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emulatorloo

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236. I don't have a problem w you saying Elias paid

Fri Oct 27, 2017, 10:51 PM

Oct 2017

I just believe you are distracted or distracting from the content, because of your need to defend Gabbard. Look I am sorry if I am coming off as a jerk but I feel like Gabbard has fed into RW narratives for a long time.

You and I had lots of interactions in the Kerry group in '04.

Maybe I am misunderstanding you completely but I feel like what I am seeing is is a need to defend/protect Gabbard from criticism simply because she was a Sanders endorsee doesn't not fit w the Karynnj I knew.

To focus on Elias and "who paid" is to focus on the trees, not the forest. That's what Gabbard has done. It is indefensible. It is intellectually dishonest. It aids Trump. Now that charges are coming out of the Mueller investigation, I understand the Republican hysteria to deflect. I don't understand Tulsi's need, and I def do not understand the need of DU'ers to defend Tulsi's participating in that deflection.

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Tulsi Gabbard attacks democrats for funding Trump Oppo Research [View all] JI7 Oct 2017 OP

Color Me Surprised Me. Oct 2017 #1

This is her shtick. She's always gonna BootinUp Oct 2017 #2

I disagree with Tulsi on this one... but, that's a bit of an exaggeration, dontchathink? InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #167

No shenmue Oct 2017 #226

Okay... respect. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #229

She's a Trump supporter and an Assad lover. I can't stand her. octoberlib Oct 2017 #3

No she's not. Gore1FL Oct 2017 #21

Post removed Post removed Oct 2017 #22

Fill in Feinstein or Pelosi BainsBane Oct 2017 #94

You're trying too hard Blue_Tires Oct 2017 #118

Yes because spouting talking points from a dictator who's terrorized and murdered over a octoberlib Oct 2017 #41

I notice you quoted the statements of Republicans attacking Gabbard extensively. Old Crow Oct 2017 #47

No, I didn't quote the statements of "Republicans attacking Gabbard extensively" octoberlib Oct 2017 #67

Sorry; you're correct. My error. Old Crow Oct 2017 #71

Thank you, Old Crow! You're a person of integrity. octoberlib Oct 2017 #79

Thanks; I appreciate the nod. Old Crow Oct 2017 #81

she did meet with Assad BainsBane Oct 2017 #98

I definitely agree with you JonLP24 Oct 2017 #175

Thank you. BainsBane Oct 2017 #176

You are moving the goalposts. Gore1FL Oct 2017 #87

Disunity BainsBane Oct 2017 #120

Agree... need to stick to the facts. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #157

OK...perhaps not all are terrorists. But they pretty much all are religious extremists Ken Burch Oct 2017 #180

Yes she supports and defends Trump...has met with him in fact. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #61

A lot of people have met with Trump including Pelosi and Schumer. Gore1FL Oct 2017 #84

They are the Senate and House leaders...much different...she is bad news. I don't care who she Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #96

Here are some more Gore1FL Oct 2017 #106

How many have given Trump cover for the Steele dossier? BainsBane Oct 2017 #103

There is plenty of criticism that can be applied to Gabbard. Gore1FL Oct 2017 #107

Including Gabbard? Gore1FL Oct 2017 #126

Wrong, she is an anti-Dem, Putin-loving, Trojan horse obamanut2012 Oct 2017 #73

Do you have a link? Gore1FL Oct 2017 #80

Links BainsBane Oct 2017 #119

None of those show her to be a trump supporter or Assad lover Gore1FL Oct 2017 #124

This message was self-deleted by its author lapucelle Oct 2017 #135

This message was self-deleted by its author BainsBane Oct 2017 #137

I'm sorry; that's not what I meant at all. lapucelle Oct 2017 #138

I'm sorry BainsBane Oct 2017 #139

... lapucelle Oct 2017 #140

That shows a lotta class... hat's off to you for doin' that. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #165

She demanded Obama bomb the Syrian rebels BainsBane Oct 2017 #90

Again, Gabbard is not clear from criticism. Gore1FL Oct 2017 #102

2016 is precisely why you are defending her BainsBane Oct 2017 #110

No its not Gore1FL Oct 2017 #125

More distraction: I never called her an Assad lover BainsBane Oct 2017 #147

I never said you called her either of those things. Gore1FL Oct 2017 #150

I was clear: She is a supporter of Assad BainsBane Oct 2017 #172

I'll have to believe you. It's never been related to my fundamental argument. Gore1FL Oct 2017 #177

