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Ken Burch

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248. That is simply one way of interpreting it.

Sun Oct 29, 2017, 04:20 PM

Oct 2017

The poll that link cited can also be taken as a sign the MOST of the party wants a more progressive direction-they don't want any of the antiracist/antioppression commitment abandoned-Sanders supporters were and are just as antiracist and antioppression as HRC supporters-but with a commitment to some form of economic democracy and a rollback of corporate control over politics and life as PART of where we go from here.

My last paragraph was about finding a more inclusive direction-a direction that includes the Democratic base-most of whom agree with Bernie on economic issues, objecting to him on other grounds-as well as the people who have stayed loyal to Bernie personally and are looking for some future way to stay involved and keep working for the issues they champion. We need both. My objective has been to try to bring both groups, to get those groups talking and listening to each other on a respectful level- and is not tied to any candidate.

I agree with you that Bernie shouldn't run again. A lot of his 2016 supporters do, btw.

And frankly, I don't think the guy WANTS to run-my interpretation is that he's trying to keep his supporters together on some kind of organizational level-I assume you wouldn't have an issue with that.

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As Tensions Simmer, Poll Shows Majority of Democrats Want Bold Leftward Shift [View all] guillaumeb Oct 2017 OP

Oh you're a brave one. Thanks for posting... Purveyor Oct 2017 #1

An opinion piece. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #2

I'm not disagreeing but 1 hide from death so "just saying"... eom Purveyor Oct 2017 #12

Yeah, those "fact checkers" and "statistics freaks" are brutal ehrnst Oct 2017 #135

My thanks for posting also. I had planned to post something like this; but, ya beat me to it!!! LongTomH Oct 2017 #157

Thank you. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #158

The response to Bernie in the primary certainly proved this. jalan48 Oct 2017 #3

I agree. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #4

The winner of the popular vote should be the President. It's a no brainer. jalan48 Oct 2017 #5

Agreed. n/t Different Drummer Oct 2017 #20

Except for that out of date US constitution, negotiated to Alice11111 Oct 2017 #126

I hope they can do something about this as well. jalan48 Oct 2017 #130

Yep - Hillary was robbed. (nt) ehrnst Oct 2017 #136

Kerry and Gore as well. jalan48 Oct 2017 #137

Are you aware how his campaign acquired those ppl at the big rallys? Wwcd Oct 2017 #8

Those people weren't "acquired". They showed up because the message inspired them. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #14

Well put. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #17

Wrong. Wwcd Oct 2017 #24

Excuse me, but you can't just say "wrong". Ken Burch Oct 2017 #40

Exactly...and this is what pisses me off so much Yates Amatitio Oct 2017 #44

+++++++++++ HAB911 Oct 2017 #89

Perhaps this meme is a variant of the "Soros is funding protesters" guillaumeb Oct 2017 #111

Anyone Can Give Their Opinion Or Analysis Me. Oct 2017 #241

I've never expected my own OPs to be taken as infallible. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #243

Here's The Thing Me. Oct 2017 #244

He did do filings with the FEC, right? Ken Burch Oct 2017 #245

You KNow As Well As Anyone Me. Oct 2017 #247

That is simply one way of interpreting it. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #248

I Rest My Case Me. Oct 2017 #249

OK. She said that. I don't agree with what she said. And I don't think you can assume Ken Burch Oct 2017 #250

Here's The Problem Me. Oct 2017 #251

Which would be a valid point if there were any disagreements on those issues among progressives. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #252

Of Course There Is A Difference Me. Oct 2017 #253

It is difficult to draw any valid conclusions from this particular poll lapucelle Oct 2017 #255

+1000 (nt) ehrnst Oct 2017 #92

Bernie's campaign was not a plot to sabotage Hillary Ken Burch Oct 2017 #127

You have made a few unsupported assertions. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #159

+1 lunamagica Oct 2017 #163

Thank you.. whathehell Oct 2017 #102

What message? Wwcd Oct 2017 #105

He didn't buy votes. Nobody bought votes for him. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #122

Who said he "bought votes?" ehrnst Oct 2017 #139

And Wellstone would have won... GulfCoast66 Oct 2017 #164

I agree with you. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #165

I politely disagree. GulfCoast66 Oct 2017 #166

When you respond tomorrow or whenver, could you clarify which point in that post Ken Burch Oct 2017 #171

many at the rallies we not registered to vote wasupaloopa Oct 2017 #71

They did vote in the primary. Scruffy1 Oct 2017 #222

You are correct. His loss by 4 million votes was a statement. VermontKevin Oct 2017 #112

NUMBERS ARE MEANINGLESS The Polack MSgt Oct 2017 #117

I hate when I bring facts into arguments. Makes for a nasty time. VermontKevin Oct 2017 #118

Money.💰💸 Dems can't fight nukes with bb guns. Alice11111 Oct 2017 #128

Of course enthusiasm counts more than numbers. ehrnst Oct 2017 #133

The votes that he won was also a statement. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #160

It is just not true...Sen. Sanders was not the candidate...and that poll is BS-looked at it a Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #174

