Scott Walker tweet: If Noah had help from gov't, ark might never have been built

[SnohoDem]

25. And if you can PROVE the ark was built,

and that Jesus Christ was God manifested in the flesh, and was crucified, and resurrected on the 3rd day, I'll become a Christian. How's that for a deal?

You've placed a very difficult condition on the argument - for me or anyone else to prove a negative. Google "Russel's teapot".

I'll put a much easier condition on the argument - use science to prove your assertion.

Good luck with that, though. They've been trying for almost 2000 years and ain't done it yet. Science gets better, religion doesn't. It still requires faith rather than evidence. Use real science, not 'creation science', which is laughed at by 95% of the globe. If "god" gave us these brains, he gave them to us to use for a reason, not to accept ancient myths, but to look and explore. If "god" gave us free will, he did it so we could think for ourselves, not accept ancient myths as absolute truth.

And I'm not even an atheist...

It was nice that you defended your faith, but until you can present proof that what your religion has asserted happened thousands of years ago did in fact actually happen, your assertions have as much as, or even less value than my assertions that they did not happen. There actually is some evidence of a deluge. It almost certainly happened at the end of the last ice age, when humans had language, but not too much writing. Here's a really cool book about it: http://www.bradshawfoundation.com/books/eden_in_the_east.php I haven't read it for several years.

I live in Southeast Asia so I found this really interesting. It's not proven, but it's at least a little scientific. It's not a blind assertion that 'this is what happened, now disprove it'. It makes a lot more sense than the assertion that eight families repopulated the earth in all its human diversity in 5 - 6000 years - statisticians will make hash of that. Probably lots of people got killed in the flood, and those who lived on 'higher ground' or could get away from the water in time, lived. Myths about this enormous catastrophe survived and were incorporated into the local mythology of various regions. It's way more believable and and understandable than 'God, who loves us so much, got pissed off and killed almost everybody'. That does not make 'Eden in the East' right. It makes it a book that presents a theory and argues passionately for that theory. It's just a book, you know, like the bible. There's lots of others.

Evidence of the deluge is not evidence that the deluge was caused by an angry god. Don't you even look at your own religion? Don't you read the bible? God, who's supposed to be omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, all loving and such, acts like a jerk to everyone but the Jews in the Old Testament. He even dumps on the Jews if they don't behave. Then suddenly, John 3:16. Except that, if we don't believe that, we'll be cast into a lake of eternal fire. Huh? We don't really have to know the mind of god to know that just doesn't make sense. God supposedly made us in his image. Fine. If my child does something wrong, I _might_ swat him on the butt, send him to bed with no supper, call a time out, give him a stern talking to, or whatever. I've never hit a child - kids do dumb stuff and they're obnoxious and you try to guide them to grow up to be good adults - I've never hit or even spoken sharply to a dog unless it tried to bite me - that kind of stuff is a no-brainer - we don't use a superior position to hurt others, though we may occasionally have to discipline them. According to your religion, if I'm created in the image of god, I would stake out my child or dog on an anthill in the hot sun and torture it to death because it didn't do what I wanted it to do. Unfortunately, I can't live up to God's perfection and can't torture someone or something after death.

There are lots of beautiful ideas in the bible. Number one for me would be the beatitudes, but you write as a fundamentalist, one who accepts the bible as the literal word of god. I won't even ask which translation. If this is your god's record of himself, I'll pass on belief.


By the way, do you think if the government helped build the ark it would have been:

a) Built faster, because the gov't had lots more resources than Noah.
b) Oh, no way, the gov't never does anything right, regardless of loads of evidence to the contrary.


http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/atheist

a·the·ist   [ey-thee-ist]
noun
a person who denies or disbelieves the existence of a supreme being or beings.

I don't deny that, only the existence of your absurd god.