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In reply to the discussion: Tulsi Gabbard attacks democrats for funding Trump Oppo Research [View all]Gothmog
(181,375 posts)217. Campaign Finance Law: When Collusion with a Foreign Government Becomes a Crime
Rather than relying on a bogus source such as the one you are relying on, lets look at expert such as President Obama's election law attorney https://www.justsecurity.org/41593/hiding-plain-sight-federal-campaign-finance-law-trump-campaign-collusion-russia-trump/
Commentary on Russian intervention in the 2016 elections has included one confidently expressed and perhaps growing view: that there may be a scandal there, but no conceivable crime. It is claimed that the Trump campaign could wink and nod at Russian hacking, and derive the full benefit, but that without considerably more evidence of direct involvement, there is no role for criminal law enforcement. The matter is then left to Congress to consider whether new laws are needed, and the public, of course, will render its judgment in opinion polls and in elections still to come.
This view is flawed. It fails to consider the potential campaign finance violations, as suggested by the facts so far known, under existing law. These violations are criminally enforceable.
It would not be the first time Congress wrestled with these questions of foreign interference with the US electoral process. Following the 1996 elections, the Republican Party concluded that the victorious Bill Clinton had benefited from foreign intervention in his election. Its Senate majority organized hearings, chaired by the late Senator Fred Thompson, who opened them with the declaration that high-level Chinese officials had committed substantial sums of money to influence the presidential election. The ensuing investigation, which included a parallel criminal inquiry, did not live up to Senator Thompsons most dramatic claims, but Congress later amended the law to tighten the long-standing prohibition against foreign national spending in federal elections. On this point, there was bipartisan unity: that the law should stand clearly and without gaping loopholes against foreign interference in American elections.
Then the issue made a dramatic return in this last presidential election, but with a major difference. This time, there is no doubt that a foreign state, Russia, devoted resources to influence the outcome of the 2016 election. But unlike 1996, the manner of this interventionthe hacking of emails, the dissemination of fake newshas directed much of the legal discussion to computer security and espionage statutes. The controversy has not had the feel of a classic case about political spending. It has come across in press reporting and public discussion as a tale of 21st century cyber-crime and foreign intelligence service skullduggerymore sophisticated international intrigue than Watergates third-rate burglary and associated cover-up. Unlike the Watergate investigation, which began with a break-in, the New Yorkers and CNNs Jeffrey Toobin has written, it is not immediately clear what crimes may have been committed. And even if there might be criminal wrongdoing somewhere in this Trump campaign-Russia relationship, commentators have tended to doubt that there is yet sufficient hard evidence of it.
This view is flawed. It fails to consider the potential campaign finance violations, as suggested by the facts so far known, under existing law. These violations are criminally enforceable.
It would not be the first time Congress wrestled with these questions of foreign interference with the US electoral process. Following the 1996 elections, the Republican Party concluded that the victorious Bill Clinton had benefited from foreign intervention in his election. Its Senate majority organized hearings, chaired by the late Senator Fred Thompson, who opened them with the declaration that high-level Chinese officials had committed substantial sums of money to influence the presidential election. The ensuing investigation, which included a parallel criminal inquiry, did not live up to Senator Thompsons most dramatic claims, but Congress later amended the law to tighten the long-standing prohibition against foreign national spending in federal elections. On this point, there was bipartisan unity: that the law should stand clearly and without gaping loopholes against foreign interference in American elections.
Then the issue made a dramatic return in this last presidential election, but with a major difference. This time, there is no doubt that a foreign state, Russia, devoted resources to influence the outcome of the 2016 election. But unlike 1996, the manner of this interventionthe hacking of emails, the dissemination of fake newshas directed much of the legal discussion to computer security and espionage statutes. The controversy has not had the feel of a classic case about political spending. It has come across in press reporting and public discussion as a tale of 21st century cyber-crime and foreign intelligence service skullduggerymore sophisticated international intrigue than Watergates third-rate burglary and associated cover-up. Unlike the Watergate investigation, which began with a break-in, the New Yorkers and CNNs Jeffrey Toobin has written, it is not immediately clear what crimes may have been committed. And even if there might be criminal wrongdoing somewhere in this Trump campaign-Russia relationship, commentators have tended to doubt that there is yet sufficient hard evidence of it.
Again, the foreign party did not donate or make a contribution to the Clinton campaign.
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I disagree with Tulsi on this one... but, that's a bit of an exaggeration, dontchathink?
InAbLuEsTaTe
Oct 2017
#167
Yes because spouting talking points from a dictator who's terrorized and murdered over a
octoberlib
Oct 2017
#41
I notice you quoted the statements of Republicans attacking Gabbard extensively.
Old Crow
Oct 2017
#47
No, I didn't quote the statements of "Republicans attacking Gabbard extensively"
octoberlib
Oct 2017
#67
OK...perhaps not all are terrorists. But they pretty much all are religious extremists
Ken Burch
Oct 2017
#180
They are the Senate and House leaders...much different...she is bad news. I don't care who she
Demsrule86
Oct 2017
#96
3-4 years out of date? That's weird as the attack happened less than a year ago.
