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Hortensis

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107. Right-wing lies are about division and destruction.

Tue Oct 17, 2017, 10:51 AM

Oct 2017

KPN, how are YOU "out of touch" with what working people like you and your friends and family members want and need?

if you're anything approaching a typical Democrat, you're not. It's as simple as that.

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The Democrats have a working class problem - and it's by no means confined to working class whites. [View all] YoungDemCA Oct 2017 OP

NOPE Iliyah Oct 2017 #1

? YoungDemCA Oct 2017 #2

What a useless post you have written. "NOPE"? Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2017 #47

you seem very concerned .. stonecutter357 Oct 2017 #134

I disagree BannonsLiver Oct 2017 #158

This is a huge right-wing, Republican Party, Russian, Koch alliance lie. Hortensis Oct 2017 #56

You're missing the point. Kentonio Oct 2017 #89

You are. Of course the giant Democrats are 'out of touch' smear is a lie. Hortensis Oct 2017 #92

Well perhaps you should make a little more effort to avoid being the latter. Kentonio Oct 2017 #94

Polls demonstrate success of the lie, not the truth. I'll ask YOU again: Are YOU out of touch Hortensis Oct 2017 #95

I already know our platform, thank you very much. Kentonio Oct 2017 #97

Where did you get your stat that 90% of American's don't care about politics? moda253 Oct 2017 #103

How about this information PJMcK Oct 2017 #142

NO!!! Negative propaganda is far more effective than "communicating a platform." Hortensis Oct 2017 #104

So when large numbers of people consistently poll that they don't feel we represent them any more Kentonio Oct 2017 #110

You imply the platform is as complicated as string theory. It's not... it's rather simple LanternWaste Oct 2017 #143

Do yourself a favor. Glamrock Oct 2017 #152

So simple, and yet we do such a horrible job of communicating it Kentonio Oct 2017 #154

Here we go again. The Platform ... KPN Oct 2017 #108

"blah, blah, blah" for our 50-PAGE platform of Democratic ideals and goals? Hortensis Oct 2017 #111

No ... blah, blah, blah about ... KPN Oct 2017 #115

All you see is 35 years of Democratic Party failure. Hortensis Oct 2017 #120

BS. "All I see" my ass! KPN Oct 2017 #123

I'm reading YOUR words and taking your message. And I don't like it at all. Hortensis Oct 2017 #126

And I obviously don't like your message ... KPN Oct 2017 #129

LOL ...I have tried that a couple times recently, no traction. Eliot Rosewater Oct 2017 #135

Not 'purity," just wired-in hostility looking for excuses. Hortensis Oct 2017 #137

Yeah, I guess. Not being able to discuss what happened, why it happened and how to Eliot Rosewater Oct 2017 #138

Effectively yes. Hortensis Oct 2017 #140

Yes, the purity deal is incorrect, I agree. Nothing pure about saying as long as I get Eliot Rosewater Oct 2017 #141

Yes! But of course, if Democrats had achieved single-payer, they'd be AGAINST that. Hortensis Oct 2017 #146

You are way wrong. This isn't about KPN Oct 2017 #161

35 years of failure? Remember, during almost half those years we had two successful Democratic... George II Oct 2017 #124

Yeah, failure as far as supporting the working class on KPN Oct 2017 #127

An unprecedented string of 70 months of job growth isn't helping/supporting the working class? George II Oct 2017 #147

Yes, some of us are very proud of these wonderful "failures." Hortensis Oct 2017 #130

Blah blah blah, dont you understand, you can list accomplishments all day long Eliot Rosewater Oct 2017 #136

You certainly make many unsupported allegations. LanternWaste Oct 2017 #144

Key words in your post were KPN Oct 2017 #105

Right-wing lies are about division and destruction. Hortensis Oct 2017 #107

I'm not. But way too many Democrats are in my view. KPN Oct 2017 #113

WTF? KPN Oct 2017 #102

Bernis Sanders focused on economic issues. Some say too much. eom guillaumeb Oct 2017 #3

They said the same thing about Clinton. YoungDemCA Oct 2017 #5

True, but some wish that his economic choices had been different. eom guillaumeb Oct 2017 #62

Perhaps we shouldn't blindly just compare eras... or years... JHan Oct 2017 #145

DURec leftstreet Oct 2017 #4

Thank you. (Nt) YoungDemCA Oct 2017 #6

apparently MFM008 Oct 2017 #7

So give them a simple, compelling reason to vote FOR Clinton (or anyone else - including Sanders) YoungDemCA Oct 2017 #9

Comey letter made a major difference for last-minute deciders. emulatorloo Oct 2017 #13

