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273. You might want to check out the comments of some of those other "honored" speakers

Sun Oct 15, 2017, 01:19 AM

Oct 2017

attacking Democrats, WoC (supposedly on behalf of WoC), Hillary, her supporters, Emily's List etc. Winnie Wong was "ready for a fight", so unifying these folks.

From what I'm hearing and seeing, this was a top down F*up. I feel bad for the local women who will be spending their time working their rears off, while people who didn't do much once again hog all the credit and prove just how badly they fail at organizing, unifying or speaking without being insulting, divisive and just plain awful.

Take a look at those comments on the page as well, in response to that "apology".

Please be careful if you're heading down there, and charge your phone. Drama queens about and they're apparently all ready to fight, whatever that means coming from people who happily took selfies with actual Nazis.

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Bernie speaking on 1st day at Women's conference is a horrible idea & it's easy to show why... [View all] stevenleser Oct 2017 OP

umm the conference WANTED him to speak and its their conference after all nt msongs Oct 2017 #1

That's your answer? It's a conference about women. The organizers don't own that. nt stevenleser Oct 2017 #2

Who has the right... tonedevil Oct 2017 #5

When it is about a diversity group? The members of that diversity group. nt stevenleser Oct 2017 #16

Did the organizers... tonedevil Oct 2017 #21

This isn't that complicated. It's all in the OP. nt stevenleser Oct 2017 #23

Not really. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #251

No they didn't have to ask permission radical noodle Oct 2017 #105

The organizers of the Women's March weren't mostly WOC. Why do you say "apparently" this group is? pnwmom Oct 2017 #136

The tweet... tonedevil Oct 2017 #236

There were 4 organizers, including two white women, one Latina, and an African American. n/t pnwmom Oct 2017 #239

Thank you... tonedevil Oct 2017 #243

I haven't seen anything that explains who issued the invite or how. n/t pnwmom Oct 2017 #246

Have to agree with you there... they must've had good reasons for inviting Bernie to speak. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #33

They really didn't. Everything you see that they have come out with on this says the opposite. stevenleser Oct 2017 #37

I can understand there being some people who were not in favor of hearing from Bernie... InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #42

Meanwhile, this decision has brought a lot more attention to their event. thesquanderer Oct 2017 #108

Or not. A lot of women seem to be asking for their $300 back. Seems they think their issues stevenleser Oct 2017 #109

Could you have lived with them inviting Nina Turner? Ken Burch Oct 2017 #242

Sure. Those would have been reasonable choices. stevenleser Oct 2017 #268

Post removed Post removed Oct 2017 #244

There's nothing in that photo that "says the opposite". Ken Burch Oct 2017 #252

Well the people they charged $300 per ticket that they defrauded by Ninsianna Oct 2017 #91

does the 300 dollars include a Hotel , travel and whatever costs of getting there ? JI7 Oct 2017 #116

No, I was going for the day...you can buy day tickets. But I won't go now. To have Sen. Sanders Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #159

You might want to check out the comments of some of those other "honored" speakers Ninsianna Oct 2017 #273

Wow..not going. I am incensed at how this was done...they deliberately waited until you couldn't get Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #275

Nasty right? Ninsianna Oct 2017 #280

Since I was going anyway...I will keep my eyes peeled. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #281

Nope. Ninsianna Oct 2017 #272

It's NOT a conference about women, that would be simplistic and limited Not Ruth Oct 2017 #6

u ruined his mansplainin questionseverything Oct 2017 #11

Nope, Bernie will be the one mansplaining, and the conference organizers enabled it. nt stevenleser Oct 2017 #17

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2017 #149

It actually is that simple. stevenleser Oct 2017 #18

That is a fine example... tonedevil Oct 2017 #25

They actually do share my opinion and knew the choice was a controversial one stevenleser Oct 2017 #35

I don't think you understand... tonedevil Oct 2017 #38

No, I don't think YOU understand. They knew these opinions existed among women when they made the stevenleser Oct 2017 #40

Apparently... tonedevil Oct 2017 #55

It was a very bad decision. And I have to wonder if it is about selling tickets...at $300.00 a pop Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #163

You say this as if there is a group that would get collective 100% support mythology Oct 2017 #177

This flailing really does not become any of you trying to support this decision. stevenleser Oct 2017 #226

I did it intentionally and no it wasn't "flailing" as you inaccurately put it. mythology Oct 2017 #270

