so, IMO, he probably needs to bow out. He's too much... brush Oct 2017 #84

What? KPN Oct 2017 #4

You mean people who actually get off their ass and organize a convention should have some say? Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2017 #10

I need a link to share, but yes! And babylonsister Oct 2017 #24

Here SixString Oct 2017 #26

They got to decide who they wanted delisen Oct 2017 #135

They can organize it but I don't have to go...and no more donations from me either. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #164

+1! KPN Oct 2017 #192

Yea, in between the GaryCnf Oct 2017 #12

Calling for silencing? Rather hyperbolic. KPN Oct 2017 #15

I assume by "over-reaction" GaryCnf Oct 2017 #27

Yes, your assumption is correct ... KPN Oct 2017 #183

NP GaryCnf Oct 2017 #184

Why those hysterical females...they overreacted...I am sure some manspainin Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #259

You need to go back GaryCnf Oct 2017 #261

I attack no one...but I feel they absolutely blew it. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #276

And here is Tamika Mallory in her own words acknowledging her choice was controversial stevenleser Oct 2017 #36

Changing the goalposts? GaryCnf Oct 2017 #46

No changing, exactly in line with my OP. Not even a good try. nt stevenleser Oct 2017 #48

You have not... tonedevil Oct 2017 #57

My OP makes clear why its a horrible idea. nt stevenleser Oct 2017 #60

I just don't agree. /nt tonedevil Oct 2017 #61

Are you a member of a diversity group? nt stevenleser Oct 2017 #64

As a 61 year old White Man... tonedevil Oct 2017 #74

That's why you don't understand. Ask a member of a diversity group about the situations stevenleser Oct 2017 #78

I understand... tonedevil Oct 2017 #90

Too bad this confernece was organized by straight white men Tom Rinaldo Oct 2017 #176

I'm AA and definitely not a Bernie fan. But I understand why Tamika chose Bernie as one of the underthematrix Oct 2017 #262

No it doesn't. It states a bunch of ridiculous KPN Oct 2017 #188

Its a straightforward and obvious set of facts that you can't refute. stevenleser Oct 2017 #225

Say what you will. KPN Oct 2017 #229

It was an idiot idea and there are many reasons why. leftofcool Oct 2017 #65

And she supported it regardless because she thought it was a good thing to do. KPN Oct 2017 #185

Wait, wait , wait. sheshe2 Oct 2017 #112

that's crazy talk Voltaire2 Oct 2017 #180

If the conference organizers invited him, and if the conference organizers are women, guillaumeb Oct 2017 #8

Seems pretty obvious... Bernie may not have been my first choice InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #34

Agreed. eom guillaumeb Oct 2017 #198

Yes, thanks, elleng Oct 2017 #130

Purity at all costs? guillaumeb Oct 2017 #199

A 'big' reason, imo. elleng Oct 2017 #204

He/she who thinks the Democratic party treestar Oct 2017 #190

Organizers are POC who admire him. Is their perspective shit? Arazi Oct 2017 #13

Not even a nice try. Laughable actually. nt stevenleser Oct 2017 #14

Still no good responses, because there aren't any. He's not a women's advocate at all. stevenleser Oct 2017 #22

I was hoping for an "I don't see gender" one. betsuni Oct 2017 #29

I was just going to say, the night is young. stevenleser Oct 2017 #86

Post removed Post removed Oct 2017 #30

Thank YOU! smirkymonkey Oct 2017 #31

K&R stonecutter357 Oct 2017 #32

Actually the women who selected him GaryCnf Oct 2017 #39

Oh I listened. Here they are stevenleser Oct 2017 #49

And it's wide right GaryCnf Oct 2017 #51

In other words, you really don't care what the thoughts are of the women who organized the stevenleser Oct 2017 #52