Your points are well taken. YoungDemCA Oct 2017 #14

Orange is the new king was on every program at 7 AM sharp 18 months before the goddamn election elehhhhna Oct 2017 #52

Yeah, so let's blame whoever hired Comey! vi5 Oct 2017 #36

I did not say anything remotely like that. emulatorloo Oct 2017 #139

I didn't say that you did.... vi5 Oct 2017 #156

Thanks for the clarification. A decent post from Sam Wang of Princeton Election Consortium emulatorloo Oct 2017 #162

I absolutely believe that Comey tipped this away from Hillary. vi5 Oct 2017 #163

I'd argue we didn't have a strong message on those things. Kentonio Oct 2017 #90

+ a brazillion! nt tblue37 Oct 2017 #106

Disagree. I don't think you are taking everything into account including ... KPN Oct 2017 #117

It's unfortunate that you blame Democrats for what Republicans have done emulatorloo Oct 2017 #150

Exactly. The "Liberal Media" - especially Cable News - spent little time discussing policies. JHan Oct 2017 #132

Please stop. Clinton actually won a "stolen" election with 3m more votes. brush Oct 2017 #19

I'd love it if my state - and other large blue states - decided the Presidential election. YoungDemCA Oct 2017 #21

Yes! peggysue2 Oct 2017 #49

Fear preaching?! Kentonio Oct 2017 #91

Yes, fear preaching or fud or whatever you want to call. We know there's a challenge ahead but the.. brush Oct 2017 #109

If that's the message you're taking away from the op, then you're not reading it right Kentonio Oct 2017 #112

Re-read my post. The OP should acknowledge our latest positive developments. It's not all FUD. brush Oct 2017 #114

"Throw up our hands and give up"? Where in the world KPN Oct 2017 #119

Re-read my post. The OP should acknowledge our latest positive developments. It's not all FUD. brush Oct 2017 #122

Okay, did that. KPN Oct 2017 #125

What about the positive developments? brush Oct 2017 #128

Positive developments as far as off year special election wins? KPN Oct 2017 #131

+1 progressoid Oct 2017 #23

People who need to be begged MFM008 Oct 2017 #86

Sounds like a good way to win elections - calling Americans stupid and lazy! (nt) YoungDemCA Oct 2017 #155

THIS ! KPN Oct 2017 #116

Black voter turnout in 2016 was similar to that of 2004. dawg Oct 2017 #8

At least some of this was due to murielm99 Oct 2017 #15

Yes, and considering ... dawg Oct 2017 #16

I went to our five county JFK Dinner murielm99 Oct 2017 #43

Black voters were very unlikely to turn out like they did in 2008 & 2012 MichMan Oct 2017 #65

You do understand Clinton won households making 50k and under right? emulatorloo Oct 2017 #10

I do, yes, but "economic anxiety" in the USA is by no means limited to the poor. YoungDemCA Oct 2017 #12

it doesn't necessarily negate your point. It informs it and is part of the bigger picture emulatorloo Oct 2017 #18

IIRC, the top issues for Trump voters in those Rust Belt states were economic too. HOWEVER... YoungDemCA Oct 2017 #20

Did Trump put forth a "economic agenda that honestly addresses the deep anxieties of working-class"? emulatorloo Oct 2017 #22

Wisconsin and Michigan turned red in 2010 delisen Oct 2017 #29

But "working class" people were more likely to vote for Hillary. n/t pnwmom Oct 2017 #41

When I see a sentence like this one ... LenaBaby61 Oct 2017 #11

I must say...this has been a more civil and respectful discussion thread than many others I've seen. YoungDemCA Oct 2017 #17

Another thread trashing Democrats...but wait didn't I hear that never happens? Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #25

Sounds like walking a chewing gum ... dems can do that uponit7771 Oct 2017 #24

Dams can do that.... vi5 Oct 2017 #37

Many people are alienated from politics. Willie Pep Oct 2017 #26

Please. I find falling for this crap depressing and disturbing. Jakes Progress Oct 2017 #27

I think you missed the point zipplewrath Oct 2017 #32

I didn't. But I think you did. She didn't lose. It was stolen. Jakes Progress Oct 2017 #84

Not sure I can agree with that zipplewrath Oct 2017 #100

Sure. Everyone else is wrong because you can't agree with them. Jakes Progress Oct 2017 #160

This does not surprise me. PETRUS Oct 2017 #28

I had the opposite experience. the Trump delisen Oct 2017 #33

Interesting. PETRUS Oct 2017 #38

No they were African-American. delisen Oct 2017 #39

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2017 #73

The "argument" for voting for Democrats *should* be blatantly obvious for most people Proud Liberal Dem Oct 2017 #30