Thank you, Not Ruth True Dough Oct 2017 #56

I had intended to go up for the day...but I let my hotel go because I want nothing to do with this. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #161

"that the rise of the woman IS the rise of the nation." How do you get that it "Is NOT a conference emulatorloo Oct 2017 #213

Yes it is. The percentage of female speakers addressing the conference highlights female leadership Tom Rinaldo Oct 2017 #238

Listen to the actual organizers Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2017 #7

truly embarrassing to see them try to insulate themselves from criticism that way. bettyellen Oct 2017 #96

And embarrassing to see some DUers who have never been interested in any diversity issues stevenleser Oct 2017 #224

There are people who twist things for political "gain" and I think they lose in the end.... bettyellen Oct 2017 #267

Thanks elleng Oct 2017 #128

That's my answer, too. nt babylonsister Oct 2017 #19

And it is still a bad answer. nt stevenleser Oct 2017 #20

When does this happen? I am now curious to babylonsister Oct 2017 #28

It's a good opportunity for him to lay out how women's' issues fit into his worldview emulatorloo Oct 2017 #209

Well you certainly don't own it either, stevenleser. appal_jack Oct 2017 #122

And I am sure you are going to tell us all how reciting that obvious factoid stevenleser Oct 2017 #125

And you do? Ken Burch Oct 2017 #241

Not "the conference." The majority of the handful of organizers of the conference. n/t pnwmom Oct 2017 #53

And the women who made the conference possible resoundingly shouted their disagreement Ninsianna Oct 2017 #89

No. Sorry. sheshe2 Oct 2017 #102

Thank you. Paka Oct 2017 #111

Sheshe2 wrote pretty much the same thing. It is under Latest Threads BigmanPigman Oct 2017 #3

This message was self-deleted by its author GaryCnf Oct 2017 #9

Is he the headline speaker? If so, IMO, he probably needs to bow out. He's too much... brush Oct 2017 #84

What? KPN Oct 2017 #4

You mean people who actually get off their ass and organize a convention should have some say? Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2017 #10

I need a link to share, but yes! And babylonsister Oct 2017 #24

Here SixString Oct 2017 #26

They got to decide who they wanted delisen Oct 2017 #135

They can organize it but I don't have to go...and no more donations from me either. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #164

+1! KPN Oct 2017 #192

Yea, in between the GaryCnf Oct 2017 #12

Calling for silencing? Rather hyperbolic. KPN Oct 2017 #15

I assume by "over-reaction" GaryCnf Oct 2017 #27

Yes, your assumption is correct ... KPN Oct 2017 #183

NP GaryCnf Oct 2017 #184

Why those hysterical females...they overreacted...I am sure some manspainin Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #259

You need to go back GaryCnf Oct 2017 #261

I attack no one...but I feel they absolutely blew it. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #276

And here is Tamika Mallory in her own words acknowledging her choice was controversial stevenleser Oct 2017 #36

Changing the goalposts? GaryCnf Oct 2017 #46

No changing, exactly in line with my OP. Not even a good try. nt stevenleser Oct 2017 #48

You have not... tonedevil Oct 2017 #57

My OP makes clear why its a horrible idea. nt stevenleser Oct 2017 #60

I just don't agree. /nt tonedevil Oct 2017 #61

Are you a member of a diversity group? nt stevenleser Oct 2017 #64

As a 61 year old White Man... tonedevil Oct 2017 #74

That's why you don't understand. Ask a member of a diversity group about the situations stevenleser Oct 2017 #78

I understand... tonedevil Oct 2017 #90

Too bad this confernece was organized by straight white men Tom Rinaldo Oct 2017 #176

I'm AA and definitely not a Bernie fan. But I understand why Tamika chose Bernie as one of the underthematrix Oct 2017 #262

No it doesn't. It states a bunch of ridiculous KPN Oct 2017 #188

Its a straightforward and obvious set of facts that you can't refute. stevenleser Oct 2017 #225

Say what you will. KPN Oct 2017 #229

It was an idiot idea and there are many reasons why. leftofcool Oct 2017 #65

And she supported it regardless because she thought it was a good thing to do. KPN Oct 2017 #185

Wait, wait , wait. sheshe2 Oct 2017 #112

that's crazy talk Voltaire2 Oct 2017 #180

If the conference organizers invited him, and if the conference organizers are women, guillaumeb Oct 2017 #8

