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121. actually impossible in Western Civ.

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How Much Religeon Should Be Discussed In Our Public Schools? [View all] MontanaMama Oct 2017 OP

Flat out teaching Christianity, illegal, i say give em hell Eliot Rosewater Oct 2017 #1

Thanks. MontanaMama Oct 2017 #18

I disagree. As an English teacher, i am glad when the kids know this stuff adigal Oct 2017 #126

I dont see any reason anyone needs to know Eliot Rosewater Oct 2017 #127

Seriously? Easter is incredibly important in both the history adigal Oct 2017 #131

As long as equal time is given to at least 3 other religions, fine. Eliot Rosewater Oct 2017 #134

We teach literature mostly from Europe, thus mostly a Christian background adigal Oct 2017 #137

Nope. MontanaMama Oct 2017 #174

If you're teaching Bible, you shouldn't be teaching in a public school mountain grammy Oct 2017 #168

I don't think it is appropriate personally. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #248

"christ" is opinion, not fact Mosby Oct 2017 #2

I've always thought that the existence of Jesus MontanaMama Oct 2017 #21

Jesus was almost certainly a real man Drahthaardogs Oct 2017 #87

The ossuary and Peter's remains are very disputed. Codeine Oct 2017 #128

No they are not Drahthaardogs Oct 2017 #159

Didn't they just find Peter's bones AGAIN? Like, they've found them a couple of times. VermontKevin Oct 2017 #185

There are always those saying they found them for real Drahthaardogs Oct 2017 #211

"Pilates" should never have existed, but "Pilate" was only disputed by those who never read Philo VermontKevin Oct 2017 #217

Autocorrect likes to change Pilates to Drahthaardogs Oct 2017 #218

Lost again. Lol. VermontKevin Oct 2017 #219

This is funny! Drahthaardogs Oct 2017 #221

Ha! Drahthaardogs Oct 2017 #220

At first I thought you were giving the edhopper Oct 2017 #200

Yes. Even the most famous Jesus myther Drahthaardogs Oct 2017 #210

Though it's funny how some Christains edhopper Oct 2017 #212

Alternatively guillaumeb Oct 2017 #81

Hmmmm. MontanaMama Oct 2017 #90

Muslims do honor Jesus as a prophet. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #93

I didn't know this! MontanaMama Oct 2017 #95

None !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! n/t RKP5637 Oct 2017 #3

That's what I was thinking... eom MontanaMama Oct 2017 #22

None Matthew28 Oct 2017 #4

I lean this way as well. MontanaMama Oct 2017 #26

I'm a bit divided on this... Wounded Bear Oct 2017 #5

No part of Medieval history turned on knowing the first important sacrament marylandblue Oct 2017 #24

95 Thesis. The Reformation Drahthaardogs Oct 2017 #225

That's after the Renaissance marylandblue Oct 2017 #226

So? Drahthaardogs Oct 2017 #227

Church history is a big part of European history marylandblue Oct 2017 #229

Their whole life revolved around the Church Drahthaardogs Oct 2017 #230

Which one of those events involved knowing the 7 sacraments? marylandblue Oct 2017 #231

Uh, Council of Nicaea... Drahthaardogs Oct 2017 #236

Mostly concerned the Arian Heresy and not during the Middle Ages marylandblue Oct 2017 #237

Okay, we are done. Drahthaardogs Oct 2017 #239

There is no need to be insulting marylandblue Oct 2017 #241

I have given multiple reasons WHY Drahthaardogs Oct 2017 #242

My original comment: "no part of medieval history turns on knowing the first important sacrament." marylandblue Oct 2017 #243

Maybe, but... Drahthaardogs Oct 2017 #245

Well you could be right about that marylandblue Oct 2017 #249

I agree. Drahthaardogs Oct 2017 #250

Thanks. MontanaMama Oct 2017 #27

Addressing religion in a historical context is one thing, indoctrination is another. Irish_Dem Oct 2017 #105

None. nt frogmarch Oct 2017 #6

I would certainly ask those questions wryter2000 Oct 2017 #7

I agree. MontanaMama Oct 2017 #28

All or nothing.... Thomas Hurt Oct 2017 #8

When I was a Catholic kid MontanaMama Oct 2017 #56

the Mormons were not a majority in my hometown, they kept it on the down low. Thomas Hurt Oct 2017 #66

The comparative study of religions is probably a good thing. milestogo Oct 2017 #9

Yeah... MontanaMama Oct 2017 #32

Most people are illiterate regarding all religions, including their own. kwassa Oct 2017 #120

