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139. Who said he "bought votes?"

Reply to Ken Burch (Reply #122)

Thu Oct 26, 2017, 03:42 PM

Oct 2017

Except you?

This is classic straw man....

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As Tensions Simmer, Poll Shows Majority of Democrats Want Bold Leftward Shift [View all] guillaumeb Oct 2017 OP

Oh you're a brave one. Thanks for posting... Purveyor Oct 2017 #1

An opinion piece. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #2

I'm not disagreeing but 1 hide from death so "just saying"... eom Purveyor Oct 2017 #12

Yeah, those "fact checkers" and "statistics freaks" are brutal ehrnst Oct 2017 #135

My thanks for posting also. I had planned to post something like this; but, ya beat me to it!!! LongTomH Oct 2017 #157

Thank you. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #158

The response to Bernie in the primary certainly proved this. jalan48 Oct 2017 #3

I agree. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #4

The winner of the popular vote should be the President. It's a no brainer. jalan48 Oct 2017 #5

Agreed. n/t Different Drummer Oct 2017 #20

Except for that out of date US constitution, negotiated to Alice11111 Oct 2017 #126

I hope they can do something about this as well. jalan48 Oct 2017 #130

Yep - Hillary was robbed. (nt) ehrnst Oct 2017 #136

Kerry and Gore as well. jalan48 Oct 2017 #137

Are you aware how his campaign acquired those ppl at the big rallys? Wwcd Oct 2017 #8

Those people weren't "acquired". They showed up because the message inspired them. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #14

Well put. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #17

Wrong. Wwcd Oct 2017 #24

Excuse me, but you can't just say "wrong". Ken Burch Oct 2017 #40

Exactly...and this is what pisses me off so much Yates Amatitio Oct 2017 #44

+++++++++++ HAB911 Oct 2017 #89

Perhaps this meme is a variant of the "Soros is funding protesters" guillaumeb Oct 2017 #111

Anyone Can Give Their Opinion Or Analysis Me. Oct 2017 #241

I've never expected my own OPs to be taken as infallible. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #243

Here's The Thing Me. Oct 2017 #244

He did do filings with the FEC, right? Ken Burch Oct 2017 #245

You KNow As Well As Anyone Me. Oct 2017 #247

That is simply one way of interpreting it. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #248

I Rest My Case Me. Oct 2017 #249

OK. She said that. I don't agree with what she said. And I don't think you can assume Ken Burch Oct 2017 #250

Here's The Problem Me. Oct 2017 #251

Which would be a valid point if there were any disagreements on those issues among progressives. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #252

Of Course There Is A Difference Me. Oct 2017 #253

It is difficult to draw any valid conclusions from this particular poll lapucelle Oct 2017 #255

+1000 (nt) ehrnst Oct 2017 #92

Bernie's campaign was not a plot to sabotage Hillary Ken Burch Oct 2017 #127

You have made a few unsupported assertions. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #159

+1 lunamagica Oct 2017 #163

Thank you.. whathehell Oct 2017 #102

What message? Wwcd Oct 2017 #105

He didn't buy votes. Nobody bought votes for him. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #122

Who said he "bought votes?" ehrnst Oct 2017 #139

And Wellstone would have won... GulfCoast66 Oct 2017 #164

I agree with you. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #165

I politely disagree. GulfCoast66 Oct 2017 #166

When you respond tomorrow or whenver, could you clarify which point in that post Ken Burch Oct 2017 #171

many at the rallies we not registered to vote wasupaloopa Oct 2017 #71

They did vote in the primary. Scruffy1 Oct 2017 #222

You are correct. His loss by 4 million votes was a statement. VermontKevin Oct 2017 #112

NUMBERS ARE MEANINGLESS The Polack MSgt Oct 2017 #117

I hate when I bring facts into arguments. Makes for a nasty time. VermontKevin Oct 2017 #118