I'll let her TL on Twitter speak for itself Blue_Tires Oct 2017 #117

3-4 years out of date? That's weird as the attack happened less than a year ago. Gore1FL Oct 2017 #146

She is a Clinton hater. coolsandy Oct 2017 #127

Yet she still voted for her. Gore1FL Oct 2017 #206

That ship has sailed Tavarious Jackson Oct 2017 #186

I prefer it when Democrats win, myself. Gore1FL Oct 2017 #191

In my opinion Tavarious Jackson Oct 2017 #202

Take what risk? Gore1FL Oct 2017 #205

The risk of voting for someone who may or may not Tavarious Jackson Oct 2017 #207

What does any of this have to do with being civil to Democrats on DU? Gore1FL Oct 2017 #221

Facts are not name calling nt Tavarious Jackson Oct 2017 #223

"Trump supporter" and "Assad Lover" aren't facts. Gore1FL Oct 2017 #225

What the hell ! She was a big Bernie supporter. kentuck Oct 2017 #40

she's hated because she's shooting "her own party" in the face regularly Blue_Adept Oct 2017 #46

In a word: Yes. (N/T) Old Crow Oct 2017 #48

Not at all -- she is a wingnut obamanut2012 Oct 2017 #75

Ridiculous Comment. Ccarmona Oct 2017 #132

I think she is a Putnite as well. BannonsLiver Oct 2017 #45

That's what she mainly is JI7 Oct 2017 #63

Yup -- and has visited him obamanut2012 Oct 2017 #76

What're you doin'? Iggo Oct 2017 #53

Futilely trying to point out that Gabbard... Gore1FL Oct 2017 #130

Come on, get serious... I disagree with Tulsi in this particular instance, InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #168

And a paid KGB informant. At least I hope she is getting paid because she is Eliot Rosewater Oct 2019 #252

I think you can close the lid on the experiment known as the USA Eliot Rosewater Oct 2017 #4

I feel similar to youo Eliot. What I do is avoid the national news media outlets. They masquerade still_one Oct 2017 #7

Reports of the early demise of the experiment known as the USA are greatly exaggerated. Nitram Oct 2017 #18

We have an opportunity to save democracy and you say it's over? delisen Oct 2017 #43

I like this Eliot Rosewater Oct 2017 #49

I like it to. Hillary's strenght is amazing lunamagica Oct 2017 #92

Thanks. I needed this. sprinkleeninow Oct 2017 #178

The scariest thing is that people think the only threat to our democracy is Donald Trump. StevieM Oct 2017 #136

I do remember her homophobic ant-Muslum bullshit, and she dares ask why people are turned off on still_one Oct 2017 #5

Am I correct in my recollection that she has some enthusiastic fans here at DU? Or... NurseJackie Oct 2017 #6

You are correct as usual. But I dare not say more. comradebillyboy Oct 2017 #8

We can just hang around and see... BootinUp Oct 2017 #9

You have the right person. DURHAM D Oct 2017 #12

She's the one, used to bash Obama regularly on FOX. brush Oct 2017 #15

Some still appear to be quite confused. BannonsLiver Oct 2017 #44

Not so much confused as they hate Democrats, especially Clinton's and wont admit it Eliot Rosewater Oct 2017 #52

Agreed. Well said. BannonsLiver Oct 2017 #56

Confused about what the DU Terms of Service are? Old Crow Oct 2017 #54

I'd never support any Dem who bashes Obama BannonsLiver Oct 2017 #58

The TOS don't ask that you support all democratic figures; only that you refrain from bashing them. Old Crow Oct 2017 #65

I spoke to the policy with my comment BannonsLiver Oct 2017 #69

But so is Gabbard, right? Guess you've never, ever, ever ever seen her bash Obama? brush Oct 2017 #70

I'm talking about the DU Terms of Service here. Old Crow Oct 2017 #78

Are You A Mod For This Forum? Me. Oct 2017 #93

Discussing the rules and telling people what to do is against TOS also you know. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #99

