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karynnj

(60,949 posts)
242. Great positive analysis
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 01:04 PM
Oct 2017

I agree both that the goals of HRC and Sanders were similar, but their prescriptions on how to get there differed, though not as much as it seemed in the primaries. I suspect this is always the case. Remember that the BIG argument on healthcare in 2008 was whether to use a mandate or not? Obama argued that it would doom any effort - quoting Ted Kennedy. Then, when many businesses, activists, and insurance companies jointly supported it, things changed on a dime and President Obama supported it. The truth in 2008 was that EVERY possible Democrat would have supported whatever could pass Congress, with the Senate being the highest bar to get a bill done.

I think Trump being President unites us. His actions make our values clear.

We want affordable health insurance - Many Republicans do not think that a government responsibility.

They see tax cuts on businesses and the wealthy as the way to stimulate the economy. We agree with most economists who say that giving the wealthy a tax cut is among the WORST ways to stimulate the economy, where giving additional money to those on the bottom - who will immediately spend it - is not just fairer, but the best way to stimulate the economy.

We see that climate change is real and that we win if we work hard on the new market for clean energy and more efficient products. As Kerry pointed out in 2004, that even if we are wrong, we get cleaner air, cleaner water - thus better health, and a stronger economy. (we already have the ability to get all our fossil fuels from the US and Canada - so the 2004 point of less dependance on the middle east is no longer there.) They are willing not just to fight the world's trend and dispute the action science calls for, they are just trying to pander to their base and people with the last name Koch.

The one - very strange poll - that might be the most relevant was the one that showed more than 50% of the people polled would prefer Obama was still President rather than Trump. This sounds like arguing to return to 2016 AND to push for a strong package of infrastructure and job creation programs targeted to areas of the rust belt and other places that are failing.

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Color Me Surprised Me. Oct 2017 #1
This is her shtick. She's always gonna BootinUp Oct 2017 #2
I disagree with Tulsi on this one... but, that's a bit of an exaggeration, dontchathink? InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #167
No shenmue Oct 2017 #226
Okay... respect. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #229
She's a Trump supporter and an Assad lover. I can't stand her. octoberlib Oct 2017 #3
No she's not. Gore1FL Oct 2017 #21
Post removed Post removed Oct 2017 #22
Fill in Feinstein or Pelosi BainsBane Oct 2017 #94
You're trying too hard Blue_Tires Oct 2017 #118
Yes because spouting talking points from a dictator who's terrorized and murdered over a octoberlib Oct 2017 #41
I notice you quoted the statements of Republicans attacking Gabbard extensively. Old Crow Oct 2017 #47
No, I didn't quote the statements of "Republicans attacking Gabbard extensively" octoberlib Oct 2017 #67
Sorry; you're correct. My error. Old Crow Oct 2017 #71
Thank you, Old Crow! You're a person of integrity. octoberlib Oct 2017 #79
Thanks; I appreciate the nod. Old Crow Oct 2017 #81
she did meet with Assad BainsBane Oct 2017 #98
I definitely agree with you JonLP24 Oct 2017 #175
Thank you. BainsBane Oct 2017 #176
You are moving the goalposts. Gore1FL Oct 2017 #87
Disunity BainsBane Oct 2017 #120
Agree... need to stick to the facts. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #157
OK...perhaps not all are terrorists. But they pretty much all are religious extremists Ken Burch Oct 2017 #180
Yes she supports and defends Trump...has met with him in fact. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #61
A lot of people have met with Trump including Pelosi and Schumer. Gore1FL Oct 2017 #84
They are the Senate and House leaders...much different...she is bad news. I don't care who she Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #96
