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Tobin S.

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18. The left and the Dems need each other, but we can't figure out how to get it together.
Tue Oct 24, 2017, 01:36 AM
Oct 2017

So you get unhelpful stuff like this from the left where they actually seem to be working against Dems in a race where they should be trying to support them just due to the fact that Dems are much closer to them ideologically than any Republican will ever be. There is no compromise even when it seems like it's in the best interest of everyone to do so. They are tone deaf. Then they ramp it up with all of this politically loaded language and heavy slant that distorts what is really happening.

I would like to see the Democratic party swing back to the left economically to where it was before Reagan came along. We have politicians in the Democratic party who have gone back to those roots and I think we should support that kind of thing. That's what the left should do as well instead of working against us. And there are some powerful people in our party who need to loosen up some and let these kinds of politicians through. So many Democrats are living in absolute fear right now of any more losses that they don't appear to want to endorse the kind of politicians that might actually appeal to more people because they think they are too risky. Despite that these politicians already have great appeal to their already established base. What do we have to lose at this point? We are right now on the verge of losing everything the party has fought for since FDR. Ironically, if it weren't for three moderate Republicans in the Senate who seem to be with us at this point to some degree, it would probably mean the wholesale destruction of everything as fast as possible. As it is we are still taking losses almost every day.

I was talking to an old school, white male, liberal Democrat today. The guy is about 65 years old. He is also a priest. He is more conservative socially than the younger liberals now days. He's not really on board with a lot of the very liberal social upheavals going on right now, but he has always stuck with the party due to economic issues and government social programs. So I was talking to him about Black Lives Matter, and LGBTQ stuff, and the distortion of religion in politics, and he's not really hip to any of that and doesn't really care about it. Those just aren't his issues. Then I mention these ideas about the Democratic party moving back to the left on economics and shoring up social programs and he's all ears. We start talking about the profound effect that Reagan had on politics and how he just swung everyone to the right on economics. He's been an opponent of the trickle down theory since the beginning, and understands full well that it doesn't work for ordinary Americans, actually hurts them, and only creates more economic inequality. He is aware of the power of money in politics and how that can corrupt the political process and negate the interests of the people.Those are the kinds of things that I think most people respond to the best when talking liberal policies. It's our old school economic stuff. We lost our way on that and I think that's why many people have abandoned us. We should have held firm when Reagan came along and stuck to our guns, but we caved.

Those very liberal social issues of minorities are important and need to be incorporated into the party. We do need to make sure those people are represented adequately in the party and promote them in the process. Most other people will come along on economic issues.

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Yes Proud liberal 80 Oct 2017 #1
The obsession with the much desired "Reagan Democrat". guillaumeb Oct 2017 #2
That article is total BS. Anyone who has seen a Northam or Herring ad would notice they are FSogol Oct 2017 #3
That was my impression Awsi Dooger Oct 2017 #5
Yup, mobilization of voters from the more diverse and densely populated areas in VA renegade000 Oct 2017 #17
I just donated to BlackPAC marylandblue Oct 2017 #4
Exactly. Reagan Democrats are not our base. SunSeeker Oct 2017 #7
And as a white southern guy it pisses me off to no end that it is just Black Women... GulfCoast66 Oct 2017 #8
Yup. That is the systematic racism being protested by the NFL players taking a knee. nt. SunSeeker Oct 2017 #11
The Nation maxrandb Oct 2017 #6
And two posters upthread who must live in the area rufus dog Oct 2017 #15
Lately, there's been a whole slew of crap articles trying to FSogol Oct 2017 #16
The picture in the article showed mostly women RhodeIslandOne Oct 2017 #9
Here's an article a few days old that says otherwise Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2017 #10
Good article on the great work of BlackPAC. nt SunSeeker Oct 2017 #14
The article has a faulty premise standingtall Oct 2017 #12
The nation ? JI7 Oct 2017 #13
The left and the Dems need each other, but we can't figure out how to get it together. Tobin S. Oct 2017 #18
they aren' the left. they want republicans to win and push the Putin line JI7 Oct 2017 #22
Really? Show me. Tobin S. Oct 2017 #24
K&R for visibility. nt tblue37 Oct 2017 #19
That's why Obama didn't go there JustAnotherGen Oct 2017 #20
they are trolling JI7 Oct 2017 #21
I agree JustAnotherGen Oct 2017 #23
Its based on the assumption that white votes matter more BainsBane Oct 2017 #25
It is also total BS as far as the VA race is going. Don't believe me? Go to Northam, or Fairfax, or FSogol Oct 2017 #27
Interesting underpants Oct 2017 #26
Northam is making his own mistakes alarimer Oct 2017 #28
Why the rush to tear down Northam? Justin Fairfax wasn't concerned with being left off of some FSogol Oct 2017 #29
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