Do you really consider her a loyal Democrat? brush Oct 2017 #105

As far as I know Tulsi Gabbard is not a member of Democratic Underground emulatorloo Oct 2017 #154

It does not matter who "paid for it". What matters is if it is true, Not Ruth Oct 2017 #188

Or is it the ends justify the means? Not Ruth Oct 2017 #189

Not really that. All candidates do oppo research. Bush initiated this project. Beware the spin emulatorloo Oct 2017 #194

if it violates it, it'll be dealt with Blue_Adept Oct 2017 #60

So we have to listen to Tulsi suck up to Trump? Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #64

This message was self-deleted by its author emulatorloo Oct 2017 #155

Nothing says you cannot criticize a Democrat. Gore1FL Oct 2017 #227

She Supported Sen. Sanders and some who follow him closely like her. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #95

Some apparently confuse an endorsement with a "Get Out Of Jail Free". emulatorloo Oct 2017 #170

She has a "D" next to her name. Wouldn't that be you? Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2017 #129

Nope. I always vote for the Democrat who runs against the non-Democrat, however... NurseJackie Oct 2017 #149

I want the facts on a candidate before an election. Baitball Blogger Oct 2017 #10

Nice of CNN to throw her that slow pitch softball to her Orrex Oct 2017 #11

Right from Donny's playbook. rogue emissary Oct 2017 #13

Opposition research is done by every candidate - it would almost be campaign malfeasance not to karynnj Oct 2017 #14

This was known at least a year ago during the campaign the Democratic Party took over... brush Oct 2017 #109

That was SUSPECTED - after all who could benefit? - but this week was the first actual confirmation karynnj Oct 2017 #142

Get real. The point isn't "who paid for it." The point is if it is true. emulatorloo Oct 2017 #156

I never said that who paid for it was the issue karynnj Oct 2017 #204

Uh huh. You're still participating in the RW deflection/destruction emulatorloo Oct 2017 #234

I have stated repeatedly that opposition research is completely karynnj Oct 2017 #235

I don't have a problem w you saying Elias paid emulatorloo Oct 2017 #236

I did not defend Gabbard - not even once - at any time karynnj Oct 2017 #237

Thanks karynnj. So sorry for misreading and misinterpreting you, I apologize emulatorloo Oct 2017 #238

Thanks for responding as you did karynnj Oct 2017 #239

Great analysis of DU differing reactions to 2000/2004 vs 2016 emulatorloo Oct 2017 #240

Great positive analysis karynnj Oct 2017 #242

Steele would not have just put out anything he heard anywhere. JHan Oct 2017 #181

I put it in because I wanted the list to be complete karynnj Oct 2017 #199

good points. JHan Oct 2017 #201

I agree. There also appears to be at least a colorable question about campaign finance law. Jim Lane Oct 2017 #143

Thanks karynnj Oct 2017 #145

where did you read this allegation? ( genuinely curious) JHan Oct 2017 #182

Here's a link Jim Lane Oct 2017 #184

Cleta Mitchell and von Spakovsky Advance Nutty Theory That Paying for Steele Dossier Violates Foreig Gothmog Oct 2017 #192

thanks Gothmog, that provides some context. JHan Oct 2017 #196

Hans is not a credible source Gothmog Oct 2017 #197

You're confusing two different allegations. Jim Lane Oct 2017 #209

The Dark Prince of Voter Fraud Alarmism is Joining the Trump Administration Gothmog Oct 2017 #212

I used to be disgusted; now I try to be amused. Jim Lane Oct 2017 #214

Fox News host wrong that no law forbids Russia-Trump collusion Gothmog Oct 2017 #216

BTW, your analysis is totally wrong Gothmog Oct 2017 #213

Oh. Well, that settles that, then. (n/t) Jim Lane Oct 2017 #215

Campaign Finance Law: When Collusion with a Foreign Government Becomes a Crime Gothmog Oct 2017 #217

Campaign Finance Law: When Collusion Becomes a Crime: Part II Gothmog Oct 2017 #218

When Collusion with Russia Becomes a Crime: Part IIIAiding and Abetting Gothmog Oct 2017 #219

