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BainsBane

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214. Depriortizing abortion rights

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 07:57 PM

Oct 2017

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My view: Some see the election of Trump as a golden opportunity to roll back women's rights and civil rights. That some women may be involved in this effort to further subordinate women does not excuse it. It is bigotry, pure and simple, an effort to clear women from public life so that men don't have to compete based on merit.

Third point. It's not up to you to decide who is a great choice to speak to women. Naturally someone who is comfortable talking about stripping over half the population of basic rights and reducing 75% to poverty as a result thinks a great choice is a man, one who has never prioritized women or their rights.

Obviously many women don't feel he should have been invited, which is precisely why you wrote this OP.

Your continued canard of claiming some injustice is okay if you can find some women that support it is the typical justification for oppression. It's weak and transparent. There are always people who cooperate with their own subjugation. Hierarchy and power depend on it. It's as though the existence of Clarence Thomas obviates the need for Civil Rights. And really, I don't care to hear your arguments on that one. I will simply point out that I see through it.

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Bernie speaking on 1st day at Women's conference is a great idea & it's easy to show why... [View all] guillaumeb Oct 2017 OP

He referred to women's issues as a "distraction" DURHAM D Oct 2017 #1

This message was self-deleted by its author yallerdawg Oct 2017 #7

Please provide context for this assertion. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #8

I've seen that a number of times in my internet travels. Can't post it on DU however. George II Oct 2017 #21

Yes, we understand, guillaumeb Oct 2017 #29

I doubt that you do. I hadnt remembered this so I researched it. stevenleser Oct 2017 #62

I also researched it. Or tried to research it guillaumeb Oct 2017 #70

Then you didn't really try. There is an actual statement by Sanders involved. nt stevenleser Oct 2017 #73

Feel free to send a link. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #75

See my #62. At this point we're going in circles. nt stevenleser Oct 2017 #76

"We" are not going in circles. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #77

There are lots of things he said that underline this. Adrahil Oct 2017 #94

But that is not at all the same as what was alleged. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #98

That's been dogmatic socialist thought Adrahil Oct 2017 #157

I see it as divide to conquer. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #159

Make sure all of the people are afforded saftey from all forms Jim Beard Oct 2017 #218

Did you read that article? sheshe2 Oct 2017 #200

Hi sheshe guillaumeb Oct 2017 #205

Actually I was referring to Adrahils link here, Guill. sheshe2 Oct 2017 #217

No problem, I misunderstood. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #219

Wow, not true. That deleted post was a video of R B Garr Oct 2017 #99

Feel free to send a link. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #101

No, one doesn't have to misrepresent the content R B Garr Oct 2017 #115

I read the post prior to its deletion. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #119

You did not "read" that deleted post--it was a video R B Garr Oct 2017 #134

Yes, there was a one line comment. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #141

That was not what the comment was. Wow at the R B Garr Oct 2017 #152

Your tactic is quite clear. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #153

By your standards, post #35 doesn't exist because there is no link to it, lol R B Garr Oct 2017 #190

I did, and the Boston Globe article read in part, as follows: guillaumeb Oct 2017 #191

My "arguments" consisted of correcting your bizarre musings about a deleted post that R B Garr Oct 2017 #222

I sent one via DU Mail George II Oct 2017 #171

I received it and it was behind a subscription wall. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #207

An "opinion piece" based on points of fact. She didn't write "I think he said". George II Oct 2017 #211

Well, she wrote: guillaumeb Oct 2017 #212

That is almost exactly what he says himself. It's quite accurate, and you would know R B Garr Oct 2017 #225

No, it definitely is NOT what was suggested here. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #229

You don't get to rewrite the entire history of his R B Garr Oct 2017 #232

What IS tedious guillaumeb Oct 2017 #233

Bernie's own words have been linked. Enough of this. R B Garr Oct 2017 #235

It is not the source others are talkin about, yet when he ran for Gov, in 1986 he said it. sheshe2 Oct 2017 #162

That's an op-ed melman Oct 2017 #166

ah, so it is not true then... sheshe2 Oct 2017 #168

If there were a quote melman Oct 2017 #169

ah. sheshe2 Oct 2017 #172

The op-ed doesn't even assert that it was said melman Oct 2017 #173

As they say, you can lead a horse to water.................... George II Oct 2017 #184

And that's the issue, no matter what anyone says its "discredited" or "that's not it", etc.... George II Oct 2017 #179