Have some dignity sir GaryCnf Oct 2017 #71

Read your response out loud in front of a mirror. nt stevenleser Oct 2017 #83

Exactly, right again. This is just a dishonest attempt to R B Garr Oct 2017 #195

Which is disingenuous treestar Oct 2017 #194

Bernie has disparaged people he claims practice identity politics, pnwmom Oct 2017 #62

Well at least you're honest. GaryCnf Oct 2017 #76

Bernie has a one-size-fits-all-99% solution for political equality, pnwmom Oct 2017 #77

Again, my compliments GaryCnf Oct 2017 #82

Dunno where you get "hatred" from a recitation of facts and direct quotes emulatorloo Oct 2017 #216

I agree that having a man open the conference was a clunky decision. Demit Oct 2017 #41

Thank you Steven mcar Oct 2017 #43

You're just pissed because it's Bernie phleshdef Oct 2017 #44

As usual. elleng Oct 2017 #129

Yes, I am pisssed that Sen. Sanders was chosen given his comments on identity politics and Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #167

so you are basically saying Bernie has not done much on issues important to women Takket Oct 2017 #45

It's exactly as I said in the OP and I will elaborate stevenleser Oct 2017 #47

Just because it's controversial... tonedevil Oct 2017 #59

Question GaryCnf Oct 2017 #66

I'll answer, if... stevenleser Oct 2017 #75

a well thought out reply......... Takket Oct 2017 #68

Thanks For Fighting A Good Fight Me. Oct 2017 #69

Likely there are men who have done more treestar Oct 2017 #191

k&r Starry Messenger Oct 2017 #50

So far he's the only man to be invited who has accepted. That is odd. George II Oct 2017 #54

Not true oberliner Oct 2017 #58

From their own website, here are the 44 confirmed speakers: George II Oct 2017 #70

There is one other male speaker and he is not speaking on day 1. nt stevenleser Oct 2017 #63

I stand corrected, there are 44 confirmed speakers on their website, 42 are women. George II Oct 2017 #72

This was absolutely a tone-deaf decision NastyRiffraff Oct 2017 #67

I Would Rather Hear Bernie Speak At ANY EVENT SeattlePop Oct 2017 #73

I just drop this here. Carry on... Purveyor Oct 2017 #79

That argument is beyond stale at this point. nt stevenleser Oct 2017 #80

As I said carry on. 2018 is going to be a challenge at this rate, indeed... nt Purveyor Oct 2017 #88

Do you believe a difference of opinion on an obscure website like DU will affect the 2018 election? emulatorloo Oct 2017 #201

That is correct and many, including myself sometimes think a forum such as this matters Purveyor Oct 2017 #230

It's pretty simple. Smitty63nnn Oct 2017 #81

Point 1 is Irrelevant and Point 2 has been previously debunked. nt stevenleser Oct 2017 #85

No, it was about time for someone to bring up that tired old argument. pnwmom Oct 2017 #87

He is not hosting the event. sheshe2 Oct 2017 #119

"Doing it for nothing". It is illegal for a sitting congressperson to be paid to speak. emulatorloo Oct 2017 #215

I guess you told us! Philistein Oct 2017 #92

Put down your violin. The women organizing the conference knew their choice was controversial stevenleser Oct 2017 #93

So what... tonedevil Oct 2017 #95

That has nothing to do with what that person said to me. nt stevenleser Oct 2017 #98

You keep saying that... tonedevil Oct 2017 #100

Nope, that was the first time I said that in this subthread. stevenleser Oct 2017 #103

I'm not sure how you... tonedevil Oct 2017 #113

I'm giving up on this guy. Philistein Oct 2017 #106

My violin? MY violin? Philistein Oct 2017 #99

Sure you did, the first sad tune you reached for was stevenleser Oct 2017 #101

Sigh. We have a buffoon in the White House who got there through treason. PatrickforO Oct 2017 #94

I can fight Trump and advocate for diversity issues at the same time. stevenleser Oct 2017 #97