Interesting how you selectively edited the quotation Jim Lane Oct 2017 #230

So trump can go to jail for buying his MAGA hates from China? Gothmog Oct 2017 #232

My answer is No. Jim Lane Oct 2017 #233

Your legal analysis is really wrong Gothmog Nov 2017 #243

My legal "analysis" was worded to be pretty much wrong-proof Jim Lane Nov 2017 #244

Your reliance on gop sources destroyed your attempt at analysis Gothmog Nov 2017 #245

How is the appeal of the DNC fraud lawsuit going? Gothmog Nov 2017 #246

I have no idea. Jim Lane Nov 2017 #247

Since your claims on this thread was based solely on bogus GOP sources, I figured you could help Gothmog Nov 2017 #248

Well, I got that prediction right. Jim Lane Nov 2017 #249

If the Clinton campaign did anything wrong (which it didn't) then the republicans..... George II Oct 2017 #198

Silly liberal, you forgot Eliot Rosewater Oct 2017 #222

Hah! That was good.....thanks. George II Oct 2017 #224

Under this theory, trump violated the law by buying his MAGA merchandise from overseas vendors Gothmog Oct 2017 #193

Well said. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #162

nothing wrong with the broad point that people are sick of negativity Kali Oct 2017 #16

The irony is, Trump and a number pf Republicans are on record saying political opposition Nitram Oct 2017 #17

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Post removed Post removed Oct 2017 #23

gabbard violated US law by meeting with assad Mosby Oct 2017 #24

Excuse me Smitty63nnn Oct 2017 #27

did you alert on the OP? Mosby Oct 2017 #35

Is this what this site is all about? Smitty63nnn Oct 2017 #37

Such an interesting comment...I mean I was about to say welcome to DU...but you seem almost like Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #104

lol JCinNYC Oct 2017 #148

So much OTT hyperbole! Welcome to DU, you fit right in! emulatorloo Oct 2017 #161

Apparently not...you know the rule about interfering with forum moderation? Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #101

Warning, this post may generate an infinite recursive loop. Jim Lane Oct 2017 #144

According to your own link, the House Ethics Committee had no problem with her trip. Old Crow Oct 2017 #33

the law has never been enforced Mosby Oct 2017 #34

I agree with you there. Old Crow Oct 2017 #36

Bingo Smitty63nnn Oct 2017 #38

Re "She will probably be primaried" -- it will be like 2016. Jim Lane Oct 2017 #55

She is awful and hopefully will be gone in a primary. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #66

Do you think people should contribute to her primary opponent? Jim Lane Oct 2017 #74

Are you referring to more Harvard-Harris polls like the one that is posted here daily? sheshe2 Oct 2017 #134

If you take the trouble to click on the link I gave, you'll see what I'm referring to Jim Lane Oct 2017 #141

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ still_one Oct 2017 #122

Stick around Plucketeer Oct 2017 #32

That rule applies when it's convenient Plucketeer Oct 2017 #29

Spot on. You've summed up the situation here perfectly. (N/T) Old Crow Oct 2017 #39

Senator Sanders has nothing to do with Senator Gabbard's statements tonight emulatorloo Oct 2017 #164

That excuse is getting tiresome. Bernie has nothing to do with Gabbard's obsfucation tonight. emulatorloo Oct 2017 #163

Of course it is melman Oct 2017 #30

Lol emulatorloo Oct 2017 #166

Tell me how it's not melman Oct 2017 #169

Bernie doesn't have a damn thing to do with Senator Gabbard's dumb statement on CNN emulatorloo Oct 2017 #171

I don't know what you're talking about melman Oct 2017 #173

Oh I just saw a reference to orig thread title (edited) emulatorloo Oct 2017 #174

She is like joe lieberman and an ally of assad JI7 Oct 2017 #42

I agree, and add that "asshole" also violates the rule about civility Jim Lane Oct 2017 #50

Post removed Post removed Oct 2017 #57

Do you realize what you just did here? George II Oct 2017 #83

Turn about is fair play. You bash Dems, you get might bashed. brush Oct 2017 #72

The "funding" issue is a red herring. 1) The CONTENT matters. 2) Both sides funded. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2017 #20

