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HughBeaumont

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106. The PPACA was enacted during the 111th Congress in 2010 . . . Democratic Controlled.

Wed Oct 25, 2017, 05:39 AM

Oct 2017

The PPACA WITH a public option, theoretically, SHOULD have passed.

Yet . . . it WOULDN'T have . . . because the excuse was that we "didn't have the votes".

Now, why did we "not have the votes"?

Seems to me that a DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS should have been able to pass a completely DEMOCRATIC tenet in the form of a multi-payer health system . . . a human RIGHT that 31 countries and a billion citizens have without a problem. This wasn't some "communist pony" out of far left field.

Yet, it "wouldn't have had the votes".

THAT's my problem.

What some of you don't seem to get is that I like many of the Democratic politicians I criticize (except Lieberturd. Fuck that guy).

But when they support or vote for stupid shit (or, in the case of multi-payer, DON'T support it) . . . sorry, I'm calling them out. I'm no "My Party, Right or Wrong" guy. That's what right-wing Republicans do.

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Bernie Sanders to speak at U of T [View all] George II Oct 2017 OP

TORONTO? Me. Oct 2017 #1

When I saw the headline I though U of Texas. Blue_true Oct 2017 #116

Wait...I thought Vermont was IN Canada... MineralMan Oct 2017 #2

Well, if you live in Burlington, on a clear day you can see Canada from your house. George II Oct 2017 #10

I see what you did there! NastyRiffraff Oct 2017 #120

If BS is going to Puerto Rico on Friday, Oct. 27, lapucelle Oct 2017 #32

No. He has to pack. MineralMan Oct 2017 #39

,,,, lapucelle Oct 2017 #43

Detroit is only a four hour drive from Toronto. I've done it many times. George II Oct 2017 #118

Me also Gothmog Oct 2017 #93

I might have this wrong. He was headliner at woman convention, backed out when placed as panelist Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #3

Well He Was Featured At Somerville...... Me. Oct 2017 #17

I read this. Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #18

Research or thinking. He should have realized both that it Hortensis Oct 2017 #46

Yup. That says a whole lot right there. Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #49

Still Dissapointed In Jimmy Too Me. Oct 2017 #78

Me too. Carter lost me for good when he badmouthed Hortensis Oct 2017 #95

Didn't he vite NO on the bail out of PR? nt Tavarious Jackson Oct 2017 #104

I remember Sanders promised to vote against both the Hortensis Oct 2017 #121

Willing to compromise on some (abortion, Amber Alert), not others. Hm. Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #122

His overall record is something like voting 95+% with the Hortensis Oct 2017 #123

Yes. And this has been the argument all along. He is not so special, Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #124

Do not mess with Somerville. sheshe2 Oct 2017 #64

I would strongly suggest the Senator from Vermont not visit any university in Toronto Sen. Walter Sobchak Oct 2017 #4

That's so very, um... well... I mean, it's... well, uh... NurseJackie Oct 2017 #5

Um, ya. Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #14

Yeppers NastyRiffraff Oct 2017 #119

I wonder if someone will ask him to explain why Vermont doesn't have single payer. nt R B Garr Oct 2017 #6

It's been asked of him a number of times, he demurs. George II Oct 2017 #20

Has he rescheduled his trip to Puerto Rico? nt sheshe2 Oct 2017 #7

Let's kill him with fire. Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2017 #8

No one wants to be rid of a progresive Senator that helps the cause of Democrats greatly. George II Oct 2017 #11

Correct. NurseJackie Oct 2017 #19

+1 Jamaal510 Oct 2017 #25

yep +++ JHan Oct 2017 #26

+1 betsuni Oct 2017 #34

,,, lapucelle Oct 2017 #44

+1 liquid diamond Oct 2017 #54

Boom! sheshe2 Oct 2017 #59

+1000 (nt) ehrnst Oct 2017 #114

I strongly support all progressive senators who help the cause of Democrats. yardwork Oct 2017 #126

Eh, just the daily Two Minutes Hate directed towards Bernie. HughBeaumont Oct 2017 #13

Doesn't Sanders have to hold some responsibility in his choices he makes? Or just on the people Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #16

Are you REALLY calling the OP (i.e., me) a right winger? REALLY???? George II Oct 2017 #21

Read my post back to me and specifically state where I called you, George II, a right winger. HughBeaumont Oct 2017 #22

Well, HughBeaumont, you referring to "1 or 2 threads": George II Oct 2017 #23

I was in our backyard a few minutes ago. Still a few nights before our first frost here, so... George II Oct 2017 #45

THE "YOU" I'M REFERRING TO IS "AMERICA", NOT YOU. HughBeaumont Oct 2017 #48

If I were referring to "America", I would say "we" lapucelle Oct 2017 #57

"There's no LIMIT to the extreme of right wing AMERICA can be." emulatorloo Oct 2017 #84

The reality that Dems as a minority party can't get enough votes to pass progessive legislation betsuni Oct 2017 #92

The PPACA was enacted during the 111th Congress in 2010 . . . Democratic Controlled. HughBeaumont Oct 2017 #106

With a huge majority it wouldn't be so hard to get 60 votes. There wasn't a large majority. betsuni Oct 2017 #107

As the article pointed out, it wasn't just Lieberman. HughBeaumont Oct 2017 #113

You wrote Dogpile til your body parts wither off. Ive never heard that before. yardwork Oct 2017 #127