I Agree ProfessorGAC Oct 2017 #238

i agree. Im atheist but i took World Religions in College..great class! samnsara Oct 2017 #252

So Did I ProfessorGAC Oct 2017 #254

The church was a hugely important institution in Medieval Europe HopeAgain Oct 2017 #10

I don't think religion should be taught or discussed TheDebbieDee Oct 2017 #11

So much literature is based on the Church, as that was the major social, adigal Oct 2017 #129

Would need to know a little more about the context gratuitous Oct 2017 #12

Great points! MontanaMama Oct 2017 #34

Keep in mind the curricula is set by the state and the school district n/t TexasBushwhacker Oct 2017 #48

None. That's what church is for. octoberlib Oct 2017 #13

Exactly what MontanaMama Oct 2017 #36

How about these questions instead? MineralMan Oct 2017 #14

None.. BlueJac Oct 2017 #15

Haha! MontanaMama Oct 2017 #37

You have to understand Christian traditions, beliefs, rituals adigal Oct 2017 #138

This would be my hope MontanaMama Oct 2017 #149

That's funny! Joking, right? mountain grammy Oct 2017 #170

Ok, when you have any logical responses we can chat adigal Oct 2017 #188

Nothing rational to discuss with someone mountain grammy Oct 2017 #194

Maybe you should read better...I dont teach the Bible adigal Oct 2017 #195

You said you are teaching the bible.. mountain grammy Oct 2017 #197

Yes for the right reason Averagegrunt Oct 2017 #16

Agreed, but looking at the depth of the questions it appears to me that rurallib Oct 2017 #33

Info Averagegrunt Oct 2017 #40

Agreed MontanaMama Oct 2017 #58

Thanks. MontanaMama Oct 2017 #43

I can agree Averagegrunt Oct 2017 #116

I get you on this. MontanaMama Oct 2017 #118

I teach hs English and I see no issue with this information adigal Oct 2017 #135

This Averagegrunt Oct 2017 #147

I think those questions cross over into teaching about Christianity ... crosinski Oct 2017 #17

This thread MontanaMama Oct 2017 #61

As others have said these questions exboyfil Oct 2017 #19

You do realize that Lutheranism paved the way for feudalism Drahthaardogs Oct 2017 #23

I think your timeline is a bit skewed... Wounded Bear Oct 2017 #31

I meant paved the way for the fall of it Drahthaardogs Oct 2017 #42

I think a larger reason for the fall of feudalism was the plague dhol82 Oct 2017 #101

Yes, during plagues, the peasants took off from the land and headed to adigal Oct 2017 #141

Feudalism came to England with the French, 1066. Feudalism means adigal Oct 2017 #139

Cool. Did not know the military aspect of feudalism. dhol82 Oct 2017 #152

I am not sure that Lutheranism exboyfil Oct 2017 #38

Not to be too theological, but Sola fidelis as Luther Drahthaardogs Oct 2017 #47

Interesting point exboyfil Oct 2017 #55

In my mind, Luther left confession Drahthaardogs Oct 2017 #72

Luther came after. NutmegYankee Oct 2017 #63

I omitted the fall Drahthaardogs Oct 2017 #73

I too was browsing on the phone. NutmegYankee Oct 2017 #85

Luther was much later. WinkyDink Oct 2017 #150

Feudalism existed long before Luther. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2017 #155

Exactly. MontanaMama Oct 2017 #45

The history of Rome, The Church, and the modern world Drahthaardogs Oct 2017 #20

The question is how deep do you go into exboyfil Oct 2017 #46

Today, it's not Drahthaardogs Oct 2017 #52

So who is the number 2? exboyfil Oct 2017 #59

I have no idea! MontanaMama Oct 2017 #70

I believe the Secretary of State would not be Pope Drahthaardogs Oct 2017 #76

Exactly! MontanaMama Oct 2017 #67

My first automatic reaction was NONE. However, northoftheborder Oct 2017 #25

Thank you. MontanaMama Oct 2017 #49

Actually, if we had an official religion the evangelicals Drahthaardogs Oct 2017 #92

I had the same initial first reaction, but then I reconsidered and think it should only smirkymonkey Oct 2017 #125

If the lesson is focused on European history in the middle ages ClarendonDem Oct 2017 #202

I teach public college and I include a lot of this stuff. Coventina Oct 2017 #29

I learned a lot about various Religions studying Art History.. annabanana Oct 2017 #64

I was the same way. I couldn't "get" history just by lectures. It took art history to make sense Coventina Oct 2017 #107

I get that. MontanaMama Oct 2017 #69

Well, I would say, Christianity was THE dominating force in the European Middle Ages. Coventina Oct 2017 #108