Here are some more Gore1FL Oct 2017 #106
How many have given Trump cover for the Steele dossier? BainsBane Oct 2017 #103
There is plenty of criticism that can be applied to Gabbard. Gore1FL Oct 2017 #107
Including Gabbard? Gore1FL Oct 2017 #126
Wrong, she is an anti-Dem, Putin-loving, Trojan horse obamanut2012 Oct 2017 #73
Do you have a link? Gore1FL Oct 2017 #80
Links BainsBane Oct 2017 #119
None of those show her to be a trump supporter or Assad lover Gore1FL Oct 2017 #124
This message was self-deleted by its author lapucelle Oct 2017 #135
This message was self-deleted by its author BainsBane Oct 2017 #137
I'm sorry; that's not what I meant at all. lapucelle Oct 2017 #138
I'm sorry BainsBane Oct 2017 #139
... lapucelle Oct 2017 #140
That shows a lotta class... hat's off to you for doin' that. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #165
She demanded Obama bomb the Syrian rebels BainsBane Oct 2017 #90
Again, Gabbard is not clear from criticism. Gore1FL Oct 2017 #102
2016 is precisely why you are defending her BainsBane Oct 2017 #110
No its not Gore1FL Oct 2017 #125
More distraction: I never called her an Assad lover BainsBane Oct 2017 #147
I never said you called her either of those things. Gore1FL Oct 2017 #150
I was clear: She is a supporter of Assad BainsBane Oct 2017 #172
I'll have to believe you. It's never been related to my fundamental argument. Gore1FL Oct 2017 #177
I'll let her TL on Twitter speak for itself Blue_Tires Oct 2017 #117
3-4 years out of date? That's weird as the attack happened less than a year ago. Gore1FL Oct 2017 #146
She is a Clinton hater. coolsandy Oct 2017 #127
Yet she still voted for her. Gore1FL Oct 2017 #206
That ship has sailed Tavarious Jackson Oct 2017 #186
I prefer it when Democrats win, myself. Gore1FL Oct 2017 #191
In my opinion Tavarious Jackson Oct 2017 #202
Take what risk? Gore1FL Oct 2017 #205
The risk of voting for someone who may or may not Tavarious Jackson Oct 2017 #207
What does any of this have to do with being civil to Democrats on DU? Gore1FL Oct 2017 #221
Facts are not name calling nt Tavarious Jackson Oct 2017 #223
"Trump supporter" and "Assad Lover" aren't facts. Gore1FL Oct 2017 #225
What the hell ! She was a big Bernie supporter. kentuck Oct 2017 #40
she's hated because she's shooting "her own party" in the face regularly Blue_Adept Oct 2017 #46
In a word: Yes. (N/T) Old Crow Oct 2017 #48
Not at all -- she is a wingnut obamanut2012 Oct 2017 #75
Ridiculous Comment. Ccarmona Oct 2017 #132
I think she is a Putnite as well. BannonsLiver Oct 2017 #45
That's what she mainly is JI7 Oct 2017 #63
Yup -- and has visited him obamanut2012 Oct 2017 #76
What're you doin'? Iggo Oct 2017 #53
Futilely trying to point out that Gabbard... Gore1FL Oct 2017 #130
Come on, get serious... I disagree with Tulsi in this particular instance, InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #168
And a paid KGB informant. At least I hope she is getting paid because she is Eliot Rosewater Oct 2019 #252
I think you can close the lid on the experiment known as the USA Eliot Rosewater Oct 2017 #4
I feel similar to youo Eliot. What I do is avoid the national news media outlets. They masquerade still_one Oct 2017 #7
Reports of the early demise of the experiment known as the USA are greatly exaggerated. Nitram Oct 2017 #18
We have an opportunity to save democracy and you say it's over? delisen Oct 2017 #43
I like this Eliot Rosewater Oct 2017 #49
I like it to. Hillary's strenght is amazing lunamagica Oct 2017 #92
Thanks. I needed this. sprinkleeninow Oct 2017 #178
The scariest thing is that people think the only threat to our democracy is Donald Trump. StevieM Oct 2017 #136
I do remember her homophobic ant-Muslum bullshit, and she dares ask why people are turned off on still_one Oct 2017 #5
Am I correct in my recollection that she has some enthusiastic fans here at DU? Or... NurseJackie Oct 2017 #6
You are correct as usual. But I dare not say more. comradebillyboy Oct 2017 #8
We can just hang around and see... BootinUp Oct 2017 #9
You have the right person. DURHAM D Oct 2017 #12
She's the one, used to bash Obama regularly on FOX. brush Oct 2017 #15
Some still appear to be quite confused. BannonsLiver Oct 2017 #44