Wow. HughBeaumont Oct 2017 #128

Those were your words. yardwork Oct 2017 #129

I made a FACTUAL statement. Two, actually. HughBeaumont Oct 2017 #130

Here's where something in the argument goes awry. lapucelle Oct 2017 #40

If these people are so progressive, why was Bernie rejected by the DNC? HughBeaumont Oct 2017 #47

He was welcome. Wow, 180 whip lash. Ya, I imagine Clinton had the solid support from Democrats, Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #51

He was welcome. sheshe2 Oct 2017 #61

Who were the millions who rejected him? JHan Oct 2017 #77

We clearly see, it is not about the facts, attacking Dems. Very good point. Thanks. Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #81

Imagine playing the "who is the real progressive" game before midterms. JHan Oct 2017 #88

But, here is the thing JHan, and what bothered me so. It is implied and even stated that no, Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #89

it's what one person says it is. JHan Oct 2017 #91

How Was He Rejected By Anyone Other than Voters Me. Oct 2017 #79

the caption says "SANDERS Health Plan Will "Never Ever Come To Pass" emulatorloo Oct 2017 #87

It sure seems that way... NurseJackie Oct 2017 #27

Who's "they"? lapucelle Oct 2017 #38

Ah yes, the same site that ranks Joe Lieberturd a "Moderate Liberal Populist". HughBeaumont Oct 2017 #42

The data on which the "true commentary" is based lapucelle Oct 2017 #52

Yes, and your oh-so-serious data calls Joe Lieberman a "Moderate Liberal Populist". HughBeaumont Oct 2017 #58

The headline is wrong. lapucelle Oct 2017 #62

Used to it. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #65

It does not hurt to have a clear picture of a man positioning himself for a 2020 run as Pres. Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #15

I hope he reconsiders. He won't win and could divide the electorate. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #111

Will never understand this or the total disrespect some here show the most popular politician today. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #53

Popular of a couple Democrats and more Republicans, lmFao. Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #63

Riiiight. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #66

No, really. Funny. And I see it over and over and over. Lol. Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #67

I know, and it bothers me the disrespect that Obama was shown. sheshe2 Oct 2017 #69

That, is the reality. Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #70

Yes it is! sheshe2 Oct 2017 #72

Obama deserves our utmost respect, no doubt... can't disagree with you there. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #73

Thank you! Thank you!!!! sheshe2 Oct 2017 #74

Where have you seen it said that Bernie is more loved than Obama and has achieved more than him? InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #80

Nowhere melman Oct 2017 #90

I've never seen it,but if true, I'd be right there alongside sheshe condemning such false statements InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #108

Odd how Obama is never included lapucelle Oct 2017 #103

I love Danielle Martin! She's so articulate and isn't afraid to punch back. PatsFan87 Oct 2017 #9

I was hoping the is wasn't at the fake one? imanamerican63 Oct 2017 #12

As a Toronto resident ... NanceGreggs Oct 2017 #24

You and I think alike. NurseJackie Oct 2017 #28

Canada could teach him about healthcare as they have a good system from all accounts. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #29

We have a GREAT healthcare system here ... NanceGreggs Oct 2017 #30

That's the big point. My family up there have no qualms about the system, and.... George II Oct 2017 #33

I've been here for 42 years. NanceGreggs Oct 2017 #50

Lucky you. My oldest wants to move to Canada when her boyfriend gets out of college. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #109

Hey George, don't you love how they choose to shoot the messenger while completely lunamagica Oct 2017 #31

Precisely, thanks. I guess we'll never know the reasoning behind the changes in plans.... George II Oct 2017 #35

It could have been a great convention mcar Oct 2017 #55

It will still be a great convention...very excited to go. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #110

It's certainly curious. NurseJackie Oct 2017 #37

in the absence of any information whatsoever on the reasons, why would it raise this question? JCanete Oct 2017 #75

Why is there and absence of information on the reasons? That is the question lunamagica Oct 2017 #96

asking why is hardly the same thing as insinuating that the statement that he would be going to JCanete Oct 2017 #97

Where was the insinuation? He posted two articles, and his only comment was that first Sanders said lunamagica Oct 2017 #98

Right melman Oct 2017 #99

I guess it's easier to attack the OP, than to explain what Sanders is doing here lunamagica Oct 2017 #100

um...your direct insinuation. YOURS. wow. JCanete Oct 2017 #101

Oh, OK, I misread. Sorry about that. Well, my insinuation comes from Sanders being scheduled for lunamagica Oct 2017 #102

sorry, was really abrasive in my last post for no good reason. I understand the turn of events that JCanete Oct 2017 #105

No problem. lunamagica Oct 2017 #125

Why is Sanders giving a speech to Canadians on why their healthcare is better? DesertRat Oct 2017 #36

Flying north, not south? betsuni Oct 2017 #41

Your obsession with Bernies weekend plans are duly noted. aidbo Oct 2017 #56

WTF are you talking about? For a Senator who has been declared a decisive leader.... George II Oct 2017 #60

Is that the thing that we sit around saying about Sanders? That he is super decisive? Genuine JCanete Oct 2017 #76

Lol. Bingo. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2017 #68

LOL jalan48 Oct 2017 #71

Seriously melman Oct 2017 #86

What happened to the emergency trip to Puerto Rico?!! Wwcd Oct 2017 #82

I can't wait until us Real Democrats destroy that awful Bernie Sanders democrank Oct 2017 #83

I see what you did there hueymahl Oct 2017 #85

I am really glad Bernie took the time to invent single payer as well as campaign finance reform emulatorloo Oct 2017 #94

No one is destroying Sen. Sanders...I have no doubt he is popular Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #112

+1000 (nt) ehrnst Oct 2017 #115

Thanks. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #117