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Awsi Dooger

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50. A video poker player won't have anything to do with the Mafia
Tue Oct 17, 2017, 06:21 PM
Oct 2017

That's silly. But I don't really fault anyone since the media in this case has done an incompetent job of defining the video poker player within the gambling community.

Video poker players are basically not respected. That could have been Paddock's breakdown as much as anything. He was self defined as the biggest video poker player in the world. That's not worth a shrug in Las Vegas. The casinos would know about him but not feel threatened by his action. The serious gamblers in town would basically ignore him due to his chosen specialty.

In video poker you play hundreds if not thousands of hands in rapid fire during an isolated sit down session. Nobody else is rooting you on or aware of anything you do. Well, not unless you hit a Royal Flush and the lights start flashing briefly, before the hand pay.

It is a mostly boring pursuit since you aren't making decisions on the fly as opposed to merely robotically holding the correct cards time after time. With the top guys there might be one hand in a thousand in which they have to pause briefly and consider which option is best. Otherwise it's clear cut math.

I have to laugh every time the FBI proclaims that Paddock wagered $30,000 per day, or whatever. Paddock during that deposition properly scoffed when the questioner asserted that a million dollars per day is a lot of money. Not in video poker. Not close. I'm sure there were days in which I wagered hundreds of thousands per day in video poker. There is no fear or sweat at all. You know damn well that virtually every dollar you cycle through the machine will be returned to you. Those machines are set at 98% or higher payback, not to mention the Player's Card you are using that bumps the return via comps and points. It's hardly the equivalent of a sports wager where you'll get back double your money, or nothing at all. That's the reason those guys become local legends when they dominate the sportsbooks over a stretch of time.

With high volume video poker players the primary variable is how often you hit 4 of a Kind. When those wins come in succession like 6 or 8 of them within an hour, then you clean up. But when you go an hour or more between 4 of a Kind, that's when your credits on the machine really dwindle. Guys go nuts, especially when they are dealt 3 of a Kind repeatedly but never draw the fourth.

I've been waiting for the media to point out something like that. Frankly they have no clue. Unless you are involved in gambling day to day and know other guys who are similarly relying on gambling of some sort for their livelihood, you simply can't pick up the realities from afar.

Obviously the Royal Flush or Straight Flush occurrences can also impact your bottom line. But those hands are so rare compared to 4 of a Kind, which is really the tipping point, like turnovers in football. The video poker player seated next to you can be an idiot who holds the wrong cards on 5 hands out of 100, but if he has a streak of good luck in 4 of a Kind he'll best the guy who won't make a mistake among one hand all year.

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Any theory is up for grabs, nobody knows...or at least they are saying if they do. eom Purveyor Oct 2017 #2
In psychology pbmus Oct 2017 #5
What worries me is the disappearance of The Grassy Mound Hortensis Oct 2017 #33
??? Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2017 #46
I think that's accurate True Dough Oct 2017 #3
A movie called , The Accountant... pbmus Oct 2017 #6
Is being plain evil now a mental illness? HipChick Oct 2017 #4
Evil is a religious term, overused and not descriptive enough pbmus Oct 2017 #7
Exactly MFM008 Oct 2017 #9
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Thanks for your candidness. KY_EnviroGuy Oct 2017 #18
you are right MFM008 Oct 2017 #44
I was not trying to be uppity sounding... pbmus Oct 2017 #48
A lot of rage behind that decision. haele Oct 2017 #42
I'll go with yours. He was a psychotic MF who bought a lot of guns and wanted to use them. brush Oct 2017 #14
She didn't leave him. joshcryer Oct 2017 #23
We agree he was a psychopathic MF though, right? brush Oct 2017 #41
"He was a bombastic narcissistic psychopath" joshcryer Oct 2017 #21
Enough for who? whathehell Oct 2017 #26
I am truly sorry that there will never be a sufficient pbmus Oct 2017 #55
Thank you whathehell Oct 2017 #57
.... pbmus Oct 2017 #59
and I believe that's exactly the answer.. mountain grammy Oct 2017 #39
He had a jones for excess. He lost money because he needed the casino "excitement" more. Once WinkyDink Oct 2017 #8
That is an interesting angle. Willie Pep Oct 2017 #10
Or you could tell your uncles that, some say, republicans planned this... Tikki Oct 2017 #13
He cased other venues, blocked from one hotel's "shooter" suite because it was WinkyDink Oct 2017 #16
there are tons of gun humping morons, many people who do things in excess Skittles Oct 2017 #12
Everybody's different, with different tolerances, needs, cravings, levels of adrenaline. WinkyDink Oct 2017 #17
I really think you're right Locrian Oct 2017 #32
Yes, I think that's an interesting angle to. LisaM Oct 2017 #51
Many low profile nutcases in gambling circles Awsi Dooger Oct 2017 #15
People 'crack up' every day. If Americans are 'paralyzed by fear,' it shouldn't be because TrollBuster9090 Oct 2017 #19
It is not difficult...look at all the guns he had...he wanted to experience hunting people... Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #20
I had a strange thought jmowreader Oct 2017 #22
If he had any problem with finances we would have known that almost immediately. former9thward Oct 2017 #37
A video poker player won't have anything to do with the Mafia Awsi Dooger Oct 2017 #50
With a notoriously deceitful, draft-dodging casino hustler as republican "leader" Achilleaze Oct 2017 #24
It's not going to be a reason that makes any god damned sense, so what's the difference? ProfessorPlum Oct 2017 #25
Well, it WOULD help in that... Dave Starsky Oct 2017 #27
That's true ProfessorPlum Oct 2017 #31
I get your point.. whathehell Oct 2017 #36
I'm sure it makes a difference to his victims & those directly affected whathehell Oct 2017 #28
I'm interested in this ProfessorPlum Oct 2017 #30
People always seek a reason whathehell Oct 2017 #35
Berkowitz, Bundy, Speck...the list is unfortunately very long.. pbmus Oct 2017 #45
he was a gun nut JI7 Oct 2017 #29
The gun nuts are confused and quiet... doodsaq Oct 2017 #34
Haven't seen or heard about anybody "paralyzed" by fear snooper2 Oct 2017 #38
They're going to dissect part of his brain for answers. The thing that irritates me ecstatic Oct 2017 #40
His guns were talking to him, telling him to do what guns do. hunter Oct 2017 #43
What's also unsettling is that it really isn't a topic of conversation anymore. Vinca Oct 2017 #47
When you buy a lot of things, you tend to use them Yavin4 Oct 2017 #49
Interesting. Motive isn't bothering me at all. Corvo Bianco Oct 2017 #52
Yeah, it's not like he could come up with some great reason ProfessorPlum Oct 2017 #54
Same as usual: a disaffected white guy showing us all that he IS TOO powerful. Squinch Oct 2017 #53
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He knew he was going to die Corgigal Oct 2017 #58
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