It's late. Get some sleep. Pick up bashing again tomorrow with a fresh start. FailureToCommunicate Oct 2017 #104

I'm so pleased with your concern for my sleeping schedule but no and no. stevenleser Oct 2017 #107

I think Trump will win in 2020 Tavarious Jackson Oct 2017 #110

Never pass up a chance to bash Bernie hueymahl Oct 2017 #114

There is zero Bernie bashing in the OP but thanks for playing. stevenleser Oct 2017 #115

mmm hmmm Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2017 #203

Lol, you have no idea what a joke that is. Sorry, no sale. stevenleser Oct 2017 #206

+1000, notice that there is zero concern about the R B Garr Oct 2017 #218

K&R betsuni Oct 2017 #117

Op is either Bernie Bashing or an expression that conference organizers need supervision. /nt philly_bob Oct 2017 #118

Don't worry about Bernie, he's an experienced establishment politician, he can take criticism. betsuni Oct 2017 #120

Right, Betsuni, I'm not at all worried about Bernie, philly_bob Oct 2017 #222

How disingenuous. You do sound mostly worried about Bernie. R B Garr Oct 2017 #279

IMHO - It is just more noise taking away from the disaster that is the Trump administration OhioBlue Oct 2017 #121

K&R! Thanks for making this a separate thread. R B Garr Oct 2017 #123

The Mansplaining Keynote TeamPooka Oct 2017 #124

Maxine Waters is the keynote. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2017 #175

This seems to be part of the continued rationalization (or a sadistic doubling down) coolsandy Oct 2017 #126

Maxine Waters is the headlining speaker. elleng Oct 2017 #127

After what happened to Barbara Boxer, DWS and a certain prominent Democrat ucrdem Oct 2017 #131

Jesus man! Glamrock Oct 2017 #132

Ny name isnt Jesus, and this is a political discussion forum stevenleser Oct 2017 #208

Okay Glamrock Oct 2017 #220

Long past time to stop bashing Bernie left-of-center2012 Oct 2017 #133

There is no Bernie bashing in the OP. Not even a nice try. nt stevenleser Oct 2017 #207

Seriously...the endless repetition of the phrase "hasn't been a particular backer" Ken Burch Oct 2017 #247

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He has a history of disparaging pnwmom Oct 2017 #137

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Many women were offended by this statement of Bernie's, and others like it. pnwmom Oct 2017 #139

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When did she ever play the damsel in distress? pnwmom Oct 2017 #141

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Trump WAS deliberately hovering over her and invading her personal space. That was a form pnwmom Oct 2017 #143

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First you insulted Hillary and now it's Gore. I get the idea. nt pnwmom Oct 2017 #145

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Yup. Tarheel_Dem Oct 2017 #160

Im almost sorry I missed the action stevenleser Oct 2017 #212

Tea Roll JI7 Oct 2017 #147

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trump supporters are shitbags JI7 Oct 2017 #150

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no, i don't have any shitbags in my family JI7 Oct 2017 #153

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shitbag trump supporters don't deserve respect JI7 Oct 2017 #155

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yeah, trump supporters are also fuckwads JI7 Oct 2017 #157

Played the vagina card? MyNameGoesHere Oct 2017 #173

I don't. I am a woman. And while I respect all opinions. I won't go see a guy open a woman's Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #165

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And yes some women and people of color had a problem with that. Not all by a long-shot, and I doubt JCanete Oct 2017 #171

This message was self-deleted by its author emulatorloo Oct 2017 #223

He ticks me off treestar Oct 2017 #193

That was almost 60 years ago...and his comments of late have been about emphasizing economic Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #168

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We are sooooo fucked! SMDH. n/t Whiskeytide Oct 2017 #158

Oh come on, among numerous speakers allies to these groups have no business speaking? They JCanete Oct 2017 #162

We don't need this sort of attention. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #166

that is depressingly vague. Who doesn't. What's the attention you are getting that you object to? JCanete Oct 2017 #172