Money.💰💸 Dems can't fight nukes with bb guns. Alice11111 Oct 2017 #128

Of course enthusiasm counts more than numbers. ehrnst Oct 2017 #133

The votes that he won was also a statement. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #160

It is just not true...Sen. Sanders was not the candidate...and that poll is BS-looked at it a Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #174

Then why didn't he win the nomination? treestar Oct 2017 #181

Not happening. The far left lost badly in 2016. liquid diamond Oct 2017 #6

Thus explaining Sanders continued popularity? guillaumeb Oct 2017 #7

Poles are irrelevant. liquid diamond Oct 2017 #9

Voices of thousands also made it clear in the case of the recent Wwcd Oct 2017 #11

Spot on. liquid diamond Oct 2017 #18

Your impression of the Harvard-Harris poll is incorrect. Jim Lane Oct 2017 #29

So again, where did they poll? A Facebook poll? Yahoo? Wwcd Oct 2017 #34

It's obviously not "an internet poll" in the sense the detractors mean Jim Lane Oct 2017 #56

Mark Penn. Propaganda & Republican Ties delisen Oct 2017 #91

Harris Poll owned by Mark Penn. delisen Oct 2017 #108

Just STOP it with your "facts" and "research." ehrnst Oct 2017 #138

The Harris Poll conducts the survey using The Harris Panel lapucelle Oct 2017 #231

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2017 #260

Other questions to the same respondents yielded these results. lapucelle Oct 2017 #217

Something screwy about the page numbering Jim Lane Oct 2017 #218

There seems to be problems with the design of this particular poll lapucelle Oct 2017 #220

An interesting observation is that every issue and candidate in the 2016 election that Sanders still_one Oct 2017 #64

Your statement is false Jim Lane Oct 2017 #75

There was more than just four where he personnally participated. RussFeingold, Zephyr Teachout, still_one Oct 2017 #86

Thank you, for this honest & well stated post Wwcd Oct 2017 #87

Damn straight. (nt) ehrnst Oct 2017 #140

Goalpost move duly noted Jim Lane Oct 2017 #219

Other perspectives ehrnst Oct 2017 #141

That's not exactly an "other" perspective than mine Jim Lane Oct 2017 #227

I guess you see victories when you need them. ehrnst Oct 2017 #232

Very clever innuendo Jim Lane Oct 2017 #233

Yes, I've read your name in the news. ehrnst Oct 2017 #238

I would be careful about relying on data lapucelle Oct 2017 #221

I would be careful about missing the forest for the trees. Jim Lane Oct 2017 #223

Yes, lapucelle Oct 2017 #224

Do you believe that there are significant differences of opinion among Democrats? (n/t) Jim Lane Oct 2017 #225

I think that poll data as an accurate measure of public opinion lapucelle Oct 2017 #229

Your failure to answer my question is very revealing. Thank you. (n/t) Jim Lane Oct 2017 #234

Refusal to indulge entitled non sequitur is not "failure". It's choice. lapucelle Oct 2017 #235

You are a gem, lapucelle! R B Garr Oct 2017 #236

... lapucelle Oct 2017 #237

### NurseJackie Oct 2017 #239

The issue was the messenger. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #15

Which is precisely why the claim of Sander's popularity among all others is a myth. Wwcd Oct 2017 #30

I don't know. Look, most Sanders supporters admired Paul Wellstone. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #42

So Progressives should not speak of the man that epitomizes the Progressive Party??? Wwcd Oct 2017 #100

Of course Wellstone should be spoken of. But he wouldn't want to be subject to a cult. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #124

Again - who said that Sanders' campaign was financed from an illegitimate source ehrnst Oct 2017 #144

The poster I was trying to respond to(Not YOU) talked about this mysterious "dump" of money. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #161

"why are you acting as if it's suspect that Bernie was drawing those crowds? " ehrnst Oct 2017 #173

Yep... just like that. NurseJackie Oct 2017 #179

It WAS a response to someone else. I initially responded to you by accident. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #187

