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252. Bullshit. Sorry to tell you, but you couldn't be more wrong.

Sun Oct 15, 2017, 12:52 AM

Oct 2017

I bet you admire the 1977 feminist leadership because it focused on economic issues. Back then, we thought that if only we got economic equality, the battle would have been won. Griswold and Roe made us think we were winning, if we had not already won, the battle of reproductive freedom, and the idea that racism would also be solved with economic equality was rampant in what was, back then, a very white feminist leadership.

We were wrong. 2016 showed us how wrong we were. Roe is being lost. Griswold is next. Intersectionality is the only way forward, because race and sexual orientation and gender is what is the basis for economic inequality, not the other way around. We don't have economic equality because of racism, sexism, and homophobia. Get rid of the latter, and economic justice will follow.

I am sorry to see men on a democratic message board have your opinions, Ken. You are wrong. Many, many women leaders have the heroic, radical spirit of 1977 and 1848 - but unlike some, they have learned the lessons of the intervening 40 (169) years, and have changed their message, their tactics, and their solutions as a result.

Just because we are not asking for what you want us to ask for - just because we are not focusing on economic issues, but rather on social justice issues, doesn't mean we are "staying the course, asking for as little as possible." Shame on you for saying so.

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Womens Conference runs into rough seas of their own making [View all] sheshe2 Oct 2017 OP

PLEASE tell me it isnt true that Hillary is a 2nd night speaker and NOT the featured speaker? Eliot Rosewater Oct 2017 #1

whoever planned this should be fired samnsara Oct 2017 #7

hillary declined the invatation questionseverything Oct 2017 #22

Would you provide the link? sheshe2 Oct 2017 #27

here ya go questionseverything Oct 2017 #28

That statement doesn't say that Clinton was invited comradebillyboy Oct 2017 #58

yes it does and please dont call ms mallory "deceptive" questionseverything Oct 2017 #61

Bernie would accomodate her? sheshe2 Oct 2017 #66

us as in a woman..it's a womans conference u know questionseverything Oct 2017 #71

Social scientists are observing a growing political extremism on both Hortensis Oct 2017 #145

are u saying that because bernie was invited to speak and said yes questionseverything Oct 2017 #360

Not alone, definitely, but there's been a pattern of behavior we should beware of. Hortensis Oct 2017 #363

hillary was invited..is still invited,,,they can not MAKE her accept questionseverything Oct 2017 #364

I spoke about the organization, and in spite of what I suspected was a hostile Hortensis Oct 2017 #365

This. sheshe2 Oct 2017 #384

You mean the folks that intentionally left Hillary's name off the list of women who have inspired MrsCoffee Oct 2017 #162

Yes, those folks. deurbano Oct 2017 #180

Makes me want to cry. sheshe2 Oct 2017 #192

Are you one of the organizers? yardwork Oct 2017 #138

Tamika Mallory who's besties w/ Louis Farrakhan? grossproffit Oct 2017 #158

So "invited to participate" really means lapucelle Oct 2017 #306

Great Article Gothmog Oct 2017 #375

Harris, Warren, Gillibrand, and Clinton didn't all have to be too busy to attend. Hortensis Oct 2017 #392

+1 betsuni Oct 2017 #397

That's what they claim, but I'm not sure they're being honest. Ninsianna Oct 2017 #98

Former Michigander here RandySF Oct 2017 #290

What do you base this on? Ninsianna Oct 2017 #414

She did not say if they were invited. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #169

According to WaPo, those women were "invited to attend". lapucelle Oct 2017 #314

Wow. sheshe2 Oct 2017 #333

When were they invited? sheshe2 Oct 2017 #385

Really? How do we know that? Here is their statement, it doesn't state that any of the four, George II Oct 2017 #113

The organizers say so. Did Hillary confirm that she was invited? yardwork Oct 2017 #136

Not that I read anywhere. sheshe2 Oct 2017 #193

The only thing I've read is that these prominent woman leaders were lapucelle Oct 2017 #328

I will check them out, lapucelle. sheshe2 Oct 2017 #330

Aaaah. sheshe2 Oct 2017 #386

I read the statement provided and it is my opinion...none of those women leaders were invited . Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #172

