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Sancho

(9,206 posts)
46. Lots of things...but just for one...
Tue Oct 24, 2017, 09:54 PM
Oct 2017

she would likely have had to secure the guns. Lanza was well-known to be an emotional risk.

Insurance questions would likely have denied insurance (and therefore a license) without special security if at all. Maybe she would have been free to go to a shooting range, but not have guns at home.

The types of guns and numbers of guns would be on the license. It's speculation, but even a superficial questionnaire or interview or references would have revealed someone in the house with depression, etc. Those would be red flags for a home with guns, or some follow up that would have made guns more secure - or else no license.

A report issued by the Office of the Child Advocate in November 2014 said that Lanza had the developmental disorder Asperger's syndrome, and as a teenager suffered from depression, anxiety and obsessive-compulsive disorder, but concluded that they had "neither caused nor led to his murderous acts." The report went on to say "his severe and deteriorating internalized mental health problems... combined with an atypical preoccupation with violence... (and) access to deadly weapons... proved a recipe for mass murder".[14]


These were guns available in the home of someone diagnosed to be depressed:

A large quantity of unused ammunition was recovered inside the school along with three semi-automatic firearms found with Lanza: a .223-caliber Bushmaster XM15-E2S rifle, a 10mm Glock 20SF handgun, and a 9mm SIG Sauer P226 handgun.[5] Outside the school, an Izhmash Saiga-12 shotgun was found in the car Lanza had driven.[5][31]


If a regular license simply examines the easy possession of guns, they would spot people like this. If the license was not denied, it would likely be restricted in terms of gun security, number of guns, type of guns, and amount of ammunition.

Report of the Office of the Child Advocate[edit]
The Report of the Office of the Child Advocate concluded: "There was not one thing that was necessarily the tipping point driving Lanza to commit the Sandy Hook shooting. Rather there was a cascade of events, many self-imposed, that included: loss of school; absence of work; disruption of the relationship with his one friend; virtually no personal contact with family; virtually total and increasing isolation; fear of losing his home and of a change in his relationship with Mrs. Lanza, his only caretaker and connection; worsening OCD; depression and anxiety; profound and possibly worsening anorexia; and an increasing obsession with mass murder occurring in the total absence of any engagement with the outside world. Adam increasingly lived in an alternate universe in which ruminations about mass shootings were his central preoccupation".[129]
The authors also noted that despite multiple developmental and mental health problems, Lanza had not received adequate mental health treatment. They wrote: "It is fair to surmise that, had Lanza's mental illness been adequately treated in the last years of his life, one predisposing factor to the tragedy of Sandy Hook might have been mitigated".[130]


A license is not a cure-all without failures, but it would make it much more difficult for mass murders. It's simple too.