The original claim melman Oct 2017 #182

Whatever. George II Oct 2017 #183

There's an article about it on the Boston Globe site and other sources. George II Oct 2017 #167

Post the sources then. Easy right? Arazi Oct 2017 #186

... sheshe2 Oct 2017 #187

This message was self-deleted by its author Eliot Rosewater Oct 2017 #210

it's not hard to see how this distortion of his words came about Bucky Oct 2017 #35

And unsourced allegations must be given all the credibility that they deserve. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #78

Likewise, I've yet to see a credible source for this... wonder why? InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #109

Speaking for myself only, perhaps my research skills are deficient. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #113

It doesn't exist melman Oct 2017 #122

It exists H2O Man Oct 2017 #132

+1000 Eom Arazi Oct 2017 #170

It wasn't a speech. George II Oct 2017 #203

And in 2008, the 2016 Democratic nominee used the assassination of RFK Chasstev365 Oct 2017 #82

Hard to believe she really said that. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #103

SHE DID! Chasstev365 Oct 2017 #118

I know she did... thankfully, Obama went on to make us all proud. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #174

Gotcha. Agreed! Chasstev365 Oct 2017 #175

This. xmas74 Oct 2017 #236

THANKS, guill. elleng Oct 2017 #2

Pas de quoi. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #80

Ah oui. elleng Oct 2017 #155

How about attending and Listening! delisen Oct 2017 #3

That is a fantastic idea lunamagica Oct 2017 #5

A powerful statement mcar Oct 2017 #9

Can we not all learn from each other? guillaumeb Oct 2017 #12

We can all learn from each other---but historically, women do that. Men do not; particularly listen BlancheSplanchnik Oct 2017 #30

I agree. Men often do not really listen to other voices in a conversation. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #107

Yep. I didn't say what I think of Bernie being the keynote. BlancheSplanchnik Oct 2017 #144

I might have suggested Kamala Harris. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #148

He is the opening speaker, and a woman should be the opening speaker. pnwmom Oct 2017 #104

The organizers felt otherwise. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #108

Sanders should bow out. He's in the middle of too much divisiveness as it is don't you think? brush Oct 2017 #123

But if he did refuse to speak, guillaumeb Oct 2017 #126

How about he take the stage, say I'm here to listen, then take a seat in the audience? brush Oct 2017 #133

That is a possible thread winner. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #139

Agreed. brush Oct 2017 #145

The organizers should have told folks before the time to get a refund passed...I am out over $100.00 Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #163

I can understand your anger, and I sympathize. eom guillaumeb Oct 2017 #181

It's a women's conference mcar Oct 2017 #117

Organized by women. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #120

I believe they made a mistake mcar Oct 2017 #124

I understand, and I am not saying that I totally disagree. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #128

Thank you mcar Oct 2017 #129

Do you counsel all men to be silent in the face of misogyny? guillaumeb Oct 2017 #10

I agree... this should be an issue we can ALL agree upon and unite against. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #105

It should be. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #110

Absolutely!! InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #112

Men have always participated and delisen Oct 2017 #146

How about listening to the actual real-life activists who put the convention together? Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2017 #14

Thank you, I kinda thought that MuseRider Oct 2017 #20

Well spoken. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #31

Do you think that Bernie will stick around to listen to the speeches of the activists TexasTowelie Oct 2017 #74

mansplaining BainsBane Oct 2017 #199

I'm not insisting anyone speak. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2017 #208

There are many activists who do not agree with the choice BainsBane Oct 2017 #226

Yes, it would be a great idea. (nt) ehrnst Oct 2017 #23

That would be a novelty. nt Kahuna7 Oct 2017 #102

To be fair, some people were invited to attend lapucelle Oct 2017 #177

I'm pretty excited about going and hearing as many as I can Arazi Oct 2017 #4

Of course we are. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #11

I agree. I will be there to listen and learn as much as I can. likesmountains 52 Oct 2017 #13

You won't be learning much from Bernie. murielm99 Oct 2017 #42

I can always learn something. likesmountains 52 Oct 2017 #223

Agree. (n/t) SMC22307 Oct 2017 #6

Whatever. I have cancelled my plans to go leftofcool Oct 2017 #15

That's too bad. You will be missing out. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2017 #18

I was excited until I found out men were speaking. leftofcool Oct 2017 #50

I can understand it if Trump were speaking, but this is Bernie Not Ruth Oct 2017 #81

