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Stinky The Clown

(67,883 posts)
Tue Oct 24, 2017, 10:51 AM Oct 2017

So Sanders is going back to running as an Indy for his senate seat. [View all]


What's Jill Stein up to, I wonder?

Who else of our friends on the left are there to help?

This is DEMOCRATIC Underground. Can we get back to supporting DEMOCRATS?

I have stayed out of this shit show since well before the last presidential primaries, but was a staunch HRC supporter. It seemed to me fair that a seeming fellow traveller wanted to contest the primaries and might broaden our base.

That didn't work out.

The orange shitgibbon won by a mere 77,000 votes in three states. I have heard all the blah blah blah bullshit about how awful HRC was a candidate. Most of that is bullshit. What she was, was *Relentlessly* attacked from not only the right, but from the so-called left, too. For his part, Sanders' support for her was at best tepid. At best. I won't say anything about his "differences" with her in the primaries.

So yeah. Can we maybe learn a fucking lesson here and be true to the party we are here to support?

By the way, support does not translate to blind allegiance or ostrich like avoidance of our warts.

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Let it cilla4progress Oct 2017 #1
I second that mikeysnot Oct 2017 #4
Don't think he can dembotoz Oct 2017 #6
Before THIS thread, sow me evidence to back up your comment. Stinky The Clown Oct 2017 #10
Over and over like this hasn't been beaten to death dembotoz Oct 2017 #81
My question was about ME. You said it about ME. Stinky The Clown Oct 2017 #93
Well if the shoe fits.. give it a rest dembotoz Oct 2017 #175
There ya go. Obfuscating again. Man up. Say what you meant Stinky The Clown Oct 2017 #183
I sense someone trying to provoke so they can hit the alert dembotoz Oct 2017 #193
Ah, so that's it. Stinky The Clown Oct 2017 #196
Can't say I give a shit to look at your history dembotoz Oct 2017 #246
So, you just threw out a personal accusation to me with ZERO proof Stinky The Clown Oct 2017 #252
Bernie bashing has become quite the sport dembotoz Oct 2017 #255
All fine and dandy. Stinky The Clown Oct 2017 #258
Ignore them. There is nothing for you to let go. You are discussing present tense. stevenleser Oct 2017 #184
That is not true. Sanders made this decision this week. stevenleser Oct 2017 #186
Object to what... tonedevil Oct 2017 #191
Interesting try at reframing the debate with a red herring but I'm not biting. stevenleser Oct 2017 #192
As stipulated... tonedevil Oct 2017 #195
And as I said, your red herring is irrelevant. nt stevenleser Oct 2017 #202
You... tonedevil Oct 2017 #207
He made a public statement this week BainsBane Oct 2017 #232
Just trash the thread and move on SCantiGOP Oct 2017 #61
Let what go? George II Oct 2017 #89
There is nothing to let go. Sanders made a decision this week we don't like. nt stevenleser Oct 2017 #185
Nothing wrong with Hillary or Bernie. The election was rigged. Irish_Dem Oct 2017 #2
+ 1 This Jakes Progress Oct 2017 #36
I'm sick of the Dem circular firing squad when the election was stolen. Irish_Dem Oct 2017 #40
Hillary Only Had To Beat The FBI, Russia, Trump, And The Entire Billionaire Funded GOP SeattlePop Oct 2017 #65
Exactly, blaming her is not facing reality. And until the Dems face Irish_Dem Oct 2017 #69
She could have beaten all of them except the FBI. Actually, she did beat the FBI the first two times StevieM Oct 2017 #194
Further, I think the suppression hepled a hell of a lot too. So wan't just the FBI. Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #197
YES. FBI, Putin, voter rigging, suppression, intense propaganda, slander. Irish_Dem Oct 2017 #215
Amazing that, right? Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #220
Yes, so all the Hillary bashing leaves me totally dumb founded. Irish_Dem Oct 2017 #222
Thank-you Irish, for the support and balance. I totally respect your position. Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #223
Yes I wonder too. So far nothing is being done to secure our voting system. Irish_Dem Oct 2017 #224
Now I have to go defend Bernie on another thread. Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #225
LOL I'll try. But you know how the Irish are. :( Irish_Dem Oct 2017 #226
I do. Maternal side. Both parents of my mothers parents. Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #227
Off topic, but I think Ireland is letting great grandchildren of immigrants Irish_Dem Oct 2017 #228
Really, just men? Beartracks Oct 2017 #303