I agree. sheshe2 Oct 2017 #194

Too bad this was made political. I had a ticket for one day but won't go. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #195

Not anywhere near me, so I could not. sheshe2 Oct 2017 #201

I live in Northern Ohio...it is not far. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #293

She's not even the 2nd night speaker. She won't be there, and they have been vague about... George II Oct 2017 #112

That just breaks my heart. sheshe2 Oct 2017 #128

Why? AtheistCrusader Oct 2017 #409

If we put politics aside GaryCnf Oct 2017 #2

Then put that aside and make it about women. sheshe2 Oct 2017 #4

I will guarantee that if Nina Turner GaryCnf Oct 2017 #5

Yes it does. sheshe2 Oct 2017 #8

careful Eliot Rosewater Oct 2017 #10

If Obama were speaking at the conference, you'd be doing backflips. SMC22307 Oct 2017 #186

Obama signed the Lilly Ledbetter act...and promotes women's rights. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #295

Michelle Obama would have been an excellent choice for Opening speaker. nt DesertRat Oct 2017 #356

I agree...and it would have been about women...what it is now is a political rally... Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #390

As much as Obama has done for women, I am not sure he passes the test either. stevenleser Oct 2017 #326

Of course not Barak. But WHERE'S MICHELLE? Not in Detroit on Oct 27-29. Hortensis Oct 2017 #422

You Are Right Me. Oct 2017 #17

+1000 for honesty GaryCnf Oct 2017 #19

Sorry, but it absolutely does. TNNurse Oct 2017 #40

Yeah, well the keynote speaker is Maxine Waters. So......... Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2017 #46

The keynote speaker is . . . wait . . . a woman GaryCnf Oct 2017 #203

Maxine needs a MAN TO FIRE UP THE CROWD FOR HER? EllieBC Oct 2017 #308

+1, it's just disgusting that they appropriated her words R B Garr Oct 2017 #313

That is exactly what it is ...you know Our revolution is involved. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #403

Your outrage can end then, Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2017 #405

Nina has said when she was promoting Mello that the Democratic Party was going to have to accept Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #197

Nina Turner said that she is open to supporting Republicans? yardwork Oct 2017 #374

I read that, yardwork. sheshe2 Oct 2017 #383

Yes she did...and Greens too. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #389

I would not go near anything murielm99 Oct 2017 #387

Dont engage Eliot Rosewater Oct 2017 #9

... sheshe2 Oct 2017 #11

Put politics aside: Listen to this male politician give his stump speech. SaschaHM Oct 2017 #12

Yep. sheshe2 Oct 2017 #43

Yep. That's pretty much it in a nutshell. eom BlueCaliDem Oct 2017 #156

The same speech...usuallyl Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #294

Btw, Tamika Mallory GaryCnf Oct 2017 #13

the pointof this conference is to fire up the 99 to retake the house questionseverything Oct 2017 #32

Thank you GaryCnf Oct 2017 #39

Women were fired up a long time ago. sheshe2 Oct 2017 #69

Exactly! Tamika could also be simply honest about who R B Garr Oct 2017 #161

So fired up that a majority of white women Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2017 #406

I fail to see how something this divisive will fire up anyone. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #296

Sorry, but the real point is to attack the Democratic Party. Hortensis Oct 2017 #423

so u really hate ms mallory, i guess questionseverything Oct 2017 #424

No, I don't hate her. I despise her contemptible, mean-spirited troublemaking. Hortensis Oct 2017 #425

Hmmm sheshe2 Oct 2017 #44

I know you've been instructed GaryCnf Oct 2017 #54

Instructed? No. sheshe2 Oct 2017 #129

Tamika Mallory is a friend of yours? sheshe2 Oct 2017 #102

Yes GaryCnf Oct 2017 #146

She did that herself...by making a decision she knew would be controversial and doing so after the Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #141

She is one of four leader of the woman's march. I am not impressed thus far. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #311

Is there another black woman who has GaryCnf Oct 2017 #323

There were four women who organized the woman's march not one. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #325

I lulzed. That's funny. Squinch Oct 2017 #29

60-2 n/t GaryCnf Oct 2017 #33

I don't think they realize how insulting they are to these Women of Color leaders of the convention Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2017 #50