Seriously... Fuck that shit... Blue_Tires Oct 2017 #31

Because they are part of the "blue wall". zipplewrath Oct 2017 #34

Most people I know do not like being labeled as "working class." delisen Oct 2017 #35

Republicans never call people working class. delisen Oct 2017 #40

Sure, bro... Whatever you say Blue_Tires Oct 2017 #50

Thanks, you saved me some time. Eliot Rosewater Oct 2017 #51

Simply put...the Democratic Party is the party of government. Caliman73 Oct 2017 #61

One of the best posts in a long time Awsi Dooger Oct 2017 #87

Bingo- and everyone forgets, a LOT of people are really stupid in this country snooper2 Oct 2017 #99

++++++ well said. JHan Oct 2017 #121

Very well said, thank you n/t emulatorloo Oct 2017 #151

"Party of government" What about organized labor, the grassroots, people of color, LGBT, the poor? YoungDemCA Oct 2017 #157

You can be wary all you want. Democrats are the party of government. Caliman73 Oct 2017 #159

The OP changed the actual title and put their own spin on it ismnotwasm Oct 2017 #96

Russian propaganda was specifically targeted to black voters and young voters. pnwmom Oct 2017 #42

Yup!!! Wellstone ruled Oct 2017 #57

Exactly. Blue_true Oct 2017 #74

It also ignores the fact that if Bernie were the nominee, Russia STILL would have wanted Trump pnwmom Oct 2017 #77

The thing that bothers me more than Russians. Blue_true Oct 2017 #79

Of course they wouldn't have backed Bernie -- they would have attacked him like they attacked her. pnwmom Oct 2017 #80

Whoah there! Kentonio Oct 2017 #93

Gawd ananda Oct 2017 #44

Regardless of who manufactured the problem it exists. It has to be dealt with. Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2017 #48

So your solution is Bernie. Blue_true Oct 2017 #76

You didn't even READ my post. Do not STUFF WORDS into my mouth. It is a DISGUSTING debating tactic. Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2017 #88

Heard this analysis zentrum Oct 2017 #45

then we need to learn who to target and not keep heaping shit on the democratic brand. JHan Oct 2017 #54

Republicans *are* the problem. zentrum Oct 2017 #81

"Authentic" and messaging... JHan Oct 2017 #98

You can thank the complicit media for that. And those who pushed the meme... coolsandy Oct 2017 #46

After what has taken place since,,,,, Cryptoad Oct 2017 #53

Then, they are not paying attention because the Democratic Party hands down is better for the nation Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #55

2/3 of people get their news from FB these days, and FB was an anti-Hillary cesspool. pnwmom Oct 2017 #58

There was an is a lot of that going on. Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #59

Add those lies to 25 years of a relentless, coordinated conspiracy to destroy her and her Eliot Rosewater Oct 2017 #60

Then let's be bold because a bold economic agenda will not come from tinkering with the minimum wage JHan Oct 2017 #63

Has Clinton actually spoken on UBI? Very interesting. I can understand not running on UBI in JCanete Oct 2017 #153

It's one thing to say Dems have a messaging problem (w/ the corporate media partly to blame). Garrett78 Oct 2017 #64

Wait a minute...This wasn't a scientific poll... just a large "focus group"... farmbo Oct 2017 #66

Realistically, underprivileged people are pretty much doomed in the future. Robotics and AI LittleBlue Oct 2017 #67

AI is taking Nedical and Law jobs. Blue_true Oct 2017 #78

Not this shit again. we can do it Oct 2017 #68

Dems have an access to voting problem, a gerrymander problem, and a hacker problem. L. Coyote Oct 2017 #69

I think you're right. ucrdem Oct 2017 #83

Yep. And I would add we have a problem sticking to a message/platform/talking points Freethinker65 Oct 2017 #101

Actually, it hasn't been effective. Without the cheating, they are total LOSERS. L. Coyote Oct 2017 #149

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2017 #70

It's a matter of getting them to vote as only 1/2 the people who can vote, do vote. uppityperson Oct 2017 #72

Democrats are too divided....they need to unite. kentuck Oct 2017 #71

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2017 #75

" I'm not a member of any organized party; I'm a Democrat." Alice11111 Oct 2017 #85

So basically we need another Obama. ucrdem Oct 2017 #82

Excellent article. KPN Oct 2017 #118

#fakenews. stonecutter357 Oct 2017 #133

It dehumanizes people to define them by work output. ileus Oct 2017 #148