Comey was a huge blow. But could Hillary have beaten Putin? Not sure. Irish_Dem Oct 2017 #214
She had Trump, Putin and Comey beat--decisively--with 11 days to go. StevieM Oct 2017 #217
This is a much more productive dialogue than blaming Hillary and Bernie. Irish_Dem Oct 2017 #219
There wasn't voter fraud. There was election fraud. MrsCoffee Oct 2017 #274
Yes. The crime of the century. We do not know yet the full extent of the crime. Irish_Dem Oct 2017 #276
Yes Bernie and O'Malley would have been targeted too. nt Irish_Dem Oct 2017 #218
Yes, and Jakes Progress Oct 2017 #213
If we don't face reality it is going to happen again, YES. Irish_Dem Oct 2017 #216
Not blaming them. And Jakes Progress Oct 2017 #325
The propaganda was intense, unrelenting and targeted to both right and left. Irish_Dem Oct 2017 #327
+ 1,000,000 LiberalLovinLug Oct 2017 #74
+1000 Duppers Oct 2017 #122
With posts like this SHRED Oct 2017 #3
He needed the DNC $$$$ and resources hack89 Oct 2017 #11
bullcrap shanny Oct 2017 #17
Right. You keep believing that hack89 Oct 2017 #20
lol shanny Oct 2017 #21
ok. nt hack89 Oct 2017 #22
Source for this being his reason for running as a Dem? ehrnst Oct 2017 #38
Bernie himself, repeatedly and early. shanny Oct 2017 #124
Seriously? The vote was split by all the divisiveness. brush Oct 2017 #42
+1, and it was only about 75,000 people spread over about 4 states. R B Garr Oct 2017 #94
This! (nt) ehrnst Oct 2017 #128
So, what, exactly? shanny Oct 2017 #254
Not at all equivalent. Hillary backed O enthusiastically, Sanders backed her reluctantly... brush Oct 2017 #256
Did her followers? shanny Oct 2017 #261
Where we talking about the losers of the 2 primaries, Clinton and Sanders, or the pumas? brush Oct 2017 #264
Nader ran in the General Election as an independent, he never ran in the 2000 Primaries..... George II Oct 2017 #133
Disingenuous much? shanny Oct 2017 #247
What's disingenuous? You're comparing a primary campaign to a general election campaign. George II Oct 2017 #269
for some people it is shanny Oct 2017 #304
He said he ran as a dam for media cover...so it because he needed something from us to all american girl Oct 2017 #306
... shanny Oct 2017 #310
Exactly, and his own words say that. He needed the media attention running as R B Garr Oct 2017 #25
He set a record for donations SHRED Oct 2017 #27
What would you expect him to say? "I want the cash"? hack89 Oct 2017 #32
Sanders says he ran as a Democrat for 'media coverage' charlyvi Oct 2017 #45
So? Are we supposed to take everything a politician says at face value? hack89 Oct 2017 #47
Um...I'm agreeing with you charlyvi Oct 2017 #48
Sorry. Caffeine levels must be low. nt hack89 Oct 2017 #51
No problem. n/t charlyvi Oct 2017 #58
I have zero problems with his common sense approach. nt Lucky Luciano Oct 2017 #101
You can agree or not with his approach charlyvi Oct 2017 #113
Of course he ran as a dem for dem infrastructure. Who thought otherwise?!?! Lucky Luciano Oct 2017 #121
You haven't read this complete thread, have you? charlyvi Oct 2017 #123
Trump says he sexually assaults and gets away with it. Yes, I listen. Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #106
My two points still stand however SHRED Oct 2017 #91
Not really. The donations were challenged in formal FEC investigative letters R B Garr Oct 2017 #100
Such an unproductive topic SHRED Oct 2017 #108
It's more about One Man, if we're being realistic, and there is more to R B Garr Oct 2017 #110
Bingo. MrsCoffee Oct 2017 #132
Plus, at the time he decided to run as a Dem charlyvi Oct 2017 #120
And he also promised at that time to stay in the Democratic Party and broke that promise. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #283
3 or 4 different periods with FEC? Also, a 10 million donation I have not heard followup on. Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #140
Well, I am disappointed and not surprised. We gave him the benefit he didn't want to split the vote Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #102
Irrelevant point Lucky Luciano Oct 2017 #107
Significant and telling point. He had no respect or integrity when it came to the Democratic Party, Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #112
Exactly. Well said, Msh. charlyvi Oct 2017 #136
It's amazing how you see reactions to bad decisions and suggest even worse decisions. stevenleser Oct 2017 #188
It's not "back"...he never changed from WhiteTara Oct 2017 #5
Exactly. He filed the necessary paperwork with the Senate last year, stopbush Oct 2017 #14
His running "as a Democrat" rock Oct 2017 #53
He's running as an Independent WhiteTara Oct 2017 #155