Cardinals and Bishops were very crucial in both history and literature adigal Oct 2017 #133

Zero, Zip, Nada, None, Zilch, Nil, Naught, Nix, Nought, Nihil. SamKnause Oct 2017 #30

Tell me how you really feel? MontanaMama Oct 2017 #71

Then you are going to have amazingly uneducated dolts in schools nt adigal Oct 2017 #140

religion should definitely handmade34 Oct 2017 #35

Thank you for this! MontanaMama Oct 2017 #74

slightly off topic, but the middle question rurallib Oct 2017 #39

That's what I thought, too ProudLib72 Oct 2017 #53

Yep. MontanaMama Oct 2017 #75

This is too much for a 7th grader LeftInTX Oct 2017 #41

YES! MontanaMama Oct 2017 #78

Lots of reasns for them to know it, and why not? adigal Oct 2017 #143

Just enough to spell it correctly. L. Coyote Oct 2017 #44

Great is like a discussion of witchcraft Not Ruth Oct 2017 #50

Fine to provide a general outline of all the European religions at the time. lagomorph777 Oct 2017 #51

Religion of any kind has NO place in public school. Doreen Oct 2017 #54

Those questions don't strike me as problematic ClarendonDem Oct 2017 #57

None as far as trying to subject young mind to a specific belief/dogma. Kleveland Oct 2017 #60

lol, I went all 4 years of High school to a christian school OriginalGeek Oct 2017 #62

So how do I teach Canterbury Tales without discussing the Church? adigal Oct 2017 #191

Nope OriginalGeek Oct 2017 #223

That teacher would hear from me as well, had I a child in the class. Solly Mack Oct 2017 #65

Yes, MontanaMama Oct 2017 #82

NONE Skittles Oct 2017 #68

I'm waiting for the teacher MontanaMama Oct 2017 #80

How about they watch Monty Python and the Holy Grail and check it off the list? Not Ruth Oct 2017 #77

If only! MontanaMama Oct 2017 #79

what are the state standards? janterry Oct 2017 #83

I'd like to go MontanaMama Oct 2017 #86

A section of history class dealing briefly with the history of religion in the US guillaumeb Oct 2017 #84

Didn't even think of the ACLU. MontanaMama Oct 2017 #88

I think comparative religion is a legitimate subject meow2u3 Oct 2017 #89

I don't have an issue with it MontanaMama Oct 2017 #94

Appropriate ONLY IF similar questions about other religions are also asked, elleng Oct 2017 #91

It doesn't appear that any other MontanaMama Oct 2017 #98

ABSOLUTELY supported. elleng Oct 2017 #113

If the literature isnt Muslim or Jewish based, why teach them. adigal Oct 2017 #144

Teach as HISTORY, not as 'literature.' elleng Oct 2017 #145

I teach British lit, which is all based on Europe, which was mostly adigal Oct 2017 #146

Teaching the bible in a public school is malpractice. mountain grammy Oct 2017 #171

If the students have no background, how can they understand the literature? adigal Oct 2017 #187

You are teaching bible study in a public school. mountain grammy Oct 2017 #196

Where does anyone support "teaching the bible"? ClarendonDem Oct 2017 #203

See post #131 mountain grammy Oct 2017 #205

That post looks reasonable to me ClarendonDem Oct 2017 #216

No this teacher says he/she is mountain grammy Oct 2017 #222

Nonsense. Drahthaardogs Oct 2017 #161

NO NONSENSE, elleng Oct 2017 #166

Why? Drahthaardogs Oct 2017 #169

So DON'T teach them all, elleng Oct 2017 #180

I don't care if it has 4 billion followers Drahthaardogs Oct 2017 #183

100% correct - i get discouraged when Dems fear things being taught adigal Oct 2017 #190

None! Daphne08 Oct 2017 #96

Great feedback. MontanaMama Oct 2017 #99

What subject did you teach? If you taught English or History and REFUSED adigal Oct 2017 #142

the ppl you should ask are The Freedom From Religion samnsara Oct 2017 #97

I've got a call in to the teacher MontanaMama Oct 2017 #102

Montana, depends on the context and class. KY_EnviroGuy Oct 2017 #100

Me too KY_EnviroGuy. MontanaMama Oct 2017 #104

Thanks, and please let us know what happens! KY_EnviroGuy Oct 2017 #111

An alternative way to handle this would be to find avebury Oct 2017 #103

Oh snap! MontanaMama Oct 2017 #106

I was force fed creationism loyalsister Oct 2017 #109

Shouldn't this be taught in church? Not in school. And why Catholicism? blueinredohio Oct 2017 #110

the history of the church handmade34 Oct 2017 #184

I would want a gander at the textbook and curriculum for the course NotASurfer Oct 2017 #112