They actually released an explaination earlier saying they needed his leadership .... bettyellen Oct 2017 #56

That's not true. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2017 #59

They said want Bernie to tell them "what to do" I guess you missed that story... bettyellen Oct 2017 #124

Here is their statement, looks like it's an after-the-fact, after-the-brouhaha statement. George II Oct 2017 #107

What a hot mess the organizers turned this into .. JHan Oct 2017 #110

I'm starting to wonder if the "organizers" are really the organizers. George II Oct 2017 #111

OMG melman Oct 2017 #115

Im thinking the same thing. yardwork Oct 2017 #137

It was in an interview with USA Today- I posted the link in response to a post that said I was lying bettyellen Oct 2017 #126

OMG! sheshe2 Oct 2017 #130

There aren't 60 speakers, only 44: George II Oct 2017 #109

"They" are simply pointing out that the choice was a ridiculous one. Squinch Oct 2017 #114

Yep. sheshe2 Oct 2017 #131

And won't respond when called out on this obvious attempt to falsely smear DU'ers as racist emulatorloo Oct 2017 #327

THIS sheshe2 Oct 2017 #336

Thank you for mansplain' this. brer cat Oct 2017 #205

I try really really hard to keep my hysterics in check. sheshe2 Oct 2017 #210

I don't think you realize how your insulting your attempt to smear DU'ers as racists emulatorloo Oct 2017 #324

I guess it's ok to take away agency of women of color when they do something you disagree with. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2017 #353

Nah you've been promoting this talking point multiple times in this thread irregardless of what's emulatorloo Oct 2017 #354

Omg. Are you serious? Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2017 #357

I see a couple three outlier opinions. None of them are based on the race of the organizers. emulatorloo Oct 2017 #358

Here. This is on this page/thread Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2017 #361

And you believe that is a majority opinion @ DU? It's an outlier, if I had seen I would have pushed emulatorloo Oct 2017 #362

Its too bad that the poster didnt include a link to my post. You could have found it more quickly. yardwork Oct 2017 #371

I posted that. You should have given me credit. yardwork Oct 2017 #370

At least you were quoted correctly and your words weren't changed, unlike my "quote". George II Oct 2017 #377

I saw that! yardwork Oct 2017 #378

Rather than a clarification or, heaven forbid, an apology, I got a "Lol"! But.... George II Oct 2017 #379

I appreciate the amplification of our points. yardwork Oct 2017 #380

... George II Oct 2017 #381

Oh it's an outlier alright. But not among The Bernie Rapid Response Team. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2017 #366

Ok have a great dinner. emulatorloo Oct 2017 #367

The first one was me, and I didn't say "the organizers aren't the organizers".... George II Oct 2017 #372

Lol. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2017 #373

So you completely changed the meaning of what I said, get "caught", and you "Lol"? Lol. George II Oct 2017 #376

Cause what's a feminist conference without some mansplaining? MoonRiver Oct 2017 #147

You know we can't get anything done without a man. And all those Squinch Oct 2017 #153

We DU women get it. MoonRiver Oct 2017 #159

Politically tone deaf. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #170

This. cwydro Oct 2017 #3

Happy to rec this mcar Oct 2017 #6

Sanders himself aside, couldn't the organizers find enough smart, dynamic WOMEN to speak? catbyte Oct 2017 #14

How About Michelle Obama For Starters Me. Oct 2017 #20

Gillibrand and Harris were invited but couldn't attend. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2017 #51

And The Others Me. Oct 2017 #78

You tell me. I'm not the one throwing a fit over to these Women of Color organizers ... Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2017 #85

"Bernie Sanders to deliver opening-night speech at Women's Convention" Me. Oct 2017 #91

Sounds like this conference was very poorly planned, or the organizers are being very evasive. yardwork Oct 2017 #140

! Me. Oct 2017 #149

Its just my observation from years of experience organizing events. yardwork Oct 2017 #150

It bothers me that you insinuate these organizers are on Putin's payroll emulatorloo Oct 2017 #368