Is he not a man? leftofcool Oct 2017 #156

I respect your opinion, but disagree... we need to rally around what unites us. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #176

You might miss an opportunity to network and learn. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #32

You should go and let your displeasure be known during the speech. SaschaHM Oct 2017 #96

Not interested in protesting when no one is listening. leftofcool Oct 2017 #158

Not in the slightest, but I think the speaker should be booed heavily. SaschaHM Oct 2017 #164

I cancelled too. The organizer shows a real lack of judgement. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #165

There are peeps who so hate Sanders that if he said breathing was a good thing... LostOne4Ever Oct 2017 #16

As Frank Zappa wisely said: guillaumeb Oct 2017 #33

Would Bernie have agreed to go if his speech wasn't put in such a prominent position pnwmom Oct 2017 #17

It's kind of hard to downplay his speech. He's the most beloved active politician on the planet. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2017 #19

"most beloved active politician on the planet." Link? n/t tammywammy Oct 2017 #25

That's such hyperbole. It isn't even a fact in the US, much less "the planet." pnwmom Oct 2017 #27

And we as a country passed Kerry up for W. Blackwell in Ohio must have gotten a huge deposit... brush Oct 2017 #142

No he isn't. George II Oct 2017 #39

But the (D) is STILL lacking. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #41

Sanders promoters seem to make everything about delisen Oct 2017 #140

I was a Sanders supporter. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #147

I know that is not true. murielm99 Oct 2017 #44

Oh wow, just wow lunamagica Oct 2017 #64

On The Planet? Me. Oct 2017 #69

LOL! TexasTowelie Oct 2017 #71

Maxine does not need a "warmup" act. leftofcool Oct 2017 #79

Would the same comments be posted if it were another male? guillaumeb Oct 2017 #34

YES. No man should give the opening speech at a woman's conference. pnwmom Oct 2017 #49

The organizers of this event obviously did not agree. eom guillaumeb Oct 2017 #54

Whoever made the decision must have thought it was a wise one. Many women disagree. n/t pnwmom Oct 2017 #58

Who is obviously arguing the organizers did agree? LanternWaste Oct 2017 #237

Thank YOU! smirkymonkey Oct 2017 #83

Oh please. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2017 #97

no thanks Skittles Oct 2017 #22

Amazing How Unpopular Fighting For Economic Justice Is Here SeattlePop Oct 2017 #24

let me get out my xray glasses Skittles Oct 2017 #26

Welcome to DU, and the discussion. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #36

You are too intelligent to pretend this dif of opinion means DU'ers are against Economic Justice emulatorloo Oct 2017 #114

I did not make the charge, but the lack of the letter is a huge issue for some. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #116

You endorsed the sentiment and rewarded it. emulatorloo Oct 2017 #127

My actual response was to extend a welcome, something that I received quite a bit guillaumeb Oct 2017 #135

Thanks for clarifying appreciate it emulatorloo Oct 2017 #138

And you. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #143

Every fucking DUer is for economic justice emulatorloo Oct 2017 #111

I love how people here who love Maxine Waters, are refusing to attend because Sanders is speaking. JCanete Oct 2017 #28

All part of the reaction to another stolen election. eom guillaumeb Oct 2017 #37

Bernie has never stood for women's issues. murielm99 Oct 2017 #38

Name me a politician with no detractors. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #43

The only people demanding purity tests murielm99 Oct 2017 #46

My statement stands unrefuted, or unanswered. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #48

What statement? murielm99 Oct 2017 #52

#43 guillaumeb Oct 2017 #56

We didn't need a politician with no detractors. We did need a WOMAN to open the WOMEN"s convention. pnwmom Oct 2017 #53

They keep steering around that point. I wonder why? stevenleser Oct 2017 #68

We all know why. SaschaHM Oct 2017 #95

I answered you. murielm99 Oct 2017 #60

I was asking for a name. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #65

"But that's not important" MrsCoffee Oct 2017 #40

If one asks 10 people, there might be 10 so-called "litmus tests" guillaumeb Oct 2017 #45

I believe all candidates should be challenged. murielm99 Oct 2017 #47

As we should. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #51

No Democrat should take an anti-abortion position. murielm99 Oct 2017 #55

Google Daniel Lipinski, from the 3rd Illinois District. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #59

You realize you just made the case for not allowing anti-choice candidates in the party. MrsCoffee Oct 2017 #61