Yeah rock Oct 2017 #156
Are you surprised? WhiteTara Oct 2017 #163
When at least two people commit a planned crime rock Oct 2017 #212
Sanders is not going to get any more money from the Dems. librechik Oct 2017 #7
I'm a Dem and he's going to get more money from me if he needs it. Jim Lane Oct 2017 #49
Same here. MuseRider Oct 2017 #59
Same here. Duppers Oct 2017 #115
I honestly think that Senator MuseRider Oct 2017 #141
Excellent points. Duppers Oct 2017 #328
No doubt you and other will send him money. But I don't think he can win a primary for many reasons Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #157
Here is the thing. I thought maybe people might recognize the courts as our one last chance. Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #176
You have ANY evidence that progressive democrats don't care about the courts? hueymahl Oct 2017 #181
Yes. I do. Anyone claiming to be progressive and writing Sanders name in or voting Stein made it Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #190
OOOOKAAY hueymahl Oct 2017 #199
Pretty straight forward and an easy, really easy concept so I have to ask why your challenge. Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #200
Well, progressives are a sizable portion of the Democratic base hueymahl Oct 2017 #201
You could not be more wrong. You are the one that defines a "progressive" in a limited manner. Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #204
I have not given a definition of progressive hueymahl Oct 2017 #208
No, I did not. Take it back. I ONLY stated those writing in Sanders or voting 3rd party or not Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #211
No...these folks are not any sort of the Democratic base...and I question their progressive Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #267
First of all ....Democrats are progressive...the far far left and green riffraff are not the base Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #266
Both you and MSH are creating straw men hueymahl Oct 2017 #299
"Progressive wing" of the party. Ya, that. Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #305
There you go creating straw men again hueymahl Oct 2017 #311
You do not get the definition of strawman anymore than a small faction gets to own progressive. Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #312
Straw Man, redux squared hueymahl Oct 2017 #315
The progressive wing of the Democratic party contains folks generally left of the leadership Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #317
Yes, I stand by that statement hueymahl Oct 2017 #320
I only count a few that do not work on social reform and tell us to put it to the side. Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #313
Off the top of my head hueymahl Oct 2017 #314
A handful. I have another. Sanders. He is not about progressing on liberal social ideas. Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #316
You know, you and I don't disagree that much hueymahl Oct 2017 #318
You do not understand why I made my point in my posts? Because a small faction is taking Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #319
I agree with that, at least partially hueymahl Oct 2017 #321
Clinton is very progressive as is Pelosi and others being bashed continually. Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #322
I don't disagree hueymahl Oct 2017 #323
I agree completely. And when I brought up courts on other sites the response was meh Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #265
He has been raising money for dems for years. scipan Oct 2017 #174
Has he? I do not know that is fact. Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #177
+1. No DNC support for this person. liquid diamond Oct 2017 #308
Yeah, Bernie was sitting at that dinner table with Flynn and Stein Greybnk48 Oct 2017 #8
My favorite part is the little trick you pull when you follow Sanders' name with that of Stein. LanternWaste Oct 2017 #9
The intention is not to refight the primaries but to avoid a repeat of our 16 loss in 20. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #16
I thought the 16 loss was all Russia and Comey? Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2017 #56
If you don't cherry pick your "reality," it's not hard at all to keep track. The Russian's R B Garr Oct 2017 #79
Bernie's campaign and his supporters radical noodle Oct 2017 #241
So it wasnt Russia and Comey among other things? Eliot Rosewater Oct 2017 #103
Apparently it was all Sanders Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2017 #109