I don't care for Sen. Sanders. I am a Democrat, and he has said some things I wish he hadn't about Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #179

So you are going to miss the conference... Whiskeytide Oct 2017 #181

I wanted to go to a Woman's conference...not a political rally and it seems to me that this is what Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #260

I refuse to attend this conference because it is not a woman's conference which I signed up for... Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #277

Using your logic it is not your place to complain. Dustlawyer Oct 2017 #174

+1111111111! KPN Oct 2017 #187

Nope, everyone can complain. Just not everyone should be a conference speaker. nt stevenleser Oct 2017 #210

As a man you know more than the organizers of the event? Dustlawyer Oct 2017 #245

Your response is a perfect example. See my #253 below nt stevenleser Oct 2017 #254

Has this group reserved speaking slots exclusively for women in the past? Ken Burch Oct 2017 #249

First conference in 40 years. But there is precedent for inviting men stevenleser Oct 2017 #257

I hadn't realized this was a fortieth anniversary event. That conference was heroic. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #265

Nope, I voiced my specific objections in two OPs. stevenleser Oct 2017 #266

Your specific objections can be summarized thusly: Ken Burch Oct 2017 #269

I lulz'd KG Oct 2017 #178

yep... samnsara Oct 2017 #182

Says a male. KPN Oct 2017 #186

Nope, the conference organizers, who are women, all acknowledged the choice was controversial stevenleser Oct 2017 #211

Okay I can play that game. KPN Oct 2017 #214

No game, your argument fails. nt stevenleser Oct 2017 #219

Nope KPN Oct 2017 #228

Bingo! Your answer pretty much decimated this entire reason for this thread. nt Quixote1818 Oct 2017 #278

It's not your place to lecture a women's group as to who they should invite to speak. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #248

Again, see #253 below. nt stevenleser Oct 2017 #255

They have the word Women in their title treestar Oct 2017 #189

Maxine Waters is the keynote speaker. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2017 #196

I was under the impression that treestar Oct 2017 #197

Bernie's still opening it. But after the backlash, they announced Maxine pnwmom Oct 2017 #200

So basically they had a PR disaster on their hands after all the pushback they received emulatorloo Oct 2017 #202

they said they announced the keynote as Waters weeks ago. Do you have an article or evidence you've JCanete Oct 2017 #231

Yeah, that's what they're saying now. But as of Sept 19th they still weren't confirming Maxine pnwmom Oct 2017 #232

but it's October 14th now, and the backlash started a couple days ago. when was she confirmed JCanete Oct 2017 #233

The backlash came when they announced Bernie, and Tamika appeared to confirm pnwmom Oct 2017 #234

appeared to confirm? JCanete Oct 2017 #235

Yes. She didn't correct the reporter who used the word "headliner" to refer to Bernie, pnwmom Oct 2017 #240

Bernie is the first speaker; Maxine is the keynote Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2017 #205

I need to find out who is the keynote as treestar Oct 2017 #217

In other news: man lectures women about stuff. Voltaire2 Oct 2017 #221

Nope, the conference organizers, who are women, all acknowledged they knew the choice would be stevenleser Oct 2017 #227

No, they didn't validate your opionion. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #250

That is validating my opinion stevenleser Oct 2017 #253

They are simply validating the idea that not everyone would agree about their decision. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #256

And in doing so, validated the opinion and also took it out of the realm stevenleser Oct 2017 #258

He shouldn't speak at the conference. But this shouldn't be another excuse to go after him. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #237

Bill Clinton headlined their gala. Sienna86 Oct 2017 #263

Looks like he headlined the Emily's List Award Gala ucrdem Oct 2017 #264

LOL shanny Oct 2017 #271

Also they waited to tell them about this decision so many felt that was wrong too. Madam45for2923 Oct 2017 #274

I'm happy that the organizers made the right decision and moved Bernie to a break out session stevenleser Oct 2017 #282