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(56,253 posts) Sun Oct 15, 2017, 02:43 PM Oct 2017

ok, put in your guesses. what is the most likely realistic outcome of the mueller investigations? [View all]

my guess is:

- indictments and convictions of a small number of cronies (manafort, flynn, maybe a few more).

- a list of bad acts done by donnie, which could in theory be used as impeachable offenses, but on which the republican congress will do nothing of consequence. *if* democrats win the house, they likely would be used to justify an impeachment, but the senate will not remove (we need 2/3rd there).

- the media will call the report (and eventual impeachment in 2019 if we win the house) "historic", and they will describe the allegations as "quite remarkable", and then dismiss it all as donnie being an outsider to washington and not knowing the subtle rules.

in other words, it will further solidify opposition to donnie, but it will not lead to much in the way of concrete political difference.

i wish i could be more optimistic, but i'm not.

what do you think???

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ok, put in your guesses. what is the most likely *realistic* outcome of the mueller investigations? [View all] unblock Oct 2017 OP

Your first point Yupster Oct 2017 #1

My guess is that Mueller Time temporary311 Oct 2017 #2

exactly. unblock Oct 2017 #6

Totally different circumstances and that reporter was rightly humiliated emulatorloo Oct 2017 #10

Mueller: case of Century. Trump and family go down. sharedvalues Oct 2017 #61

A President can issue pardons at any time...even if under indictment brooklynite Oct 2017 #94

NYAG Schneiderman: crimes charged can't be pardoned sharedvalues Oct 2017 #98

With all due respect to AG Schneiderman, that's his opinion... brooklynite Oct 2017 #99

No, settled law. Pres can't pardon state crimes. sharedvalues Oct 2017 #100

We're not talking about State crimes; the OP is about Mueller's investigation brooklynite Oct 2017 #106

Yes. Manafort can be charged with state crimes sharedvalues Oct 2017 #108

Yep. My feeling exactly. PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2017 #84

It will culminate in an invasion by colossal robot lobsters Orrex Oct 2017 #3

ftw! unblock Oct 2017 #4

Lobstrosities! n/t MuseRider Oct 2017 #33

I thought it was a rock ProudLib72 Oct 2017 #58

Down! Down! eom Dulcinea Oct 2017 #95

The Lobspocolips n/t Smickey Oct 2017 #62

Google can find it... Ellipsis Oct 2017 #69

love Samurai Jack... yuiyoshida Oct 2017 #76

All Of Them Will Get Away With No Jail Time Of Course SeattlePop Oct 2017 #5

here i disagree. unblock Oct 2017 #7

Pardon City SeattlePop Oct 2017 #9

that i don't know about. unblock Oct 2017 #12

Not for state crimes. He cannot pardon those charged w state crimes, only federal emulatorloo Oct 2017 #14

true, but i think mueller is technically only looking into federal crimes. unblock Oct 2017 #18

He's working with/coordinating w a couple state prosecutors emulatorloo Oct 2017 #26

Right unblock Oct 2017 #42

Schneiderman NYAG will jail him. sharedvalues Oct 2017 #60

You Can't Indict The Messiah Of The Deplorables SeattlePop Oct 2017 #8

yes, i think donnie will escape. unblock Oct 2017 #11

Even if trump and buddies escape...the Christian Right will martyr his persecution... Tikki Oct 2017 #74

I really hope you are wrong, but I suspect you are right. Squinch Oct 2017 #13

He will prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that all this crap took place. Doreen Oct 2017 #15

Agreed. The GOP will try to make it look like a left-wing witch hunt. C Moon Oct 2017 #70

Yeah, This RobinA Oct 2017 #102

A treasonous, damming report that warrents immediate impeachment Chasstev365 Oct 2017 #16

Sadly, cilla4progress Oct 2017 #17

If Mueller doesn't get Trump, then he shouldn't get anyone Orrex Oct 2017 #19

I like your optimism (n/t) PJMcK Oct 2017 #29

unfortunately I agree LiberalLovinLug Oct 2017 #39

Wrong. Politico reports Trump can't pardon state crimes and Mueller is teaming up with NY AG womanofthehills Oct 2017 #90

Yes, that's true. Orrex Oct 2017 #91

Remember what sent Al Capone to prison. Dulcinea Oct 2017 #96

Yeah, we keep hoping. Orrex Oct 2017 #97

I expect he will resign soon! yallerdawg Oct 2017 #20

my best case scenario is basically this. unblock Oct 2017 #23

Thar would be the smart way... TomVilmer Oct 2017 #77

My honest opinion: Bodies will be flying around like bowling pins. n/t LuckyCharms Oct 2017 #21

We are headed for armed civil conflict IamFortunesFool Oct 2017 #22

rush limbaugh and foxnews was always going to lead to this point. unblock Oct 2017 #24