You dont seem bothered regardless of what happened. Eliot Rosewater Oct 2017 #111
I'm very bothered that we have Trump in office. Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2017 #119
Clinton wasn't "primaried".. disillusioned73 Oct 2017 #152
We all know what he meant hueymahl Oct 2017 #182
I would hope so... GulfCoast66 Oct 2017 #209
Oh yay! A "no evidence of Russian Interference" person emulatorloo Oct 2017 #114
Absolutely NOT what I'm saying. Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2017 #117
It was the divisiveness which he engaged in, and it drew lots of attention R B Garr Oct 2017 #116
Ok, it was exploited Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2017 #135
He lost early on in the primary. Its conventional wisdom R B Garr Oct 2017 #149
It was more than one things as you know...wouldn't like to see it happen in 20. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #154
+1 demmiblue Oct 2017 #18
+1 leftstreet Oct 2017 #33
The sound of many hands clapping. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #39
thank you! Raster Oct 2017 #72
! MuseRider Oct 2017 #142
Could not have been said better hueymahl Oct 2017 #180
Yep. Freethinker65 Oct 2017 #229
He has always run in Vermont as an independent. Voltaire2 Oct 2017 #12
Amen. shanny Oct 2017 #19
+1 SixString Oct 2017 #37
I'm not familiar with the Independent Party platform. What are their stated principles? Demit Oct 2017 #62
You arent familiar with Senator Sanders positions? Voltaire2 Oct 2017 #138
Okay, so what is the common usage of the term Independent? Demit Oct 2017 #144
I don't vote for independents if a Democrat is a available personally under any circumstance. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #159
Good luck with that. Voltaire2 Oct 2017 #162
Except when he hasn't DFW Oct 2017 #245
Wrong. Blue_true Oct 2017 #271
The post you dispute is actually 100% correct. Jim Lane Oct 2017 #287
But he said he would stay a Democrat in 2015. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #285
We often disagree, but I agree completely with this post. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #13
How does he vote on the issues? Shouldn't that be the question? jalan48 Oct 2017 #15
The natural follow-up is: If one votes all "D," why is one not a regstered "D"? WinkyDink Oct 2017 #26
And my natural follow up to that is "Joe Manchin". phleshdef Oct 2017 #29
Bingo. alarimer Oct 2017 #46
So your opinion is that even though Manchin votes with us 75% of the time mythology Oct 2017 #67
That's a little too shorthand for me. Could you explain what you mean? Demit Oct 2017 #64
Joe Manchin is more of a team player comradebillyboy Oct 2017 #73
West Virginia is my home state. I know all about it. phleshdef Oct 2017 #77
Joe is not engaging in a hostile take over attempt so comradebillyboy Oct 2017 #87
I grew up in Logan. phleshdef Oct 2017 #146
I miss Robert Byrd. scipan Oct 2017 #172
Or Jay Rockefeller, who was campaigning for Obama during the 08 primaries. phleshdef Oct 2017 #251
Who cares? It's how he votes that counts with me. Plus, he's one of the most popular politicians jalan48 Oct 2017 #31
Yes. Which brings up his Nay vote on Russia sanctions. VOX Oct 2017 #129
He made it quite clear that the sanctions bill was unacceptable because it included new sanctions Voltaire2 Oct 2017 #250
Another moose-squirrel fight!!! Boris told me to ... Whiskeytide Oct 2017 #23
I would like to ask BS (heh) just 1 question: Exactly with what part of the Democratic Platform do WinkyDink Oct 2017 #24
Yep. And he will get re-elected with no problem. And he will continue to caucus with the Dems. phleshdef Oct 2017 #28
If Democrats can't come together, the drumpf family business will have democratisphere Oct 2017 #30
To that I will add, Democrats, Progressives, Socialists, Independents, Democratic Progressives, Wwcd Oct 2017 #52
Bernie was asked in 2016 if he would run as a Democrat in future elections. ollie10 Oct 2017 #34
BINGO!!!! THIS (look up) Stinky The Clown Oct 2017 #41
Oh, he must've meant in 2020. To that I say "dream on". We've seen that movie before. brush Oct 2017 #43
The question he was asked was talking about future elections in general, not specific to 2020 ollie10 Oct 2017 #90
2020 would be in that calculation wouldn't you say? brush Oct 2017 #126
link? I thought he said that too but can't find it. scipan Oct 2017 #170
Is this yet another in the series? guillaumeb Oct 2017 #35
So fucking what? alarimer Oct 2017 #44
The "team" concept in politics is based on what principles you hold. Demit Oct 2017 #50