Not so much confused as they hate Democrats, especially Clinton's and wont admit it Eliot Rosewater Oct 2017 #52
Agreed. Well said. BannonsLiver Oct 2017 #56
Confused about what the DU Terms of Service are? Old Crow Oct 2017 #54
I'd never support any Dem who bashes Obama BannonsLiver Oct 2017 #58
The TOS don't ask that you support all democratic figures; only that you refrain from bashing them. Old Crow Oct 2017 #65
I spoke to the policy with my comment BannonsLiver Oct 2017 #69
But so is Gabbard, right? Guess you've never, ever, ever ever seen her bash Obama? brush Oct 2017 #70
I'm talking about the DU Terms of Service here. Old Crow Oct 2017 #78
Are You A Mod For This Forum? Me. Oct 2017 #93
Discussing the rules and telling people what to do is against TOS also you know. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #99
Do you really consider her a loyal Democrat? brush Oct 2017 #105
As far as I know Tulsi Gabbard is not a member of Democratic Underground emulatorloo Oct 2017 #154
It does not matter who "paid for it". What matters is if it is true, Not Ruth Oct 2017 #188
Or is it the ends justify the means? Not Ruth Oct 2017 #189
Not really that. All candidates do oppo research. Bush initiated this project. Beware the spin emulatorloo Oct 2017 #194
if it violates it, it'll be dealt with Blue_Adept Oct 2017 #60
So we have to listen to Tulsi suck up to Trump? Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #64
This message was self-deleted by its author emulatorloo Oct 2017 #155
Nothing says you cannot criticize a Democrat. Gore1FL Oct 2017 #227
She Supported Sen. Sanders and some who follow him closely like her. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #95
Some apparently confuse an endorsement with a "Get Out Of Jail Free". emulatorloo Oct 2017 #170
She has a "D" next to her name. Wouldn't that be you? Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2017 #129
Nope. I always vote for the Democrat who runs against the non-Democrat, however... NurseJackie Oct 2017 #149
I want the facts on a candidate before an election. Baitball Blogger Oct 2017 #10
Nice of CNN to throw her that slow pitch softball to her Orrex Oct 2017 #11
Right from Donny's playbook. rogue emissary Oct 2017 #13
Opposition research is done by every candidate - it would almost be campaign malfeasance not to karynnj Oct 2017 #14
This was known at least a year ago during the campaign the Democratic Party took over... brush Oct 2017 #109
That was SUSPECTED - after all who could benefit? - but this week was the first actual confirmation karynnj Oct 2017 #142
Get real. The point isn't "who paid for it." The point is if it is true. emulatorloo Oct 2017 #156
I never said that who paid for it was the issue karynnj Oct 2017 #204
Uh huh. You're still participating in the RW deflection/destruction emulatorloo Oct 2017 #234
I have stated repeatedly that opposition research is completely karynnj Oct 2017 #235
I don't have a problem w you saying Elias paid emulatorloo Oct 2017 #236
I did not defend Gabbard - not even once - at any time karynnj Oct 2017 #237
Thanks karynnj. So sorry for misreading and misinterpreting you, I apologize emulatorloo Oct 2017 #238
Thanks for responding as you did karynnj Oct 2017 #239
Great analysis of DU differing reactions to 2000/2004 vs 2016 emulatorloo Oct 2017 #240
Great positive analysis karynnj Oct 2017 #242
Steele would not have just put out anything he heard anywhere. JHan Oct 2017 #181
I put it in because I wanted the list to be complete karynnj Oct 2017 #199
good points. JHan Oct 2017 #201
I agree. There also appears to be at least a colorable question about campaign finance law. Jim Lane Oct 2017 #143
Thanks karynnj Oct 2017 #145
where did you read this allegation? ( genuinely curious) JHan Oct 2017 #182
Here's a link Jim Lane Oct 2017 #184
Cleta Mitchell and von Spakovsky Advance Nutty Theory That Paying for Steele Dossier Violates Foreig Gothmog Oct 2017 #192
thanks Gothmog, that provides some context. JHan Oct 2017 #196
Hans is not a credible source Gothmog Oct 2017 #197
You're confusing two different allegations. Jim Lane Oct 2017 #209
The Dark Prince of Voter Fraud Alarmism is Joining the Trump Administration Gothmog Oct 2017 #212
I used to be disgusted; now I try to be amused. Jim Lane Oct 2017 #214
