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In reply to the discussion: Walmart is piloting Shelf Scanning Robots in 50 stores [View all]HughBeaumont
(24,461 posts)51. Mother Jones offers a more stark and alarming picture.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/10/you-will-lose-your-job-to-a-robot-and-sooner-than-you-think/
Of course, since this is America, where we have an economic system that's awesome in CREATING wealth but incredibly piss-poor when it comes to DISTRIBUTING that wealth, I don't feel anything's going to change and it's going to become Mad Max.
So who benefits? The answer is obvious: the owners of capital, who will control most of the robots. Who suffers? Thats obvious too: the rest of us, who currently trade work for money. No work means no money.
But things wont actually be quite that grim. After all, fully automated farms and factories will produce much cheaper goods, and competition will then force down prices. Basic material comfort will be cheap as dirt.
Still not free, though. And capitalists can only make money if they have someone to sell their goods to. This means that even the business class will eventually realize that ubiquitous automation doesnt really benefit them after all. They need customers with money if they want to be rich themselves.
One way or another, then, the answer to the mass unemployment of the AI Revolution has to involve some kind of sweeping redistribution of income that decouples it from work. Or a total rethinking of what work is. Or a total rethinking of what wealth is. Lets consider a few of the possibilities.
But things wont actually be quite that grim. After all, fully automated farms and factories will produce much cheaper goods, and competition will then force down prices. Basic material comfort will be cheap as dirt.
Still not free, though. And capitalists can only make money if they have someone to sell their goods to. This means that even the business class will eventually realize that ubiquitous automation doesnt really benefit them after all. They need customers with money if they want to be rich themselves.
One way or another, then, the answer to the mass unemployment of the AI Revolution has to involve some kind of sweeping redistribution of income that decouples it from work. Or a total rethinking of what work is. Or a total rethinking of what wealth is. Lets consider a few of the possibilities.
Of course, since this is America, where we have an economic system that's awesome in CREATING wealth but incredibly piss-poor when it comes to DISTRIBUTING that wealth, I don't feel anything's going to change and it's going to become Mad Max.
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"The robots pass that data to store employees, who then stock the shelves and fix errors"
PoliticAverse
Oct 2017
#1
But people who operate, sell and maintain those robots will likely shop at Walmart.
procon
Oct 2017
#41
Yes, who hadn't seen a package of meat placed in some non-refridgerated part of a food store
PoliticAverse
Oct 2017
#17
Maybe we should send a 'market signal' by ending Child credit all other kid related subsidies.
Le Gaucher
Oct 2017
#11
that is not the way it is now. You get a credit per kid. I think. While this is
Le Gaucher
Oct 2017
#32
You misread. The self scanning robots aren't doing checkout, they are doing inventory of the sales
FSogol
Oct 2017
#25
So,the answer is to keep using the damn "self check out" lanes, shrug at robotic shelf stockers and
Atticus
Oct 2017
#28
I fail to see how even the entire population of DU would affect a company making $485 billion...
LanternWaste
Oct 2017
#36
No, but the workers who design those robots, sell them, build, program, operate,
procon
Oct 2017
#43
Um, yes, those would be "Not the people the robots made permanently unemployed/unemployable".
HughBeaumont
Oct 2017
#44
the managers do the scanning at our stores, so this wouldn't reduce their hours
bigtree
Oct 2017
#18
"save employees time" is the ever-complicit MSM propaganda arm of the wealthy.
WinkyDink
Oct 2017
#22
I-Increase real time stock knowledge from manufacturing floor to store shelf.Errors and payroll gone
lunasun
Oct 2017
#26
Oh I'm sure we can get some legislation passed to equip the robots with tasers.
Hassin Bin Sober
Oct 2017
#34