Exactly, Being on Team Sanders is still being on a team. FSogol Oct 2017 #55
I've been on to that guy for years. nt LexVegas Oct 2017 #54
Fortunately, the Democrats of Vermont have more sense than the bash-Bernie brigade on DU Jim Lane Oct 2017 #57
Ah, back to the JPR talking points, complete with the intellectual observations R B Garr Oct 2017 #82
I would like to see a Howard Dean or other top Vermont Dem in that Dem primary. Blue_true Oct 2017 #272
Howard Dean is one of those Vermonters who have more sense than the Bernie-bashers Jim Lane Oct 2017 #286
He isn't a friend of the Democratic party moda253 Oct 2017 #60
Bernie Is Good Good Good Good Good For The Democratic Party SeattlePop Oct 2017 #63
No he wouldn't. On what do base that proclamation? George II Oct 2017 #83
Its undeniable that Sanders would have won the general LiberalLovinLug Oct 2017 #127
As I said, no he wouldn't. George II Oct 2017 #134
Thanks for such detailed links to counter mine and prove your position there George LiberalLovinLug Oct 2017 #137
Those detailed links were just speculative regarding an election that didn't occur. George II Oct 2017 #139
Exactly. The Trump people had oppo research & campaign points ready to go on Sanders. Demit Oct 2017 #150
You're arguing a hypothetical. JHan Oct 2017 #151
Yes a hypothetical. That is all I can do obviously LiberalLovinLug Oct 2017 #236
A "Logical conclusion" is based on evidence. JHan Oct 2017 #240
The evidence was in the poll numbers back to back against Trump LiberalLovinLug Oct 2017 #242
You persist in arguing a hypothetical because it gives you comfort JHan Oct 2017 #243
It is divisive nonsense. LiberalLovinLug Oct 2017 #289
The "divisive" posts against Sanders.. JHan Oct 2017 #290
So you are only reacting as I say I am doing? LiberalLovinLug Oct 2017 #291
like I said.. I won't catalogue the things he has said. JHan Oct 2017 #293
We'll just agree to disagree LiberalLovinLug Oct 2017 #295
Gee, I wonder if those Sanders supporters who refused to vote for Hillary in the General Election, still_one Oct 2017 #145
By the sounds of some in here I'd wager he'd get that treatment from even DU members LiberalLovinLug Oct 2017 #238
Capitulated isn't quite what was done. While he did endorse the Democratic nominee, it was still_one Oct 2017 #248
Half-hearted? Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2017 #277
He conceded in a very respectful way LiberalLovinLug Oct 2017 #292
If Sen. Sanders became the candidate somehow. There would have been hell to pay so Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #158
Many Of The People I Know Who Voted For Trump Would Have Voted For Bernie They Said SeattlePop Oct 2017 #166
They said "they didn't like any candidate", but they still voted for the racist, sexist, bigot? I still_one Oct 2017 #249
I don't buy that. I just don't Trump is not like Bernie...most of that sort voted the Russian Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #281
It's Just What They Told Me SeattlePop Oct 2017 #282
Unless they are union guys...who voted for Trump for the trade stuff which Trump lied through his Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #297
As long as he faced no ads against him BainsBane Oct 2017 #235
He was never vetted radical noodle Oct 2017 #237
Banana murielm99 Oct 2017 #143
There is one basis for that claim BainsBane Oct 2017 #230
"He isn't a friend of the Democratic party or at least not until he starts acting like it" LiberalLovinLug Oct 2017 #86
Well said. Can't say it enough onit2day Oct 2017 #105
LOL JHan Oct 2017 #234
Your argument is demonstrably false BainsBane Oct 2017 #294
Its only all about Bernie when you and others locked in your mindset write about him LiberalLovinLug Oct 2017 #296
If its not about Bernie individually BainsBane Oct 2017 #298
I appreciate your passion LiberalLovinLug Oct 2017 #324
And I thought politics was supposed to be about ideas. mjvpi Oct 2017 #66
Ha! Such naivete! hueymahl Oct 2017 #187
i agree with you!!! VaBchTgerLily Oct 2017 #68
In my book.... Cryptoad Oct 2017 #70
You are factually wrong. Anyone can run in the dem prez primary. scipan Oct 2017 #168
not in my book! Cryptoad Oct 2017 #173
Your book only counts for you scipan Oct 2017 #206
Sorry u didnt get it,,,,,,,,,,, Cryptoad Oct 2017 #210
tepid? paulkienitz Oct 2017 #71
"Can we get back to supporting DEMOCRATS?" Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #75
I'd rather support progressive ISSUES. scipan Oct 2017 #169
Me, too. Damn good thing our Democrats in our Democratic Party are solid progressives. Right? Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #178