Putin is paying a lot of money to divide Democrats and I call it like I see it. yardwork Oct 2017 #369

Yes, sounds like a lot of behind the scenes co-opting R B Garr Oct 2017 #164

Why are you trying to make this about race? It's about a tone deaf decision and terrible optics. emulatorloo Oct 2017 #241

Were they really invited? Their quasi-official after the fact statement.... George II Oct 2017 #117

I looked at the statement. I am not convinced any were invited...the statement does not explicitly Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #196

lapucelle posted a WAPO link above. sheshe2 Oct 2017 #337

That is so disgusting...there are no words.. going to have to organize our own stuff... I refuse to Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #344

No interest for me either. sheshe2 Oct 2017 #346

I don't think they were invited to participate...and Maxine was at the last minute too. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #396

Yeah, the organizers went back in time and planted this article in September to trick people Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2017 #399

Did you rad it? Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #402

Lol. Here we go again Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2017 #408

Nowhere does is say she will speak...they are talking about how they used her words in the name of Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #411

Lol . okiedokie Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2017 #415

You know what I am saying is true...you won't admit that there is no evidence anyone Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #416

So how did this work? Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2017 #419

They said nothing about her speaking. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #421

Two more sheshe2 Oct 2017 #133

All I have seen is a wishy washy Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #297

so happy to knr. mopinko Oct 2017 #15

I agree, thanks mo! sheshe2 Oct 2017 #16

trust me, as soon as the ducks are all rounded up mopinko Oct 2017 #21

We can do this one race at a time! sheshe2 Oct 2017 #26

just like the wrong wing did. start down ticket. mopinko Oct 2017 #31

I wish the best for her all around... sheshe2 Oct 2017 #48

thanks she. mopinko Oct 2017 #97

It's hard to believe the planners are that tone-deaf. brer cat Oct 2017 #18

I don't get why some don't see what is wrong with this picture. sheshe2 Oct 2017 #24

This paragraph is THE WHOLE TRUTH. I want it up where a billion people would see it. BlancheSplanchnik Oct 2017 #37

Hi Blanche. sheshe2 Oct 2017 #49

Hi she! Hugs!!! The gopee don't like us, you say? BlancheSplanchnik Oct 2017 #83

Better than gopee... sheshe2 Oct 2017 #103

They don't see anything wrong brer cat Oct 2017 #53

So you got a conference by and for women. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2017 #55

There should be 0 men leftofcool Oct 2017 #70

. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2017 #74

Or, and tell me if you think I am wrong, if there was an elected Democratic male whose #1 stevenleser Oct 2017 #79

Do you have a link to where your quote came from so we have some context? sheshe2 Oct 2017 #73

I don't do twitter either but here is a post with the twitter links embedded so you can view. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2017 #76

How did I drag their name through the mud by saying they made a bad decision? sheshe2 Oct 2017 #82

It's in the quote I posted. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2017 #86

I copied it because you did not post a link. sheshe2 Oct 2017 #92

Why won't YOU brer cat Oct 2017 #331

This is a Womens Conference but your seem to narrow the focus to WOC vs all Women. Why's that? ATL Ebony Oct 2017 #345

Maybe you shouldn't imply that decisions made by WOC can't be questioned simply because Squinch Oct 2017 #154

It's one slimy tactic is what it is. n/t kcr Oct 2017 #166

Why to you continually repeat "Women of Color" or "WOC" in your posts? People are upset... George II Oct 2017 #212

This is the second time you put this quote up. Control-Z Oct 2017 #75

He finally posted this sheshe2 Oct 2017 #99

That is a slimy tactic and not even true... Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #307

I agree with you 100%, Demsrule. sheshe2 Oct 2017 #339

It's become a cult of personality. Adrahil Oct 2017 #63

The entire intention is to divide. yardwork Oct 2017 #139

brilliant article. JHan Oct 2017 #23

It really is, JHan. sheshe2 Oct 2017 #52

Disgusted with their choice for so many reasons. efhmc Oct 2017 #25

This one certainly can't hold a candle to the Seneca Falls Convention. George II Oct 2017 #30

Not even close. sheshe2 Oct 2017 #36

I knew the Clinton partisans wouldn't be pleased with this choice. nt m-lekktor Oct 2017 #34