Tulsi was a Sanders supporter jmowreader Oct 2017 #25

And why are you surprised when she acts like all the other politician-assholes? waltben Oct 2017 #26

And why are you conflating Democrats and Republicans? They are light years apart. n/t pnwmom Oct 2017 #241

The GOP's favorite Democrat IronLionZion Oct 2017 #28

She is under an illusion that the GOP is a worthy opponent. The_Casual_Observer Oct 2017 #31

You could phrase this more artfully, so as not to be misunderstood. ps I don't like her either. Hekate Oct 2017 #51

She is of the right..never could understand why the left liked this person. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #59

Of course she did tenderfoot Oct 2017 #62

I despise her even more than the GOP. Tarheel_Dem Oct 2017 #68

It is amazing how many have broken the TOS Smitty63nnn Oct 2017 #77

so many people suddenly calling out TOS violations... Blue_Adept Oct 2017 #82

Hmmmmmm Smitty63nnn Oct 2017 #85

When I originally posted what? Blue_Adept Oct 2017 #86

My fault Smitty63nnn Oct 2017 #89

Isn't she always attacking Democrats for something? leftofcool Oct 2017 #88

Not that I am aware. Gore1FL Oct 2017 #91

No. What makes her unliked are her frequent, past bashings of Obama on FOX. brush Oct 2017 #111

And therefore she deserves to be accused of falsehoods on DU? Gore1FL Oct 2017 #123

Falsehoods? Isn't it true she just blasted Dems for paying for oppo research? brush Oct 2017 #158

She has slurred President Obama for not using "muslim extremism" in the past. BannonsLiver Oct 2017 #112

No one is. Ive said as much. Gore1FL Oct 2017 #128

Who doesn't? InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #159

Never understood that... it's self-defeating. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #160

This message was self-deleted by its author oasis Oct 2017 #97

Tired of DEMS attacking DEMS instead of attacking Donald & GOP. Madam45for2923 Oct 2017 #100

Isn't that what Gabbard just did? She's done that several times on FOX to Obama also. brush Oct 2017 #113

Yep, that is what I meant. Madam45for2923 Oct 2017 #133

P-R-I-M-A-R-Y!!! oasis Oct 2017 #108

Hey, Tulsi's on TV pissing on Dems again! Blue_Tires Oct 2017 #114

I lol'd JHan Oct 2017 #151

Who??? maxrandb Oct 2017 #115

This is an example of what's wrong with Tulsi Gabbard & why I don't much like her Hekate Oct 2017 #116

I can't wait until she cashes in all of her chips for a higher office. SaschaHM Oct 2017 #121

Shes My MOC Ccarmona Oct 2017 #131

She sure "spoke her mind" when she slurred President Obama over the use of the term "radical islam". BannonsLiver Oct 2017 #200

You're kidding right. She bashes dems regularly on and has more repug supporters than Democratic. brush Oct 2019 #254

lol. JHan Oct 2017 #152

She needs to be primaried. RandySF Oct 2017 #153

It's called Opposition research for a reason krawhitham Oct 2017 #179

yup, and it's been in existence since Cicero. JHan Oct 2017 #183

I firmly believe she is a Putin Plant nt Tavarious Jackson Oct 2017 #185

+1 uponit7771 Oct 2017 #187

Um... oppo research been part of elections since they were invented. (nt) ehrnst Oct 2017 #190

GOP'ers will spin this as "HILLARY COLLUDED WITH THE RUSSIANS" as some of Steele's sources were emulatorloo Oct 2017 #195

Does Gabbard actually comprehend? Understand? Does she have discernment? Lint Head Oct 2017 #203

for the record Mosby Oct 2017 #208

Bummer kcr Oct 2017 #210

no, I did just fine yesterday at my minimum wage job Mosby Oct 2017 #211

Is there a link to this? kentuck Oct 2017 #220

She needs a true blue JustAnotherGen Oct 2017 #228

Why is it I thought we already knew the Democrats funded doc03 Oct 2017 #231

Actually Gabbard's gaslighting attacks on Hillary Cha Oct 2019 #250

Its time to get her off the stage..... Historic NY Oct 2019 #251

KGB ! stonecutter357 Oct 2019 #253

What did they do to fund oppo research? Miguelito Loveless Oct 2019 #255