Fox News host wrong that no law forbids Russia-Trump collusion Gothmog Oct 2017 #216
BTW, your analysis is totally wrong Gothmog Oct 2017 #213
Oh. Well, that settles that, then. (n/t) Jim Lane Oct 2017 #215
Campaign Finance Law: When Collusion with a Foreign Government Becomes a Crime Gothmog Oct 2017 #217
Campaign Finance Law: When Collusion Becomes a Crime: Part II Gothmog Oct 2017 #218
When Collusion with Russia Becomes a Crime: Part IIIAiding and Abetting Gothmog Oct 2017 #219
Interesting how you selectively edited the quotation Jim Lane Oct 2017 #230
So trump can go to jail for buying his MAGA hates from China? Gothmog Oct 2017 #232
My answer is No. Jim Lane Oct 2017 #233
Your legal analysis is really wrong Gothmog Nov 2017 #243
My legal "analysis" was worded to be pretty much wrong-proof Jim Lane Nov 2017 #244
Your reliance on gop sources destroyed your attempt at analysis Gothmog Nov 2017 #245
How is the appeal of the DNC fraud lawsuit going? Gothmog Nov 2017 #246
I have no idea. Jim Lane Nov 2017 #247
Since your claims on this thread was based solely on bogus GOP sources, I figured you could help Gothmog Nov 2017 #248
Well, I got that prediction right. Jim Lane Nov 2017 #249
If the Clinton campaign did anything wrong (which it didn't) then the republicans..... George II Oct 2017 #198
Silly liberal, you forgot Eliot Rosewater Oct 2017 #222
Hah! That was good.....thanks. George II Oct 2017 #224
Under this theory, trump violated the law by buying his MAGA merchandise from overseas vendors Gothmog Oct 2017 #193
Well said. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #162
nothing wrong with the broad point that people are sick of negativity Kali Oct 2017 #16
The irony is, Trump and a number pf Republicans are on record saying political opposition Nitram Oct 2017 #17
Post removed Post removed Oct 2017 #19
Post removed Post removed Oct 2017 #23
gabbard violated US law by meeting with assad Mosby Oct 2017 #24
Excuse me Smitty63nnn Oct 2017 #27
did you alert on the OP? Mosby Oct 2017 #35
Is this what this site is all about? Smitty63nnn Oct 2017 #37
Such an interesting comment...I mean I was about to say welcome to DU...but you seem almost like Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #104
lol JCinNYC Oct 2017 #148
So much OTT hyperbole! Welcome to DU, you fit right in! emulatorloo Oct 2017 #161
Apparently not...you know the rule about interfering with forum moderation? Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #101
Warning, this post may generate an infinite recursive loop. Jim Lane Oct 2017 #144
According to your own link, the House Ethics Committee had no problem with her trip. Old Crow Oct 2017 #33
the law has never been enforced Mosby Oct 2017 #34
I agree with you there. Old Crow Oct 2017 #36
Bingo Smitty63nnn Oct 2017 #38
Re "She will probably be primaried" -- it will be like 2016. Jim Lane Oct 2017 #55
She is awful and hopefully will be gone in a primary. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #66
Do you think people should contribute to her primary opponent? Jim Lane Oct 2017 #74
Are you referring to more Harvard-Harris polls like the one that is posted here daily? sheshe2 Oct 2017 #134
If you take the trouble to click on the link I gave, you'll see what I'm referring to Jim Lane Oct 2017 #141
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ still_one Oct 2017 #122
Stick around Plucketeer Oct 2017 #32
That rule applies when it's convenient Plucketeer Oct 2017 #29
Spot on. You've summed up the situation here perfectly. (N/T) Old Crow Oct 2017 #39
Senator Sanders has nothing to do with Senator Gabbard's statements tonight emulatorloo Oct 2017 #164
That excuse is getting tiresome. Bernie has nothing to do with Gabbard's obsfucation tonight. emulatorloo Oct 2017 #163
Of course it is melman Oct 2017 #30
Lol emulatorloo Oct 2017 #166
Tell me how it's not melman Oct 2017 #169
Bernie doesn't have a damn thing to do with Senator Gabbard's dumb statement on CNN emulatorloo Oct 2017 #171
I don't know what you're talking about melman Oct 2017 #173
Oh I just saw a reference to orig thread title (edited) emulatorloo Oct 2017 #174
She is like joe lieberman and an ally of assad JI7 Oct 2017 #42
I agree, and add that "asshole" also violates the rule about civility Jim Lane Oct 2017 #50