Well, I knew that the.... sheshe2 Oct 2017 #35

Yes, I knew that the... R B Garr Oct 2017 #47

Why thank you, RB. sheshe2 Oct 2017 #57

You could probably have predicted that a lot of female partisans wouldn't like it either. That Squinch Oct 2017 #116

You mean having a man speak for women at a womens conference? leftofcool Oct 2017 #127

women are not pleased period. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #142

This has nothing to do with Clinton... I support the next Democratic candidate ... Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #171

The Clinton partisans? murielm99 Oct 2017 #177

Of course you'd say that, that's the only framing you know emulatorloo Oct 2017 #342

Bernie's Income Inequality Message Aside, What Has He Done to Advance the Cause of Women's Rights? dlk Oct 2017 #38

Thanks, I've been waiting for someone to bring up reality. R B Garr Oct 2017 #42

He's a life long staunch defender of Women's Rights in Congress Tom Rinaldo Oct 2017 #151

Yet he has endorsed at least three anti-choice candidates recently. MrsCoffee Oct 2017 #182

It literally is the position of the Democratic Party not to have a litmus test on that Tom Rinaldo Oct 2017 #184

"Sexual adjustment seemed to be very poor in those with cancer of the cervix" RandySF Oct 2017 #291

Its a horrible decision and would be if you change it to any diversity group stevenleser Oct 2017 #41

Great post, stevenleser. And you're right that the decision R B Garr Oct 2017 #45

Is this event the kickoff for Bernie's 2020 presidential campaign? comradebillyboy Oct 2017 #62

That's really the only thing that makes sense about this choice because its not about women stevenleser Oct 2017 #68

It's a Bernie Fest leftofcool Oct 2017 #72

+1, his own words were interesting about using the R B Garr Oct 2017 #163

Thanks. I tried to make this point on Twitter, and got some hurr durr from the defenders of this. Starry Messenger Oct 2017 #77

Thanks Steven. sheshe2 Oct 2017 #87

Thank YOU sheshe! Your OP inspired me to change this comment into an OP of my own! stevenleser Oct 2017 #88

Link it Steven sheshe2 Oct 2017 #101

Actually I just wrote a second one. Here are links to both! stevenleser Oct 2017 #104

Excellent OPS! I kicked the heck out of them! Madam45for2923 Oct 2017 #300

You're so right. Not about women. This is about the cult of personality that surrounds BS. Tarheel_Dem Oct 2017 #94

There is most certainly a cult of personality. GaryCnf Oct 2017 #152

Thank YOU! smirkymonkey Oct 2017 #209

Hmmm...a bit pricey... janx Oct 2017 #60

Perhaps he'll explain that women's problems are due to economic inequality Orrex Oct 2017 #64

Yep. Which is a big part of why I think it was a bad decision. Even if he doesn't say that Squinch Oct 2017 #119

To drop out means he would get crap for not supporting the group Omaha Steve Oct 2017 #65

Where did anyone say that he did, Steve? sheshe2 Oct 2017 #80

It wasn't aimed at you Omaha Steve Oct 2017 #90

Thank you for clarifying. sheshe2 Oct 2017 #93

K&R stonecutter357 Oct 2017 #67

This is a WOMEN'S conference. Men need to back off and defer to . . . . . WOMEN Stinky The Clown Oct 2017 #81

Of the 44 speakers, 42 are women and 2 are men oberliner Oct 2017 #84

Who does the other man happen to be? Demit Oct 2017 #89

Abdul El-Sayed oberliner Oct 2017 #95

Thanks. Demit Oct 2017 #108

There's nothing wrong with a man being a speaker. NastyRiffraff Oct 2017 #179

Maxine Waters is the keynote speaker oberliner Oct 2017 #183

I wonder if it ever occurred to BS that this might not be the forum for him? I mean it's not as if.. Tarheel_Dem Oct 2017 #96

OOOOOOH Forgot Me. Oct 2017 #100

Some are taking posters to task for attacking two WOC sheshe2 Oct 2017 #105

At least one of the organizers admitted that she knew the choice was controversial stevenleser Oct 2017 #106