Seems pretty obvious... Bernie may not have been my first choice InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #34

Agreed. eom guillaumeb Oct 2017 #198

Yes, thanks, elleng Oct 2017 #130

Purity at all costs? guillaumeb Oct 2017 #199

A 'big' reason, imo. elleng Oct 2017 #204

He/she who thinks the Democratic party treestar Oct 2017 #190

Organizers are POC who admire him. Is their perspective shit? Arazi Oct 2017 #13

Not even a nice try. Laughable actually. nt stevenleser Oct 2017 #14

Still no good responses, because there aren't any. He's not a women's advocate at all. stevenleser Oct 2017 #22

I was hoping for an "I don't see gender" one. betsuni Oct 2017 #29

I was just going to say, the night is young. stevenleser Oct 2017 #86

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Thank YOU! smirkymonkey Oct 2017 #31

K&R stonecutter357 Oct 2017 #32

Actually the women who selected him GaryCnf Oct 2017 #39

Oh I listened. Here they are stevenleser Oct 2017 #49

And it's wide right GaryCnf Oct 2017 #51

In other words, you really don't care what the thoughts are of the women who organized the stevenleser Oct 2017 #52

Have some dignity sir GaryCnf Oct 2017 #71

Read your response out loud in front of a mirror. nt stevenleser Oct 2017 #83

Exactly, right again. This is just a dishonest attempt to R B Garr Oct 2017 #195

Which is disingenuous treestar Oct 2017 #194

Bernie has disparaged people he claims practice identity politics, pnwmom Oct 2017 #62

Well at least you're honest. GaryCnf Oct 2017 #76

Bernie has a one-size-fits-all-99% solution for political equality, pnwmom Oct 2017 #77

Again, my compliments GaryCnf Oct 2017 #82

Dunno where you get "hatred" from a recitation of facts and direct quotes emulatorloo Oct 2017 #216

I agree that having a man open the conference was a clunky decision. Demit Oct 2017 #41

Thank you Steven mcar Oct 2017 #43

You're just pissed because it's Bernie phleshdef Oct 2017 #44

As usual. elleng Oct 2017 #129

Yes, I am pisssed that Sen. Sanders was chosen given his comments on identity politics and Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #167

so you are basically saying Bernie has not done much on issues important to women Takket Oct 2017 #45

It's exactly as I said in the OP and I will elaborate stevenleser Oct 2017 #47

Just because it's controversial... tonedevil Oct 2017 #59

Question GaryCnf Oct 2017 #66

I'll answer, if... stevenleser Oct 2017 #75

a well thought out reply......... Takket Oct 2017 #68

Thanks For Fighting A Good Fight Me. Oct 2017 #69

Likely there are men who have done more treestar Oct 2017 #191

k&r Starry Messenger Oct 2017 #50

So far he's the only man to be invited who has accepted. That is odd. George II Oct 2017 #54

Not true oberliner Oct 2017 #58

From their own website, here are the 44 confirmed speakers: George II Oct 2017 #70

There is one other male speaker and he is not speaking on day 1. nt stevenleser Oct 2017 #63

I stand corrected, there are 44 confirmed speakers on their website, 42 are women. George II Oct 2017 #72

This was absolutely a tone-deaf decision NastyRiffraff Oct 2017 #67

I Would Rather Hear Bernie Speak At ANY EVENT SeattlePop Oct 2017 #73

I just drop this here. Carry on... Purveyor Oct 2017 #79

That argument is beyond stale at this point. nt stevenleser Oct 2017 #80

As I said carry on. 2018 is going to be a challenge at this rate, indeed... nt Purveyor Oct 2017 #88

Do you believe a difference of opinion on an obscure website like DU will affect the 2018 election? emulatorloo Oct 2017 #201

That is correct and many, including myself sometimes think a forum such as this matters Purveyor Oct 2017 #230

It's pretty simple. Smitty63nnn Oct 2017 #81

Point 1 is Irrelevant and Point 2 has been previously debunked. nt stevenleser Oct 2017 #85

No, it was about time for someone to bring up that tired old argument. pnwmom Oct 2017 #87

He is not hosting the event. sheshe2 Oct 2017 #119

"Doing it for nothing". It is illegal for a sitting congressperson to be paid to speak. emulatorloo Oct 2017 #215

