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44. Sorry but opinions based on what you see in front of you are not lies

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 05:38 PM

Oct 2017

An opinion like Democrats have become too cosy with corporate America because of seeing in front of you, closed door $200,000 speeches to Goldman Sachs, or that the TPP is the 'gold standard', or supporting the Dakota pipeline's corporate backers over its native inhabitants right to clean water. Based on seeing all this, she has an opinion that in some ways Democrats, at least the top establishment, have some things in common with Republicans. Even though you may vehemently object to that opinion, one can see how she got there.

That is much different than a bold face lie out of the blue, like an inauguration crowd was the biggest in history for example. Without any logical path to that reasoning.

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Enough with the scolding please. [View all] DanTex Oct 2017 OP

K&R MrsCoffee Oct 2017 #1

It makes you wonder what is in their heads. Eliot Rosewater Oct 2017 #2

Or what isn't in their heads. George II Oct 2017 #6

Actually, I don't wonder at all. I know for a fact... NurseJackie Oct 2017 #10

I am the opposite if anything. ismnotwasm Oct 2017 #3

Seriously BainsBane Oct 2017 #15

+1 betsuni Oct 2017 #50

Well said. yardwork Oct 2017 #64

Oh My....THIS sheshe2 Oct 2017 #95

+ A gazillion! Tarheel_Dem Oct 2017 #98

K&R mcar Oct 2017 #4

Rec for the etc. NBachers Oct 2017 #5

Thank you. This makes more sense than the other one. George II Oct 2017 #7

Excellent! I've seen transparent attempts lately to falsely R B Garr Oct 2017 #8

well said.... samnsara Oct 2017 #9

Thank you Dan! sheshe2 Oct 2017 #11

K&R louis c Oct 2017 #12

Well said, sir. peggysue2 Oct 2017 #13

"Otherwise we repeat the same mistakes.." This line in your post just triggered this memory: brush Oct 2017 #47

Trash thread enables people to avoid reading something BainsBane Oct 2017 #14

Very seldom finding myself agreeing with your posts, but this one is spot on. GoneOffShore Oct 2017 #16

Excellent! n/t radical noodle Oct 2017 #17

Absent the scolding KPN Oct 2017 #18

Post removed Post removed Oct 2017 #19

Its probably because you defeat your defense by using a non sequitur argument. It looks disengenuous LiberalLovinLug Oct 2017 #20

Anyone who says that the 2 parties are the same is lying & has an agenda. Madam45for2923 Oct 2017 #21

Everyone who is an engaged voter has an "agenda" LiberalLovinLug Oct 2017 #28

She actually said Hillary was worse than trump radical noodle Oct 2017 #82

We see it differently LiberalLovinLug Oct 2017 #107

They will never vote for Democrats radical noodle Oct 2017 #112

Yeah...the problem is it turns voters off and we lose. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #114

Back to reality. This entirely misses the point. Every single thing about it. R B Garr Oct 2017 #22

I will admit that I laughed out loud when I read this about Sarandon lunamagica Oct 2017 #24

I laughed too. Their own propaganda encourages R B Garr Oct 2017 #31

The consequence for the nation. Which she is a citizen of. LiberalLovinLug Oct 2017 #32

GMAB. Sarandon is a hypocrite. She is a model/spoke person for L'oreal. She's taking millions from lunamagica Oct 2017 #41

No I do not. That is why I supported Hillary in the election LiberalLovinLug Oct 2017 #45

No, it is not. It is not simplistic, short sighted or lazy to take into account those people lunamagica Oct 2017 #51

"you are either with us, or with the terrorists" LiberalLovinLug Oct 2017 #61

And Therein Lies The Disconnect ProfessorGAC Oct 2017 #104

I think you may have mistook what I was saying LiberalLovinLug Oct 2017 #108

The real problem is that Trumpocalypse Oct 2017 #113

Thoughtful respectful post. Well done Arazi Oct 2017 #26

Thankyou. I agree. LiberalLovinLug Oct 2017 #33

"Work towards getting their vote". As opposed to working R B Garr Oct 2017 #36

Oh Garr LiberalLovinLug Oct 2017 #39

Back to reality. When your "opinions" are lies, they R B Garr Oct 2017 #42

Sorry but opinions based on what you see in front of you are not lies LiberalLovinLug Oct 2017 #44

These are GOP lies or the ethos of a failed R B Garr Oct 2017 #46

I do not agree with your definition of "attacking" LiberalLovinLug Oct 2017 #49

It was Trump's OPINION that Barack Obama was born in Kenya. R B Garr Oct 2017 #65

The more left wing progressives, of which Sarandon is one of, holds and publicly discusses strong op lunamagica Oct 2017 #52

You are defending Sarandon and Stein? ismnotwasm Oct 2017 #27

Yes, I am defending their right to be heard in a democracy LiberalLovinLug Oct 2017 #35

The OP does not deny their right to be heard. lapucelle Oct 2017 #67

Well said. It would make an excellent stand alone post. eom guillaumeb Oct 2017 #29

thanks LiberalLovinLug Oct 2017 #37

Your post illustrates why it's important to keep reminding people about the Green Party. DanTex Oct 2017 #38