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Fascinating and horrible. The tracking of other mass shooters is not surprising. underpants Oct 2017 #1
The obviously deranged should not be allowed access to weapons alphafemale Oct 2017 #2
In this case his mother was the gun owner, but he lived with her. CBHagman Oct 2017 #29
He killed her first. alphafemale Oct 2017 #35
I thought the guns he used were locked up ClarendonDem Oct 2017 #30
Considering he killed her by shooting her, obviously that is not the case. LisaL Oct 2017 #55
He may have killed her with one gun to get the rest of the guns, he could have used a hammer Not Ruth Oct 2017 #65
By obviously deranged, do you mean Aspergers? Not Ruth Oct 2017 #43
I remember alluding to this back in 2012... ck4829 Oct 2017 #3
No, we can do nothing gratuitous Oct 2017 #6
Exactly... Sancho Oct 2017 #25
Which of those proposed laws ClarendonDem Oct 2017 #31
Several of them... Sancho Oct 2017 #36
Actually, none of them ClarendonDem Oct 2017 #37
None of those guns would be in the house... Sancho Oct 2017 #39
How so? ClarendonDem Oct 2017 #45
Lots of things...but just for one... Sancho Oct 2017 #46
So you want to deny guns ClarendonDem Oct 2017 #47
Absolutely...if they don't take action to prevent killings!!! Sancho Oct 2017 #51
Yes. n/t Crunchy Frog Oct 2017 #57
Try getting auto insurance if your adult roommate has had a DUI stevenleser Oct 2017 #61
Mental illness, a love of guns and testosterone are the elements BigmanPigman Oct 2017 #4
So much pain. It's heartbreaking. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2017 #5
The day of Sandy Hook is probably the hardest i have ever cried in my life. alphafemale Oct 2017 #7
It was a heartbreaking event ClarendonDem Oct 2017 #32
This article has lots of tidbits, but I don't think it's helpful (from a clinical perspective) janterry Oct 2017 #8
Thats a fucked up Newsweek headline. PdxSean Oct 2017 #9
+1 Lucinda Oct 2017 #14
As far as I can tell he spend most of his time in his mother's basement and wasn't around any actual LisaL Oct 2017 #15
Newsweek has been unrecognizable lately. EL34x4 Oct 2017 #41
I had to read the lede three times. cagefreesoylentgreen Oct 2017 #42
agreed and.. RayOfHope Oct 2017 #72
I doubt he could have acted on it RhodeIslandOne Oct 2017 #10
But Mom Was A Responsible Gun Owner nt SoCalMusicLover Oct 2017 #11
Right up until she was killed, and her firearms stolen. ileus Oct 2017 #23
Conspiracy 'nutz' say Sandy Hook never happened. left-of-center2012 Oct 2017 #12
Asperger's is a syndrome, not a disease. Ms. Toad Oct 2017 #13
I agree. I find this article marybourg Oct 2017 #38
Likewise. WinkyDink Oct 2017 #50
Thank you. WinkyDink Oct 2017 #49
rape victim. mopinko Oct 2017 #16
You'd lose your bottom dollar. LisaL Oct 2017 #17
no, there usually isnt. mopinko Oct 2017 #26
Suicide would have saved them lame54 Oct 2017 #18
The headline is very misleading. LisaL Oct 2017 #19
I'll stand by my post lame54 Oct 2017 #20
He did actually kill himself after he killed the children. LisaL Oct 2017 #21
I'd have reversed the sequence maxsolomon Oct 2017 #27
A really tragic life. milestogo Oct 2017 #22
There is no "Aspergers medication". mn9driver Oct 2017 #24
Yep, and it's also not a "disease" Spider Jerusalem Oct 2017 #33
Which causes me to question marybourg Oct 2017 #40
Thank you! Irritating as fuck. Crunchy Frog Oct 2017 #54
And the online acquaintance didn't report him? Honeycombe8 Oct 2017 #28
What did the mother do ClarendonDem Oct 2017 #34
She is indirectly responsible marylandblue Oct 2017 #58
Umm, stockpile massive numbers of weapons where he could easily access them Crunchy Frog Oct 2017 #62
Yes, she's partially to blame. Honeycombe8 Oct 2017 #68
I do not believe that the father was a part of his life Not Ruth Oct 2017 #44
She was divorced but Adam was already 17 when divorce took place. LisaL Oct 2017 #52
Exactly. As I recall, the father had little to do with his son, and had always been that way. nt Honeycombe8 Oct 2017 #69
Most people with (xxx) do not commit mass murder Not Ruth Oct 2017 #63
The marks were there. Honeycombe8 Oct 2017 #70
The FBI's "conclusion" is EXTREMELY specious, given that there is no attendant action on Adam's WinkyDink Oct 2017 #48
What is an attendant action? Not Ruth Oct 2017 #53
He didn't commit any pedophiliac deeds. The FBI is now into mind-reading. WinkyDink Oct 2017 #73
Yeah, correlation and causation are 2 different things n/t TexasBushwhacker Oct 2017 #59
So he was "Catcher in the Rye's" Holden Caulfield if Caulfield was a homicidal pedophile? stevenleser Oct 2017 #56
Or a product of divorce Not Ruth Oct 2017 #60
I wasn't speaking of his motive so much as who he was as a person, his worldview/lifeview. stevenleser Oct 2017 #66
Oh boy..cant wait to see what the FBI comes up for paddock 4 years after... Tikki Oct 2017 #64
This seems sketchy because there is no Asperger's medicine. However, there are medications pnwmom Oct 2017 #67
Wish momhah had done a hip check on a busy street with that one alphafemale Oct 2017 #71
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