This post was a response to me ehrnst Oct 2017 #190

No. it was honestly meant to be a response to another poster-to post #100, to be precise. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #191

As I said, it was meant to be a reponse to Wwcd. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #213

NO. It was intended as a response to an entirely different person Ken Burch Oct 2017 #214

Paul Wellstone. ehrnst Oct 2017 #142

And I absolutely wasn't excluding them. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #162

Senator Wellstone opossed Sanders on Sierra Blanca. In this instance, Sen Wellston showed he was the lunamagica Oct 2017 #167

Paul Wellstone was great. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #170

Thank you. ehrnst Oct 2017 #143

That was a great post. Thanks very much! NurseJackie Oct 2017 #188

Of course they are! Unless they are United States citizens they can't vote in the U.S. retread Oct 2017 #85

You're referring to Clinton's winning the popular vote by millions? LanternWaste Oct 2017 #125

of course the Poles are irrelevant treestar Oct 2017 #183

When Harvard-Harris is the only proof shown, there's room for question. Wwcd Oct 2017 #10

He lost to one of the most hated democrats in history...by 4 million votes. liquid diamond Oct 2017 #66

an unknown senator from a small state shanny Oct 2017 #72

Weird, but that same thing happened to Trump! Wwcd Oct 2017 #103

Hmmm. Amazing and very interesting... lunamagica Oct 2017 #168

+1000 (nt) ehrnst Oct 2017 #94

The track record of those he endorses isn't good. ehrnst Oct 2017 #93

No so much with Democrats in my opinion...but sure the some GOP like him but would not vote for him Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #175

A majority of Democrats treestar Oct 2017 #182

The headline refers to policy, not candidate. eom guillaumeb Oct 2017 #195

People vote for the candidate with the policy they want treestar Oct 2017 #197

huh? the far left? who the hell is that? Yates Amatitio Oct 2017 #48

Welcome to DU, and I agree. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #110

And Sanders isn't even a "left" social democrat...... socialist_n_TN Oct 2017 #115

But there is one huge difference between the 2. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #146

Well that's a first. (nt) ehrnst Oct 2017 #147

Agreed. There is NO politician in the US........ socialist_n_TN Oct 2017 #116

WTF!? ProudLib72 Oct 2017 #13

I posted the piece. I did not write the piece. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #16

Sorry for the confusion. I wasn't referring to your posts ProudLib72 Oct 2017 #21

I took no offense, but I like to remind people guillaumeb Oct 2017 #22

Agreed. Bernie is not the messiah(nobody ever actually thought he WAS) Ken Burch Oct 2017 #19

Fine, but let's concentrate on issues instead of personalities ProudLib72 Oct 2017 #25

1) My point was precisely that we SHOULD be talking issues, not personalities Ken Burch Oct 2017 #45

I stated that poorly ProudLib72 Oct 2017 #51

Thank you for the clarification. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #67

Yep. (nt) ehrnst Oct 2017 #101

If he doesn't run again? It doesn't matter if he runs again. It won't be as a Democrat. MrsCoffee Oct 2017 #26

Well The Organizers In Somerville Agree With You Me. Oct 2017 #37

I certainly dont trust him/them. Hillary is stepping up to campaign for Northam. MrsCoffee Oct 2017 #82

Perriello is as well, despite the digging in of the VA branch of ehrnst Oct 2017 #98

She Truly Is Me. Oct 2017 #106

On what basis do you say he won't run again as a Democrat? Jim Lane Oct 2017 #60

That ship has sailed. MrsCoffee Oct 2017 #84

I didn't get any "belief" that the DNC can and will take action to bar him ehrnst Oct 2017 #99

That's why I posed it as a question instead of making an assumption Jim Lane Oct 2017 #119

"seems to be" doesn't really instill your statements with ehrnst Oct 2017 #145

He didn't run to sabotage anything, for God's sakes. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #129

Anathemized? ehrnst Oct 2017 #96

What else would you call it, when there seems to be this great, relentless push Ken Burch Oct 2017 #121