Gore1FL
Oct 2017
#146
Come on, get serious... I disagree with Tulsi in this particular instance,
InAbLuEsTaTe
Oct 2017
#168
And a paid KGB informant. At least I hope she is getting paid because she is
Eliot Rosewater
Oct 2019
#252
I feel similar to youo Eliot. What I do is avoid the national news media outlets. They masquerade
still_one
Oct 2017
#7
Reports of the early demise of the experiment known as the USA are greatly exaggerated.
Nitram
Oct 2017
#18
The scariest thing is that people think the only threat to our democracy is Donald Trump.
StevieM
Oct 2017
#136
I do remember her homophobic ant-Muslum bullshit, and she dares ask why people are turned off on
still_one
Oct 2017
#5
Am I correct in my recollection that she has some enthusiastic fans here at DU? Or...
NurseJackie
Oct 2017
#6
Not so much confused as they hate Democrats, especially Clinton's and wont admit it
Eliot Rosewater
Oct 2017
#52
The TOS don't ask that you support all democratic figures; only that you refrain from bashing them.
Old Crow
Oct 2017
#65
But so is Gabbard, right? Guess you've never, ever, ever ever seen her bash Obama?
brush
Oct 2017
#70
Discussing the rules and telling people what to do is against TOS also you know.
Demsrule86
Oct 2017
#99
Not really that. All candidates do oppo research. Bush initiated this project. Beware the spin
emulatorloo
Oct 2017
#194
Nope. I always vote for the Democrat who runs against the non-Democrat, however...
NurseJackie
Oct 2017
#149
Opposition research is done by every candidate - it would almost be campaign malfeasance not to
karynnj
Oct 2017
#14
This was known at least a year ago during the campaign the Democratic Party took over...
brush
Oct 2017
#109
That was SUSPECTED - after all who could benefit? - but this week was the first actual confirmation
karynnj
Oct 2017
#142
Thanks karynnj. So sorry for misreading and misinterpreting you, I apologize
emulatorloo
Oct 2017
#238
I agree. There also appears to be at least a colorable question about campaign finance law.
Jim Lane
Oct 2017
#143
Cleta Mitchell and von Spakovsky Advance Nutty Theory That Paying for Steele Dossier Violates Foreig
Gothmog
Oct 2017
#192
Campaign Finance Law: When Collusion with a Foreign Government Becomes a Crime
Gothmog
Oct 2017
#217
Since your claims on this thread was based solely on bogus GOP sources, I figured you could help
Gothmog
Nov 2017
#248
If the Clinton campaign did anything wrong (which it didn't) then the republicans.....
George II
Oct 2017
#198
Under this theory, trump violated the law by buying his MAGA merchandise from overseas vendors
Gothmog
Oct 2017
#193
The irony is, Trump and a number pf Republicans are on record saying political opposition
Nitram
Oct 2017
#17
Such an interesting comment...I mean I was about to say welcome to DU...but you seem almost like
Demsrule86
Oct 2017
#104
Apparently not...you know the rule about interfering with forum moderation?
Demsrule86
Oct 2017
#101
According to your own link, the House Ethics Committee had no problem with her trip.
Old Crow
Oct 2017
#33
Are you referring to more Harvard-Harris polls like the one that is posted here daily?
sheshe2
Oct 2017
#134
If you take the trouble to click on the link I gave, you'll see what I'm referring to
Jim Lane
Oct 2017
#141
Senator Sanders has nothing to do with Senator Gabbard's statements tonight
emulatorloo
Oct 2017
#164
That excuse is getting tiresome. Bernie has nothing to do with Gabbard's obsfucation tonight.
emulatorloo
Oct 2017
#163
Bernie doesn't have a damn thing to do with Senator Gabbard's dumb statement on CNN
emulatorloo
Oct 2017
#171
The "funding" issue is a red herring. 1) The CONTENT matters. 2) Both sides funded. . . . nt
Bernardo de La Paz
Oct 2017
#20
And why are you surprised when she acts like all the other politician-assholes?
waltben
Oct 2017
#26
And why are you conflating Democrats and Republicans? They are light years apart. n/t
pnwmom
Oct 2017
#241
You could phrase this more artfully, so as not to be misunderstood. ps I don't like her either.
Hekate
Oct 2017
#51
She has slurred President Obama for not using "muslim extremism" in the past.
BannonsLiver
Oct 2017
#112
Isn't that what Gabbard just did? She's done that several times on FOX to Obama also.
brush
Oct 2017
#113
This is an example of what's wrong with Tulsi Gabbard & why I don't much like her
Hekate
Oct 2017
#116
She sure "spoke her mind" when she slurred President Obama over the use of the term "radical islam".
BannonsLiver
Oct 2017
#200
You're kidding right. She bashes dems regularly on and has more repug supporters than Democratic.
brush
Oct 2019
#254
GOP'ers will spin this as "HILLARY COLLUDED WITH THE RUSSIANS" as some of Steele's sources were
emulatorloo
Oct 2017
#195