I would do exactly that MontanaMama Oct 2017 #117

Good advice. NT Adrahil Oct 2017 #122

Pretty hard to teach history art or literature without including religion. ileus Oct 2017 #114

actually impossible in Western Civ. kwassa Oct 2017 #121

In a STRICT historical context, it should be okay. VOX Oct 2017 #115

Depends on context. Adrahil Oct 2017 #119

I would have a BIG problem with this! Luciferous Oct 2017 #123

As do I. MontanaMama Oct 2017 #163

Well I hope you get some answers. My kids Luciferous Oct 2017 #175

Oh hell yes. MontanaMama Oct 2017 #176

Well it's Mississippi. We do a lot of supplemental Luciferous Oct 2017 #177

What I object to .... kwassa Oct 2017 #124

Exactly. MontanaMama Oct 2017 #164

I'm assuming this is a public school NastyRiffraff Oct 2017 #130

Public middle school. MontanaMama Oct 2017 #165

More than how much, the question would be how they do it karynnj Oct 2017 #132

Very good. MontanaMama Oct 2017 #151

Definitely not enough so kids learn how to spell it. n/t rzemanfl Oct 2017 #136

IMO, enough to understand the basic allusions in the art and literature they study. Same with WinkyDink Oct 2017 #148

Christians beleive Christ rose from the dead. What holiday celebrates that? Would have been a more brewens Oct 2017 #153

A certain amount of understanding Christianity and the Catholic Church is crucial for understanding cemaphonic Oct 2017 #154

Oh yes. MontanaMama Oct 2017 #156

It's pretty tough to understand European history without knowing something The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2017 #157

I always enjoy your perspective VO, MontanaMama Oct 2017 #158

And don't forget music! MyOwnPeace Oct 2017 #160

This is ok if.... nini Oct 2017 #162

Not to my knowledge. MontanaMama Oct 2017 #167

If not.. I bet they get calls from the Non Catholic Christians too nini Oct 2017 #182

Depends on the point of the lesson adigal Oct 2017 #192

idoctrination yortsed snacilbuper Oct 2017 #172

Bingo. eom. MontanaMama Oct 2017 #173

Former catholic, myself. Kath2 Oct 2017 #178

Former Catholic here as well. MontanaMama Oct 2017 #179

Amen (LOL) to that, sister. Kath2 Oct 2017 #181

the golden rule & the beatitudes. and render unto caesar what is his. nothing else. pansypoo53219 Oct 2017 #186

Just the mention of the word is plenty for me madokie Oct 2017 #189

Yep. MontanaMama Oct 2017 #198

I went to sunday school (not Catholic) but, ... JustABozoOnThisBus Oct 2017 #193

I'm 52 years old MontanaMama Oct 2017 #199

I'm a former catholic and don't have an issue with those questions. It sounds like they are getting SweetieD Oct 2017 #201

Yup ClarendonDem Oct 2017 #204

I am certainly not anti-Christian. MontanaMama Oct 2017 #206

Thanks for your response. MontanaMama Oct 2017 #207

I don't see a problem with the assignment. Captain Stern Oct 2017 #208

On the surface I would agree. MontanaMama Oct 2017 #209

The question isnt how much religion should be discussed in public schools, J_William_Ryan Oct 2017 #213

Thank you for your MontanaMama Oct 2017 #214

It should not be discussed outside of history class LittleBlue Oct 2017 #215

This is the social in social studies of the church in midieval Europe aikoaiko Oct 2017 #224

I think an entire assignment on the church is wrong for a public school Bettie Oct 2017 #228

Discussed? Any of it. Preached? None of it. (n/t) Iggo Oct 2017 #232

I have a PhD in History. a la izquierda Oct 2017 #233

Yes they are. MontanaMama Oct 2017 #234

Learning about the churches impact within Medieval Europe is logosoco Oct 2017 #235

Sounds legit to me logosoco. MontanaMama Oct 2017 #240

Up to the point on how to spell - R E L I G I O N N/T rufus dog Oct 2017 #244

What your son witnessed is wrong. Blue_true Oct 2017 #246

I am waiting for a call back from the MontanaMama Oct 2017 #253

I don't think it should be allowed. It establishes Christianity as the National religion Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #247

History Vidal Oct 2017 #251

Doesn't seem over the line to me. Agnostic history fanatic here. Decoy of Fenris Oct 2017 #255