The idea being pushed that a bad decison made by WOC cannot be called a bad decision simply Squinch Oct 2017 #118

Exactly. sheshe2 Oct 2017 #120

Hi, sheshe2! Squinch Oct 2017 #121

Hi ya, Squinch. sheshe2 Oct 2017 #122

Loony. And on our side the strife is always coming from the same corner. Squinch Oct 2017 #123

Sleep tight! sheshe2 Oct 2017 #125

It's not the decision. People are claiming these Women of Color "need" a white man's help. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2017 #176

Nice try, but you know that's not what it is and so do they. Squinch Oct 2017 #178

Well actually... sheshe2 Oct 2017 #185

Yeah bullshit. That doesn't even come close to "Bernie needs to tell us what to do" Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2017 #190

Alrighty then. eom sheshe2 Oct 2017 #191

Dude this is not about race. So stop insinuating DU'ers who question the idea of a man opening emulatorloo Oct 2017 #243

But the choice is so obviously a mistake that there is really no other argument for them to Squinch Oct 2017 #304

Oh they certainly requested his presence...very sneaky to do it after the time had passed for a Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #309

This message was self-deleted by its author Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #310

It's the Mello endorsement BainsBane Oct 2017 #132

Correct. sheshe2 Oct 2017 #134

Oh, but Bains, if we get economic parity for all white guys, civil rights violations against Squinch Oct 2017 #155

Just like in the 1950s! BainsBane Oct 2017 #160

Its obvious to me whats behind this. yardwork Oct 2017 #135

who benefits from not unifying on issues we supposedly all agree with? What is the actual JCanete Oct 2017 #143

LOL. You are equating a few posts on a message board with actual events. yardwork Oct 2017 #144

You don't even know who THE headline speaker is. Maxine Waters is the keynote speaker. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2017 #167

She is playing second fiddle to Sen. Sanders as he is the first speaker...sorry not acceptable for a Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #173

When does the headliner ever go on first? melman Oct 2017 #174

Yep. Bernie is just the warm-up act. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2017 #175

His act does not belong at this conference for the reasons already mentioned. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #198

Well you be sure to not invite him when you put together a convention. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2017 #200

I actually do stage events in my neck of the woods...and you can be sure he would not be invited to Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #305

you mean heaven05 Oct 2017 #316

The opening speaker is very important...and at a woman's conference, it should not be a man...and Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #199

BOOM!!!!!!!! heaven05 Oct 2017 #317

No, of course I'm not. I'm talking about the whole backlash from establishment figures like Joy Reid JCanete Oct 2017 #321

For the record Joy Reid is not 'establishment'...sick of hearing this stuff. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #404

Joy Reid is absolutely a party liner. When does she deviate from the script? That's my question. JCanete Oct 2017 #407

Being a loyal Democrat ...I am too...does not make you establishment... which is meant in a negative Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #412

How do you interpret "party liner?" Anybody who will take the party's position, or a specific JCanete Oct 2017 #413

I support the Democratic party without reservation. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #417

Sen. Sander is not solid on woman's rights...as he has repeatedly criticised identity politics Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #312

yes and I've addressed that in a couple posts. I disagree with you and I"ve explained why. I'd JCanete Oct 2017 #322

His votes are fine...but not the rhetoric. I see it the opposite way...he champions economic justice Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #329

+1000 (nt) ehrnst Oct 2017 #351

BOOM! Der it iz. BlueCaliDem Oct 2017 #157

K&R Gothmog Oct 2017 #148

"Maybe it will take Senator Sanders himself..." NastyRiffraff Oct 2017 #165

Why did they get to organize it? BainsBane Oct 2017 #168

Separatism has never been a good strategy for the Left . . FairWinds Oct 2017 #181

Zero discussion of issues, but never-ending pissing and moaning... SMC22307 Oct 2017 #187

Perhaps...the organizers shouldn't have asked him to speak at a Woman's conference. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #398

I'm a woman and couldn't care less if a man speaks at a woman's conference. SMC22307 Oct 2017 #430

Well many women -including me-did not agree. Alls well that ends well though. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #431

The "issues" were supposed to be women's issues. Not relegating those R B Garr Oct 2017 #231