It is a terribly fraught situation IamFortunesFool Oct 2017 #25

This is not the result of insufficient education unblock Oct 2017 #40

I have to disagree IamFortunesFool Oct 2017 #45

Fair distinction. Might point was they were actively taught to hate unblock Oct 2017 #46

K & R - Excellent summary. KY_EnviroGuy Oct 2017 #48

But if you censor them, they can censor YOU. 7962 Oct 2017 #68

Yes, that was my point in saying that censoring them is the antithesis of free speech. IamFortunesFool Oct 2017 #80

I was referring to the Govt, not the public. I didn't specify. 7962 Oct 2017 #88

whatever it leads to elmac Oct 2017 #27

Whatever the outcome madamesilverspurs Oct 2017 #28

For the forseeable future, Mr.Bill Oct 2017 #32

I think DT is as guilty as hell and was counting on Sessions to cover for him. pnwmom Oct 2017 #30

Sure, I'll parody prophecy again. Igel Oct 2017 #31

Id like to think that eventually the GOP will force him to resign to save face. world wide wally Oct 2017 #34

I have no prediction at all. It's impossible to know what MineralMan Oct 2017 #35

Yessir Smickey Oct 2017 #66

I'm guardedly optimistic. cab67 Oct 2017 #36

You're being more optimistic than I am. Garrett78 Oct 2017 #37

"... donnie being an outsider to washington and not knowing the subtle rules." rock Oct 2017 #38

Let me try jmowreader Oct 2017 #41

Oh good grief unblock Oct 2017 #44

I doubt much will happen. SHitler will go on a twitter rage-fest. Our only hope... CousinIT Oct 2017 #43

If Muelller doesn't get Trump, then I think the investigation is a failure. rockfordfile Oct 2017 #47

Nothing will happen to Trump, but many of his stooges will be in deep shit. trump will throw them demosincebirth Oct 2017 #49

there is absolutley no doubt in my mind that orange bastard colluded with Russia Skittles Oct 2017 #50

I think you're probably right, although I'm interested in what the New York AG is looking into. Vinca Oct 2017 #51

The horrific nature of the truths revealed will result in Trump's resignation. L. Coyote Oct 2017 #52

I believe Trump will be charged with Obstruction of Justice Downtown Hound Oct 2017 #53

+1, forgot about this one the obstruction of justice is nearly a slam dunk. He admitted on live TV uponit7771 Oct 2017 #104

Mueller will get Trump for obstruction of justice. Jim__ Oct 2017 #54

I doubt we'll see an impeachment. davsand Oct 2017 #55

Many Republican party & others charged with treason, colluding with Russia, spying, high crimes. Sunlei Oct 2017 #56

Not much. broadcaster90210 Oct 2017 #57

Trump and his kids all go to jail sharedvalues Oct 2017 #59

I think dumpf will be impeached AND prosecuted SonofDonald Oct 2017 #63

Only one recourse for the messiah of the deplorables ProudLib72 Oct 2017 #64

Trump will pardon everyone recommended for indictment madville Oct 2017 #65

Not much. 7962 Oct 2017 #67

the scapegoats go to jail & the moron resigns Motley13 Oct 2017 #71

Trump will pardon everyone connected louis c Oct 2017 #72

Number 1 they are setting up Manafort as the fall guy and no doc03 Oct 2017 #73

No justice until C_U_L8R Oct 2017 #75

Whose Reality ,,, Cryptoad Oct 2017 #78

Trump has been in the NY real estate game for 40+ years and also has ties to Russian oil money. Bleacher Creature Oct 2017 #79

I didn't know the investigations were still going on. egduj Oct 2017 #81

It depends on a lot of variables, especially the timing of the report, and the media's response Fiendish Thingy Oct 2017 #82

Yep. A couple of cronies might get short sentences at a country club prison but that's all. Kablooie Oct 2017 #83

No impeachment MyNameGoesHere Oct 2017 #85

In the end, impeachment is a political act unblock Oct 2017 #86

Nothing. Nothing will happen. vi5 Oct 2017 #87

I pretty much agree with you madokie Oct 2017 #89

Your assessment is much like that of my own prediction. PufPuf23 Oct 2017 #92

I think you pretty much have it right Locrian Oct 2017 #93

Don't wanna jinx it... have my fingers double crossed for good luck. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #101

A few people get indicted Bettie Oct 2017 #103

I continue to believe tRump will not finish the first term. Joe941 Oct 2017 #105

I agree with you LeftInTX Oct 2017 #107

I think the result of the investigation itself will be quite damning. Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2017 #109

A few cronies get scooped up, Trump lives on, new election regulations. nt JoeStuckInOH Oct 2017 #110