I guess you told us! Philistein Oct 2017 #92

Put down your violin. The women organizing the conference knew their choice was controversial stevenleser Oct 2017 #93

So what... tonedevil Oct 2017 #95

That has nothing to do with what that person said to me. nt stevenleser Oct 2017 #98

You keep saying that... tonedevil Oct 2017 #100

Nope, that was the first time I said that in this subthread. stevenleser Oct 2017 #103

I'm not sure how you... tonedevil Oct 2017 #113

I'm giving up on this guy. Philistein Oct 2017 #106

My violin? MY violin? Philistein Oct 2017 #99

Sure you did, the first sad tune you reached for was stevenleser Oct 2017 #101

Sigh. We have a buffoon in the White House who got there through treason. PatrickforO Oct 2017 #94

I can fight Trump and advocate for diversity issues at the same time. stevenleser Oct 2017 #97

It's late. Get some sleep. Pick up bashing again tomorrow with a fresh start. FailureToCommunicate Oct 2017 #104

I'm so pleased with your concern for my sleeping schedule but no and no. stevenleser Oct 2017 #107

I think Trump will win in 2020 Tavarious Jackson Oct 2017 #110

Never pass up a chance to bash Bernie hueymahl Oct 2017 #114

There is zero Bernie bashing in the OP but thanks for playing. stevenleser Oct 2017 #115

mmm hmmm Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2017 #203

Lol, you have no idea what a joke that is. Sorry, no sale. stevenleser Oct 2017 #206

+1000, notice that there is zero concern about the R B Garr Oct 2017 #218

K&R betsuni Oct 2017 #117

Op is either Bernie Bashing or an expression that conference organizers need supervision. /nt philly_bob Oct 2017 #118

Don't worry about Bernie, he's an experienced establishment politician, he can take criticism. betsuni Oct 2017 #120

Right, Betsuni, I'm not at all worried about Bernie, philly_bob Oct 2017 #222

How disingenuous. You do sound mostly worried about Bernie. R B Garr Oct 2017 #279

IMHO - It is just more noise taking away from the disaster that is the Trump administration OhioBlue Oct 2017 #121

K&R! Thanks for making this a separate thread. R B Garr Oct 2017 #123

The Mansplaining Keynote TeamPooka Oct 2017 #124

Maxine Waters is the keynote. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2017 #175

This seems to be part of the continued rationalization (or a sadistic doubling down) coolsandy Oct 2017 #126

Maxine Waters is the headlining speaker. elleng Oct 2017 #127

After what happened to Barbara Boxer, DWS and a certain prominent Democrat ucrdem Oct 2017 #131

Jesus man! Glamrock Oct 2017 #132

Ny name isnt Jesus, and this is a political discussion forum stevenleser Oct 2017 #208

Okay Glamrock Oct 2017 #220

Long past time to stop bashing Bernie left-of-center2012 Oct 2017 #133

There is no Bernie bashing in the OP. Not even a nice try. nt stevenleser Oct 2017 #207

Seriously...the endless repetition of the phrase "hasn't been a particular backer" Ken Burch Oct 2017 #247

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He has a history of disparaging pnwmom Oct 2017 #137

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Many women were offended by this statement of Bernie's, and others like it. pnwmom Oct 2017 #139

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When did she ever play the damsel in distress? pnwmom Oct 2017 #141

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Trump WAS deliberately hovering over her and invading her personal space. That was a form pnwmom Oct 2017 #143

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First you insulted Hillary and now it's Gore. I get the idea. nt pnwmom Oct 2017 #145

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Yup. Tarheel_Dem Oct 2017 #160

Im almost sorry I missed the action stevenleser Oct 2017 #212

Tea Roll JI7 Oct 2017 #147

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trump supporters are shitbags JI7 Oct 2017 #150

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no, i don't have any shitbags in my family JI7 Oct 2017 #153

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shitbag trump supporters don't deserve respect JI7 Oct 2017 #155

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yeah, trump supporters are also fuckwads JI7 Oct 2017 #157

Played the vagina card? MyNameGoesHere Oct 2017 #173

I don't. I am a woman. And while I respect all opinions. I won't go see a guy open a woman's Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #165

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And yes some women and people of color had a problem with that. Not all by a long-shot, and I doubt JCanete Oct 2017 #171