I would call it hyperbole. ehrnst Oct 2017 #131

This message was self-deleted by its author lunamagica Oct 2017 #169

+100000000 treestar Oct 2017 #184

Harvard Harris INTERNET POLL AGAIN? sheshe2 Oct 2017 #23

I Love THe Triple Vote Ploy Me. Oct 2017 #38

Tee Hee sheshe2 Oct 2017 #39

Clicky-clicky! (LOL!) NurseJackie Oct 2017 #104

The internets which brought us Boaty McBoatface. ehrnst Oct 2017 #132

I looked at it ...total crap...tried to prove the POC love Sen. Sanders a few days ago. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #176

Or, we could just keep losing... HopeAgain Oct 2017 #27

Internet polls are about as reliable as commondreams.org. They are neither random, nor........... Tarheel_Dem Oct 2017 #28

This message was self-deleted by its author BainsBane Oct 2017 #47

Precisely. n/t Tarheel_Dem Oct 2017 #73

but the Harris Poll gives Rewards for signing up! delisen Oct 2017 #109

Joe Biden 2020 aeromanKC Oct 2017 #31

I can get behind that. Experience and stability after this clusterfuck is a winning card, IMO. Purveyor Oct 2017 #58

I'm a democrat rainin Oct 2017 #32

I gave $$$$ to and spent hours campaiging for bernie SeattlePop Oct 2017 #33

Yes, those that did the same work for Sec Clinton feel exactly as you do. Wwcd Oct 2017 #36

The oligarchs can be beaten SeattlePop Oct 2017 #35

Thanks to all the people who refused to vote for Clinton BainsBane Oct 2017 #49

Common Dreams is right and you are wrong. Jim Lane Oct 2017 #61

Common dreams is virtually never right. They are a joke. nt stevenleser Oct 2017 #97

I have no issue with leftist positions. JHan Oct 2017 #41

Common Dreams is Kremlin rag BainsBane Oct 2017 #43

There is no such question in that Harris poll BainsBane Oct 2017 #46

Curious how you know this site is a "Kremlin Rag?" Is there some evidence linking it to the Russian jalan48 Oct 2017 #52

This message was self-deleted by its author BainsBane Oct 2017 #55

Because you have questions about one article on a site it becomes a "Kremlin Rag"? jalan48 Oct 2017 #57

No, because of the pro-Kremlin shit BainsBane Oct 2017 #59

This message was self-deleted by its author jalan48 Oct 2017 #68

Actually I am wrong BainsBane Oct 2017 #69

This message was self-deleted by its author jalan48 Oct 2017 #70

I noticed you deleted the friendly posts BainsBane Oct 2017 #80

I decided to delete after I realized I responded to the wrong link. jalan48 Oct 2017 #107

Thanks for understanding BainsBane Oct 2017 #114

The article you call a "fabrication" is correct and your post is false. Jim Lane Oct 2017 #62

I checked the poll; BainsBane Oct 2017 #65

An interesting choice of words Jim Lane Oct 2017 #74

You most certainly did BainsBane Oct 2017 #76

You disagree with a bunch of things that I didn't say. Jim Lane Oct 2017 #216

Moving right is getting us nowhere. Attempting to reason with them is getting us nowhere. Initech Oct 2017 #50

Please list policies of the Democratic Party which are rightwing. What is Schumer or Pelosi emulatorloo Oct 2017 #204

The tensions seem to be here with the centrists lovemydogs Oct 2017 #53

You are surrounded by left liberals and progressives. Drop the "Centrist" smear. emulatorloo Oct 2017 #196

Encouraging colsohlibgal Oct 2017 #54

24.7% of respondents identify as liberal BainsBane Oct 2017 #63

I agree with moving left Tavarious Jackson Oct 2017 #77

Not this shit again! That's what cost us last time. coolsandy Oct 2017 #78

I don't know why so many of you think we should just stay the course. Tobin S. Oct 2017 #79