Well said. yardwork Oct 2017 #76
"Of course I am a Democrat and running for the Democratic nomination." -Bernie Sanders, Feb. 2016 ashtonelijah Oct 2017 #78
Makes sense to me LiberalLovinLug Oct 2017 #97
Sanders was a 'Democrat' when it was beneficial to be a Democrat. kstewart33 Oct 2017 #131
Sanders knows what it takes to get elected in his state. Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2017 #80
I'm not asking anyone to support Bernie, but there is a lesson to be learned from him Tobin S. Oct 2017 #84
So the 200,000 or more Democratic voters in each of those states who were unable to vote on the day Ford_Prefect Oct 2017 #85
He had his re-election campaign committee, as an independent, up and running.... George II Oct 2017 #88
As We're Discussing It....His Own Words Me. Oct 2017 #92
Bernie has an allegiance to an ideology. Not The Democratic Party. n/t SleeplessinSoCal Oct 2017 #95
Someone is principled. How awful!! nt Lucky Luciano Oct 2017 #118
not so much principle as ideological. SleeplessinSoCal Oct 2017 #239
i agree...i agree.... i agree....... samnsara Oct 2017 #96
Principles before personalities or labels onit2day Oct 2017 #98
He did not "campaign his butt off" for Hillary. LisaM Oct 2017 #179
I enthusiastically endorse Sanders! nt Lucky Luciano Oct 2017 #99
Can we get back to trying to win the next election? whopis01 Oct 2017 #104
. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2017 #125
Leave Bernie alone and be grateful marlakay Oct 2017 #130
Hillary and Bernie both talented, dedicated public servants. Irish_Dem Oct 2017 #147
i agree with this comment you made.... i agree with all you said. "was at best tepid" trueblue2007 Oct 2017 #148
.... disillusioned73 Oct 2017 #153
It might turn out for the best. VermontKevin Oct 2017 #160
I heard Tom Hartman say Sen. Sanders should become a Democrat last week...couldn't Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #161
well its an interesting position that a few dems are taking on this. It is an interesting question JCanete Oct 2017 #164
Sanders never quit being an Independent left-of-center2012 Oct 2017 #165
+1. YoungDemCA Oct 2017 #301
Party affiliation seems to impress some people more than ideas LittleBlue Oct 2017 #167
No, Trump is an international joke. Just about all the other countries out there have had idiot stevenleser Oct 2017 #221
'support does not translate to blind allegience...' scipan Oct 2017 #171
He would be far more influential WITH the party if he were IN the party Stinky The Clown Oct 2017 #189
almost like you wished he ran in -General Election- as a I to really split the GE vote. Hillary wou Sunlei Oct 2017 #205
Wow. THAT statement makes ZERO sense. Stinky The Clown Oct 2017 #253
If Sanders ran in GE as an Independent, he would have been a spoiler & taken votes from Hillary. Sunlei Oct 2017 #259
Thanks for making you thoughts more clear. Stinky The Clown Oct 2017 #260
and I'm registered as "Indy" to hide my party from -everyone- Sunlei Oct 2017 #198
+1 mountain grammy Oct 2017 #231
and I'll quote the DU Lords, "Fuck Jill Stein" Sunlei Oct 2017 #203
It's not back though BainsBane Oct 2017 #233
This message was self-deleted by its author Matt_R Oct 2017 #244
I want my Democratic candidates to come from the Democratic party Progressive dog Oct 2017 #257
You'll need to change the constitution to get rid of the Electoral College, then. Gore1FL Oct 2017 #270
Why wouldn't he? Gore1FL Oct 2017 #262
WTF? KPN Oct 2017 #263
You said Sanders support in the General was tepid at best. Blue_true Oct 2017 #268
I changed my post because I misunderstood yours. IMO, I 'm amazed at Sanders energy level. Sunlei Oct 2017 #273
Did you read my post. It was about campaign events Bernie did for Hillary. Blue_true Oct 2017 #275
Their campaigns even worked together for several days after primary. They worked WELL Sunlei Oct 2017 #279
Why bring up the past? Smitty63nnn Oct 2017 #278
The Russians attacks on our democracy, Republicans who colluded, the presidents 'deals' with any Sunlei Oct 2017 #280
I just read something in our local Vermont paper that said he hasn't decided Vinca Oct 2017 #284
As he has said from the beginning Smitty63nnn Oct 2017 #288
What, people are actually surprised? Blue_Tires Oct 2017 #300
Since 2010, the Democratic Party has lost hundreds of downballot seats. YoungDemCA Oct 2017 #302
DU has always and probably always will support politicians like Bernie Sanders. aikoaiko Oct 2017 #307
Its amazing how threads that mention liquid diamond Oct 2017 #309
+1111111 KPN Oct 2017 #326
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