Yes, people, especially Democrats, should be always reminded of the Green Party LiberalLovinLug Oct 2017 #43

You misunderstand the Green Party. DanTex Oct 2017 #48

Evidence please that your opinion is factually based. George Eliot Oct 2017 #55

"the fundamental reality that the Greens are allies of the GOP" is dellusional LiberalLovinLug Oct 2017 #57

It's a plain fact, no conspiracy. DanTex Oct 2017 #68

Two elections that were lost by the margin of the Green vote. You do it once and create an Squinch Oct 2017 #71

And that is the crux of it +++++++++++ JHan Oct 2017 #69

Thank you. George Eliot Oct 2017 #54

Fuck the Green party...they elected George Bush and Donald Trump...thanks Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #115

Nope. All of them are part of Trump Inc. It's shocking that you can't see that, but I guess Squinch Oct 2017 #40

well said Lazy Daisy Oct 2017 #90

ahh, we always scold each other Bucky Oct 2017 #23

K&R. Excellent post, DanTex lunamagica Oct 2017 #25

K&R. This place is called DEMOCRATIC Underground for a reason. NT Bleacher Creature Oct 2017 #30

UNDERGROUND for a reason? k8conant Oct 2017 #59

DU was established when G.W. Bush became president and Dems felt they had to go underground. betsuni Oct 2017 #62

Thank you. Bleacher Creature Oct 2017 #84

It's a mystery to me, too. betsuni Oct 2017 #88

I still remember those years quite well. Bleacher Creature Oct 2017 #94

It's no mystery to me. I know exactly why they're here. Tarheel_Dem Oct 2017 #99

I've observed... tonedevil Oct 2017 #34

Stein a member of Trump coalition? That is a divisive statement. Evidence? George Eliot Oct 2017 #53

Really? And Stein's statement how Hillary is "worse than Trump", is not only divisive, but a lie still_one Oct 2017 #60

+1 yardwork Oct 2017 #63

"by proxy"? Such careful wording to a false allegation. That is what I expect of the right. George Eliot Oct 2017 #70

George, your slip is showing. Squinch Oct 2017 #73

??? George Eliot Oct 2017 #79

It's a snotty way of saying you're not one of "us" Lazy Daisy Oct 2017 #92

Lazy Daisy, what are you that is different from me? And what do "slips" have to do with anything? George Eliot Oct 2017 #110

I never said she endorsed Trump. I said Stein said Hillary was worse than Trump and more dangerous still_one Oct 2017 #91

In fact, Stein in no way endorsed Donald Trump or opined that Donald Trump is better rather, she George Eliot Oct 2017 #109

bullshit. She said Hillary was more dangerous than trump, and other false statements regarding still_one Oct 2017 #111

Emotional? You know, without uniting people on the left, the Democrats may have a very hard time George Eliot Oct 2017 #117

LOL! All these poor outraged low post count Stein supporters! Squinch Oct 2017 #72

Exactly! Metatron Oct 2017 #83

Kindly shove your entitled demand for evidence to prove what we all see Maven Oct 2017 #74

I must have hit a nerve. George Eliot Oct 2017 #81

You think because you missed something that was obvious to the rest of us that you hit a nerve? Squinch Oct 2017 #86

Given your other assumptions - what do you think? George Eliot Oct 2017 #87

Why hedge on the answer? Why not just say whether you are or not? Squinch Oct 2017 #105

Really? Putin pusher; Trump coalition. They're one and the same. Tarheel_Dem Oct 2017 #100

Stein is a slime bucket. Check out the weasel words. She is a Trump supporter and there is evidence Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #116

K&R betsuni Oct 2017 #56

Bravo Dan. Well said still_one Oct 2017 #58

Thank you for that. Progressive dog Oct 2017 #66

"Team Chaos" - that's exactly what they want. JHan Oct 2017 #78

K&R radical noodle Oct 2017 #75

GOP trolls keeping Democratic party divisions alive for the elections to come. applegrove Oct 2017 #76

2000 election was stolen: GOP suppression in FL sharedvalues Oct 2017 #77

K + R Raastan Oct 2017 #80

In simplistic terms it boils down to the stupid people vs the not stupid people. Eko Oct 2017 #85

It's true! Animals and small children can tell the difference between Hillary and Trump betsuni Oct 2017 #89

K & R SunSeeker Oct 2017 #93

I agree. How is it divisive to point out 1 reason Trump won? To be fair, tho, it wasn't all of them. Honeycombe8 Oct 2017 #96

In addition to Stein & Sarandon, you can add Nina Turner & Cornel West to that list. "Enablers" all. Tarheel_Dem Oct 2017 #97

GREEN IS RED. democratisphere Oct 2017 #101

Thank you, DanTex! BlueMTexpat Oct 2017 #102

K&R stonecutter357 Oct 2017 #103

A vote for Stein was a vote for Trump Gothmog Oct 2017 #106