Right on target in my view. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #113

Feingold lost treestar Oct 2017 #185

One polititcian, one state, and not far enough to the left Tobin S. Oct 2017 #193

ordinary people are the party treestar Oct 2017 #199

If ordinary people are the party then the party needs to adequately represent them, and it isn't. Tobin S. Oct 2017 #209

They have to get involved. treestar Oct 2017 #215

Feingold is not far enough to the left? He is a solid progressive. I do not understand emulatorloo Oct 2017 #200

Here's a hint Tobin S. Oct 2017 #207

Thanks, but no need to be condescending w "Here's a hint" thing emulatorloo Oct 2017 #208

Okay. I'm just getting weary. Tobin S. Oct 2017 #210

Ok emulatorloo Oct 2017 #211

The Democratic party is currently a moderate party Tobin S. Oct 2017 #212

+1 demmiblue Oct 2017 #192

Yep but the neo-liberals malaise Oct 2017 #81

According to the same poll, 63% of all respondents lapucelle Oct 2017 #83

Common Dreams ain't on board with the Kremlin-bashing bluedye33139 Oct 2017 #90

52 percent want to ditch Perez and Ellison bluedye33139 Oct 2017 #88

Ahh..the internet polls are back. LexVegas Oct 2017 #95

This is the PERFECT time to rip ourselves apart! Adrahil Oct 2017 #120

Dissension in the Party? guillaumeb Oct 2017 #149

Snark detector is going off..... Adrahil Oct 2017 #153

If you characterize my post as evidence of such intent, guillaumeb Oct 2017 #154

Thanks! Reputin-Lite isn't going to save the country. lagomorph777 Oct 2017 #123

What Democrats are "Reputin-Lite?" ehrnst Oct 2017 #134

Ahhh. I see the russians are being successful again. Jakes Progress Oct 2017 #148

How insightful. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #151

There is an old saying about campaigning to the left and governing to the center. kentuck Oct 2017 #150

What an interesting thought. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #152

we need UBI but everyone seems to be fighting the last election. CK_John Oct 2017 #155

I look at this as a needed discussion of the future direction of the Party. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #156

Apparently, according to the "Very Serious People", that's a toxic issue to run on. HughBeaumont Oct 2017 #178

That's the right wing attitude treestar Oct 2017 #186

When push came to shove, mainstream Democrats didn't even want multi-payer. HughBeaumont Oct 2017 #189

We need to get people concerned about it treestar Oct 2017 #202

Maybe but Harvard-Harris is the new HA Goodman. ucrdem Oct 2017 #172

This Me. Oct 2017 #242

well no ones gonna get anything if people dont vote!!! samnsara Oct 2017 #177

Yet only one year ago, the majority treestar Oct 2017 #180

An approximate 55 to 43% division. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #194

Of course it does treestar Oct 2017 #198

They might have voted for the one deemed more electable. eom guillaumeb Oct 2017 #258

But that poll surely tells us EVERYTHING about what people want! MrsCoffee Oct 2017 #201

What does the 55 to 43% division tell you? eom guillaumeb Oct 2017 #259

Three things emulatorloo Oct 2017 #203

Look at the states...and you sure as hell don't see much leftward movement. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #256

The party is moving left. emulatorloo Oct 2017 #205

This Democrat sure as fuck does! 50 Shades Of Blue Oct 2017 #206

I think the party is the right balance Loki Liesmith Oct 2017 #226

Absolutely Lunabell Oct 2017 #228

That and a healthy dose of gerrymandering and suppression. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #230

None of which gets talked about enough by Democrats. Garrett78 Oct 2017 #246

Agreed. An excellent and concise summary. eom guillaumeb Oct 2017 #254

Harvard-Harris haven't been known to conduct the most objective polls. George II Oct 2017 #240

You mean simply take it back to where it was 40 years ago? nt Quixote1818 Oct 2017 #257