"Rather they have their own political agenda and are inserting it to the detriment... SunSeeker Oct 2017 #188

I would have loved this to be about us. sheshe2 Oct 2017 #189

The 1977 women's conference and its Call To Action were heroic. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #202

You can't see one woman that is worthy? sheshe2 Oct 2017 #204

Truth Will Out Me. Oct 2017 #207

There are lots of worthy women today-I said nothing collectively dismissive Ken Burch Oct 2017 #230

Oh, so it's the establishment thing. betsuni Oct 2017 #237

That's my view about ALL movements for change. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #251

So you mean community organizers like Obama shouldn't try to get higher up in politics? betsuni Oct 2017 #274

I posted about JustAnotherGen Oct 2017 #298

Thank you for Skidmore Oct 2017 #338

Sorry I managed to sound that way. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #352

Good Grief Me. Oct 2017 #206

Wow. Just wow. sheshe2 Oct 2017 #208

Pretty sickening. smirkymonkey Oct 2017 #211

Stuns Me. Oct 2017 #213

I'm more than slightly upset here. herding cats Oct 2017 #215

Well At Least We Now Know What's What Me. Oct 2017 #217

Who'd say something so tone deaf as that? herding cats Oct 2017 #226

Not "women". A few leaders. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #218

KB Do Yourself A Favor Me. Oct 2017 #221

We all know THAT'S never going to happen. betsuni Oct 2017 #224

the people expressing outrage heaven05 Oct 2017 #320

No I wasn't defending the idea of inviting Bernie. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #348

Yeah, it's a real shame we don't have a strong voices like Rosalynn Carter, Lady Bird Johnson... herding cats Oct 2017 #214

I admire all of those women. And there are some good leaders today. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #216

So you're literally saying our current leaders have lost the message? herding cats Oct 2017 #220

The message has ceased to be transformative. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #233

What are you trying to say to me? herding cats Oct 2017 #242

I think he wants Transformers at the conference. Aren't Transformers a type of giant robot? betsuni Oct 2017 #245

I dunno. That could be kind of cool. herding cats Oct 2017 #248

It sure would be radical. Revolutionary even. betsuni Oct 2017 #253

Boys love transformers. Maybe that's it! Squinch Oct 2017 #303

What I was saying is the national feminist leadership is now sharply to the right Ken Burch Oct 2017 #258

Ok, I'm willing to take this in baby steps with you. herding cats Oct 2017 #262

There's no reason to get all Inquisition on this Ken Burch Oct 2017 #266

I asked you to back up your assertions. That's all. herding cats Oct 2017 #267

This message was self-deleted by its author Ken Burch Oct 2017 #271

Who? Where? When? herding cats Oct 2017 #272

It's not about individuals Ken Burch Oct 2017 #273

Then surely you can provide links to an article or charts or things you've read about these trends. betsuni Oct 2017 #276

No... your words were about an individual, not our cause or our voices. herding cats Oct 2017 #277

It's ALL about individuals NastyRiffraff Oct 2017 #359

You're just talking about Hillary aren't you? herding cats Oct 2017 #275

No. It's not about Hillary. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #349

Yet you said as much and then you chose to delete it. herding cats Oct 2017 #388

Ah, the list. betsuni Oct 2017 #283

They're not going to answer you. herding cats Oct 2017 #288

Oh, I don't expect an answer, don't even want an answer. betsuni Oct 2017 #292

Not "the list" Ken Burch Oct 2017 #347

with the BS economic message heaven05 Oct 2017 #334

That would be insulting if it werent so laughably misinformed. yardwork Oct 2017 #382

amazingly obvious heaven05 Oct 2017 #332

Oh, and I do want names and quotes. With links. herding cats Oct 2017 #265

I'm not attacking you or even commenting on you as an individual. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #269

Worst adult conversation I've ever had. herding cats Oct 2017 #281

Facts were way too difficult for you to provide? herding cats Oct 2017 #285

I too am... sheshe2 Oct 2017 #261

We're trying to flesh out what they mean here. herding cats Oct 2017 #264

Well, actually... sweetloukillbot Oct 2017 #280

Did you follow our conversation to its end? herding cats Oct 2017 #282

It's about what I'd expect from that particular poster... sweetloukillbot Oct 2017 #284