See #63 guillaumeb Oct 2017 #66

I've seen all I need to see, thanks. MrsCoffee Oct 2017 #67

It might not be the explanation that you wanted, but it is political reality in the US. eom guillaumeb Oct 2017 #72

Bernie passes your test then, but the Democratic Party doesn't insist that all Democrats do n/t Tom Rinaldo Oct 2017 #88

That wouldn't be the choice if we stuck to our party platform. MrsCoffee Oct 2017 #57

US parties are not parliamentary type parties. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #63

So that rules out Nancy Pelosi then Tom Rinaldo Oct 2017 #87

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2017 #84

Welcome to DU, and the conversation. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #89

Saw Bernie Speak 3 Times Billsmile Oct 2017 #85

Agreed, an economic issue that is used to divide workers. eom guillaumeb Oct 2017 #91

Women don't just need equal pay. They need to have their voices heard. pnwmom Oct 2017 #106

God, if there is one thing I am so sick and tired of it is men telling women how smirkymonkey Oct 2017 #86

No one is telling women how they should feel. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #92

You're telling women who think a man opening a Women's Conference is tone-deaf and a bad idea emulatorloo Oct 2017 #125

I make no claim of right or wrong. I do not feel that it applies. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #131

Of course emulatorloo Oct 2017 #136

DURec SixString Oct 2017 #90

Thank you. eom guillaumeb Oct 2017 #93

Post removed Post removed Oct 2017 #100

Okay. Thank you for your input. eom guillaumeb Oct 2017 #121

Recommended. H2O Man Oct 2017 #130

Thank you. So far it is an excellent discussion. eom guillaumeb Oct 2017 #137

We could have had a woman president RandySF Oct 2017 #149

Absent voter suppression, and gerrymandering, guillaumeb Oct 2017 #150

It seems it's gotten the Women's Conference a lot more publicity than it otherwise would have gotten PoliticAverse Oct 2017 #151

And probably not a bad result either. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #154

While this all looks fascinating, we have elections coming up in a few weeks. RandySF Oct 2017 #160

True. And many coming in 2018, 2019, and 2020. eom guillaumeb Oct 2017 #178

How nice of you to tell me which rights I'm supposed to care about BainsBane Oct 2017 #161

If I in fact were telling anyone that, I would accept your comment. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #180

I understand they are women BainsBane Oct 2017 #192

First, I titled it as a great idea, not a perfect idea. An important distinction. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #198

Depriortizing abortion rights BainsBane Oct 2017 #214

My post made it clear that I was expressing my personal opinion. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #216

"the $100k they took from women under false pretenses." JI7 Oct 2017 #224

it was totally inappropriate...women cant have anything... samnsara Oct 2017 #185

There were several women speakers at the Million Man march Arazi Oct 2017 #188

Was the keynote speaker a woman? BainsBane Oct 2017 #193

No, but Rosa Parks was. Is that OK with you? nt USALiberal Oct 2017 #196

She was the headline speaker at the Million Man March? BainsBane Oct 2017 #204

OK, so she doesn't count as a women. I get it. Maya Angelou was there too. Not a woman? nt USALiberal Oct 2017 #220

The keynote speaker at this conference is Maxine Waters Arazi Oct 2017 #197

False BainsBane Oct 2017 #202

Maxine Waters is the keynote speaker Arazi Oct 2017 #206

We all have different needs. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #209

Thanks. This everlasting grudge v Bernie is probs my last hurrah here Arazi Oct 2017 #213

Unity is far more important than endless argument over what makes an authentic Democrat. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #215

Unity would consist of men whom heartedly prioritizing a woman's right to autonomy bettyellen Oct 2017 #227

And as I began, in the body of the post: guillaumeb Oct 2017 #230

Sanders has been problematic in his willingness to deprioritize and dismiss women's health concerns. bettyellen Oct 2017 #234

Perhaps you should address this complaint to the conference organizers. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #189

You are arguing on their behalf BainsBane Oct 2017 #194

The word perfect is a misreading of the title of the post. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #201

Wow, many women spoke at the million man march. Do some research before posting. nt USALiberal Oct 2017 #195

Montpelier #WomensMarch - Bernie Sanders' Speech (Complete) Donkees Oct 2017 #221

Thank you. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #228

This episode is not unlike the previous episode of Sen. Sanders agreeing to debate Graham, Cassidy Donkees Oct 2017 #231