This message was self-deleted by its author emulatorloo Oct 2017 #223

He ticks me off treestar Oct 2017 #193

That was almost 60 years ago...and his comments of late have been about emphasizing economic Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #168

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We are sooooo fucked! SMDH. n/t Whiskeytide Oct 2017 #158

Oh come on, among numerous speakers allies to these groups have no business speaking? They JCanete Oct 2017 #162

We don't need this sort of attention. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #166

that is depressingly vague. Who doesn't. What's the attention you are getting that you object to? JCanete Oct 2017 #172

I don't care for Sen. Sanders. I am a Democrat, and he has said some things I wish he hadn't about Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #179

So you are going to miss the conference... Whiskeytide Oct 2017 #181

I wanted to go to a Woman's conference...not a political rally and it seems to me that this is what Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #260

I refuse to attend this conference because it is not a woman's conference which I signed up for... Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #277

Using your logic it is not your place to complain. Dustlawyer Oct 2017 #174

+1111111111! KPN Oct 2017 #187

Nope, everyone can complain. Just not everyone should be a conference speaker. nt stevenleser Oct 2017 #210

As a man you know more than the organizers of the event? Dustlawyer Oct 2017 #245

Your response is a perfect example. See my #253 below nt stevenleser Oct 2017 #254

Has this group reserved speaking slots exclusively for women in the past? Ken Burch Oct 2017 #249

First conference in 40 years. But there is precedent for inviting men stevenleser Oct 2017 #257

I hadn't realized this was a fortieth anniversary event. That conference was heroic. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #265

Nope, I voiced my specific objections in two OPs. stevenleser Oct 2017 #266

Your specific objections can be summarized thusly: Ken Burch Oct 2017 #269

I lulz'd KG Oct 2017 #178

yep... samnsara Oct 2017 #182

Says a male. KPN Oct 2017 #186

Nope, the conference organizers, who are women, all acknowledged the choice was controversial stevenleser Oct 2017 #211

Okay I can play that game. KPN Oct 2017 #214

No game, your argument fails. nt stevenleser Oct 2017 #219

Nope KPN Oct 2017 #228

Bingo! Your answer pretty much decimated this entire reason for this thread. nt Quixote1818 Oct 2017 #278

It's not your place to lecture a women's group as to who they should invite to speak. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #248

Again, see #253 below. nt stevenleser Oct 2017 #255

They have the word Women in their title treestar Oct 2017 #189

Maxine Waters is the keynote speaker. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2017 #196

I was under the impression that treestar Oct 2017 #197

Bernie's still opening it. But after the backlash, they announced Maxine pnwmom Oct 2017 #200

So basically they had a PR disaster on their hands after all the pushback they received emulatorloo Oct 2017 #202

they said they announced the keynote as Waters weeks ago. Do you have an article or evidence you've JCanete Oct 2017 #231

Yeah, that's what they're saying now. But as of Sept 19th they still weren't confirming Maxine pnwmom Oct 2017 #232

but it's October 14th now, and the backlash started a couple days ago. when was she confirmed JCanete Oct 2017 #233

The backlash came when they announced Bernie, and Tamika appeared to confirm pnwmom Oct 2017 #234

appeared to confirm? JCanete Oct 2017 #235

Yes. She didn't correct the reporter who used the word "headliner" to refer to Bernie, pnwmom Oct 2017 #240

Bernie is the first speaker; Maxine is the keynote Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2017 #205

I need to find out who is the keynote as treestar Oct 2017 #217

In other news: man lectures women about stuff. Voltaire2 Oct 2017 #221

Nope, the conference organizers, who are women, all acknowledged they knew the choice would be stevenleser Oct 2017 #227

No, they didn't validate your opionion. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #250

That is validating my opinion stevenleser Oct 2017 #253

They are simply validating the idea that not everyone would agree about their decision. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #256

And in doing so, validated the opinion and also took it out of the realm stevenleser Oct 2017 #258

He shouldn't speak at the conference. But this shouldn't be another excuse to go after him. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #237

Bill Clinton headlined their gala. Sienna86 Oct 2017 #263

Looks like he headlined the Emily's List Award Gala ucrdem Oct 2017 #264

LOL shanny Oct 2017 #271

Also they waited to tell them about this decision so many felt that was wrong too. Madam45for2923 Oct 2017 #274

I'm happy that the organizers made the right decision and moved Bernie to a break out session stevenleser Oct 2017 #282