Omg. I didn't expect where we landed. herding cats Oct 2017 #286

Oh, you admire them, yet they still aren't good enough. sheshe2 Oct 2017 #222

I agree with everything in what you posted in the original OP, as I did then. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #238

Here it comes again, the old "Democrats don't have a message/don't stand for anything" betsuni Oct 2017 #223

No...it's "watering things down doesn't work". Ken Burch Oct 2017 #234

It's like a stuck record. JHan Oct 2017 #246

It's like there's a list. betsuni Oct 2017 #250

This message was self-deleted by its author Ken Burch Oct 2017 #260

"Respectability" -- you mean like wearing shoes and nice clothes? betsuni Oct 2017 #278

Respectability? Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #391

I think "respectability" is the new "establishment." betsuni Oct 2017 #400

Ah, I see. Anything to attack Democrats it seems. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #401

So Ken, come clean. This is performance art, right? Squinch Oct 2017 #227

No. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #236

But you maintain that no women today are worthy of carrying the flag of what, in your opinion, Squinch Oct 2017 #302

Please tell me this is a joke. This can't be real lunamagica Oct 2017 #229

Until a woman meets your standards BainsBane Oct 2017 #235

I've posted several times Bernie should turn down the invitation. But it's not MY standards here. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #239

This was your post BainsBane Oct 2017 #240

That was my post. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #244

Bullshit. Sorry to tell you, but you couldn't be more wrong. KitSileya Oct 2017 #252

I SUPPORT intersectionality-which also includes economic justice and always has. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #255

Excellent post! Metatron Oct 2017 #420

How do you know speakers' messages would be "stay the course, ask for as little as possible"? betsuni Oct 2017 #254

I didn't say that that's what ALL the speakers would say. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #257

Giving speaking slots to grassroots activists would turn them into leaders and once somebody is betsuni Oct 2017 #263

No. There needs to be new voices brought in from below at all times. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #350

???? heaven05 Oct 2017 #335

Post removed Post removed Oct 2017 #247

Oy. greatauntoftriplets Oct 2017 #299

you aren't serious????????????? heaven05 Oct 2017 #318

Yes, such a person does exist. lapucelle Oct 2017 #343

An already "controversial" First Lady beleaguered by a sneering media lapucelle Oct 2017 #355

The author nailed my feelings on this issue. herding cats Oct 2017 #219

An apology. sheshe2 Oct 2017 #225

My personal take? I suspect it was subterfuge which blew up on the planners. herding cats Oct 2017 #232

You'd think they've have learned from their nonsense back in January... JHan Oct 2017 #249

Personal confession moment. herding cats Oct 2017 #256

When is your rally? I won't attend the Woman's convention now after such a disrespectful Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #393

K&R betsuni Oct 2017 #228

They held onto this information until late. LisaM Oct 2017 #259

because they wanted to sell tickets and waited until after deadline for refunds JI7 Oct 2017 #268

What about Jennifer Granholm? LisaM Oct 2017 #279

didn't see anything about her either JI7 Oct 2017 #287

This is about promoting one man's candidacy for 2020...can You guess who that candidate will be? Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #395

So our revolution is involved? Boy, I feel stupid. I was not aware of that. I despise that woman and Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #394

Outrage for the sake of outrage. romanic Oct 2017 #270

This message was self-deleted by its author RandySF Oct 2017 #289

YEP! Also they waited to tell them about this decision so many felt that was wrong too. Madam45for2923 Oct 2017 #301

great OP heaven05 Oct 2017 #315

Thank you heaven! sheshe2 Oct 2017 #319

I will not be watching this event Gothmog Oct 2017 #340

Nor will I. sheshe2 Oct 2017 #341

"put the politics away" Lordquinton Oct 2017 #410

Sad the planning committee made it political. sheshe2 Oct 2017 #418

Are you happy now? Lordquinton Oct 2017 #426

Sad. sheshe2 Oct 2017 #427

The organizers are evidently making changes Gothmog Oct 2017 #428

;) sheshe2 Oct 2017 #429