Post removed Post removed Oct 2017 #57
Do you realize what you just did here? George II Oct 2017 #83
Turn about is fair play. You bash Dems, you get might bashed. brush Oct 2017 #72
The "funding" issue is a red herring. 1) The CONTENT matters. 2) Both sides funded. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2017 #20
Tulsi was a Sanders supporter jmowreader Oct 2017 #25
And why are you surprised when she acts like all the other politician-assholes? waltben Oct 2017 #26
And why are you conflating Democrats and Republicans? They are light years apart. n/t pnwmom Oct 2017 #241
The GOP's favorite Democrat IronLionZion Oct 2017 #28
She is under an illusion that the GOP is a worthy opponent. The_Casual_Observer Oct 2017 #31
You could phrase this more artfully, so as not to be misunderstood. ps I don't like her either. Hekate Oct 2017 #51
She is of the right..never could understand why the left liked this person. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #59
Of course she did tenderfoot Oct 2017 #62
I despise her even more than the GOP. Tarheel_Dem Oct 2017 #68
It is amazing how many have broken the TOS Smitty63nnn Oct 2017 #77
so many people suddenly calling out TOS violations... Blue_Adept Oct 2017 #82
Hmmmmmm Smitty63nnn Oct 2017 #85
When I originally posted what? Blue_Adept Oct 2017 #86
My fault Smitty63nnn Oct 2017 #89
Isn't she always attacking Democrats for something? leftofcool Oct 2017 #88
Not that I am aware. Gore1FL Oct 2017 #91
No. What makes her unliked are her frequent, past bashings of Obama on FOX. brush Oct 2017 #111
And therefore she deserves to be accused of falsehoods on DU? Gore1FL Oct 2017 #123
Falsehoods? Isn't it true she just blasted Dems for paying for oppo research? brush Oct 2017 #158
She has slurred President Obama for not using "muslim extremism" in the past. BannonsLiver Oct 2017 #112
No one is. Ive said as much. Gore1FL Oct 2017 #128
Who doesn't? InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #159
Never understood that... it's self-defeating. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #160
This message was self-deleted by its author oasis Oct 2017 #97
Tired of DEMS attacking DEMS instead of attacking Donald & GOP. Madam45for2923 Oct 2017 #100
Isn't that what Gabbard just did? She's done that several times on FOX to Obama also. brush Oct 2017 #113
Yep, that is what I meant. Madam45for2923 Oct 2017 #133
P-R-I-M-A-R-Y!!! oasis Oct 2017 #108
Hey, Tulsi's on TV pissing on Dems again! Blue_Tires Oct 2017 #114
I lol'd JHan Oct 2017 #151
Who??? maxrandb Oct 2017 #115
This is an example of what's wrong with Tulsi Gabbard & why I don't much like her Hekate Oct 2017 #116
I can't wait until she cashes in all of her chips for a higher office. SaschaHM Oct 2017 #121
Shes My MOC Ccarmona Oct 2017 #131
She sure "spoke her mind" when she slurred President Obama over the use of the term "radical islam". BannonsLiver Oct 2017 #200
You're kidding right. She bashes dems regularly on and has more repug supporters than Democratic. brush Oct 2019 #254
lol. JHan Oct 2017 #152
She needs to be primaried. RandySF Oct 2017 #153
It's called Opposition research for a reason krawhitham Oct 2017 #179
yup, and it's been in existence since Cicero. JHan Oct 2017 #183
I firmly believe she is a Putin Plant nt Tavarious Jackson Oct 2017 #185
+1 uponit7771 Oct 2017 #187
Um... oppo research been part of elections since they were invented. (nt) ehrnst Oct 2017 #190
GOP'ers will spin this as "HILLARY COLLUDED WITH THE RUSSIANS" as some of Steele's sources were emulatorloo Oct 2017 #195
Does Gabbard actually comprehend? Understand? Does she have discernment? Lint Head Oct 2017 #203
for the record Mosby Oct 2017 #208
Bummer kcr Oct 2017 #210
no, I did just fine yesterday at my minimum wage job Mosby Oct 2017 #211
Is there a link to this? kentuck Oct 2017 #220
She needs a true blue JustAnotherGen Oct 2017 #228
Why is it I thought we already knew the Democrats funded doc03 Oct 2017 #231
Actually Gabbard's gaslighting attacks on Hillary Cha Oct 2019 #250
Its time to get her off the stage..... Historic NY Oct 2019 #251
KGB ! stonecutter357 Oct 2019 #253
What did they do to fund oppo research? Miguelito Loveless Oct 2019 #255
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