Then why didn't he win the nomination? treestar Oct 2017 #181

Not happening. The far left lost badly in 2016. liquid diamond Oct 2017 #6

Thus explaining Sanders continued popularity? guillaumeb Oct 2017 #7

Poles are irrelevant. liquid diamond Oct 2017 #9

Voices of thousands also made it clear in the case of the recent Wwcd Oct 2017 #11

Spot on. liquid diamond Oct 2017 #18

Your impression of the Harvard-Harris poll is incorrect. Jim Lane Oct 2017 #29

So again, where did they poll? A Facebook poll? Yahoo? Wwcd Oct 2017 #34

It's obviously not "an internet poll" in the sense the detractors mean Jim Lane Oct 2017 #56

Mark Penn. Propaganda & Republican Ties delisen Oct 2017 #91

Harris Poll owned by Mark Penn. delisen Oct 2017 #108

Just STOP it with your "facts" and "research." ehrnst Oct 2017 #138

The Harris Poll conducts the survey using The Harris Panel lapucelle Oct 2017 #231

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2017 #260

Other questions to the same respondents yielded these results. lapucelle Oct 2017 #217

Something screwy about the page numbering Jim Lane Oct 2017 #218

There seems to be problems with the design of this particular poll lapucelle Oct 2017 #220

An interesting observation is that every issue and candidate in the 2016 election that Sanders still_one Oct 2017 #64

Your statement is false Jim Lane Oct 2017 #75

There was more than just four where he personnally participated. RussFeingold, Zephyr Teachout, still_one Oct 2017 #86

Thank you, for this honest & well stated post Wwcd Oct 2017 #87

Damn straight. (nt) ehrnst Oct 2017 #140

Goalpost move duly noted Jim Lane Oct 2017 #219

Other perspectives ehrnst Oct 2017 #141

That's not exactly an "other" perspective than mine Jim Lane Oct 2017 #227

I guess you see victories when you need them. ehrnst Oct 2017 #232

Very clever innuendo Jim Lane Oct 2017 #233

Yes, I've read your name in the news. ehrnst Oct 2017 #238

I would be careful about relying on data lapucelle Oct 2017 #221

I would be careful about missing the forest for the trees. Jim Lane Oct 2017 #223

Yes, lapucelle Oct 2017 #224

Do you believe that there are significant differences of opinion among Democrats? (n/t) Jim Lane Oct 2017 #225

I think that poll data as an accurate measure of public opinion lapucelle Oct 2017 #229

Your failure to answer my question is very revealing. Thank you. (n/t) Jim Lane Oct 2017 #234

Refusal to indulge entitled non sequitur is not "failure". It's choice. lapucelle Oct 2017 #235

You are a gem, lapucelle! R B Garr Oct 2017 #236

... lapucelle Oct 2017 #237

### NurseJackie Oct 2017 #239

The issue was the messenger. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #15

Which is precisely why the claim of Sander's popularity among all others is a myth. Wwcd Oct 2017 #30

I don't know. Look, most Sanders supporters admired Paul Wellstone. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #42

So Progressives should not speak of the man that epitomizes the Progressive Party??? Wwcd Oct 2017 #100

Of course Wellstone should be spoken of. But he wouldn't want to be subject to a cult. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #124

Again - who said that Sanders' campaign was financed from an illegitimate source ehrnst Oct 2017 #144

The poster I was trying to respond to(Not YOU) talked about this mysterious "dump" of money. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #161

"why are you acting as if it's suspect that Bernie was drawing those crowds? " ehrnst Oct 2017 #173

Yep... just like that. NurseJackie Oct 2017 #179

It WAS a response to someone else. I initially responded to you by accident. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #187

This post was a response to me ehrnst Oct 2017 #190

No. it was honestly meant to be a response to another poster-to post #100, to be precise. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #191

As I said, it was meant to be a reponse to Wwcd. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #213

NO. It was intended as a response to an entirely different person Ken Burch Oct 2017 #214

Paul Wellstone. ehrnst Oct 2017 #142

And I absolutely wasn't excluding them. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #162

Senator Wellstone opossed Sanders on Sierra Blanca. In this instance, Sen Wellston showed he was the lunamagica Oct 2017 #167

Paul Wellstone was great. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #170

Thank you. ehrnst Oct 2017 #143

That was a great post. Thanks very much! NurseJackie Oct 2017 #188

Of course they are! Unless they are United States citizens they can't vote in the U.S. retread Oct 2017 #85

You're referring to Clinton's winning the popular vote by millions? LanternWaste Oct 2017 #125

of course the Poles are irrelevant treestar Oct 2017 #183

When Harvard-Harris is the only proof shown, there's room for question. Wwcd Oct 2017 #10

He lost to one of the most hated democrats in history...by 4 million votes. liquid diamond Oct 2017 #66

an unknown senator from a small state shanny Oct 2017 #72

Weird, but that same thing happened to Trump! Wwcd Oct 2017 #103

Hmmm. Amazing and very interesting... lunamagica Oct 2017 #168

+1000 (nt) ehrnst Oct 2017 #94

The track record of those he endorses isn't good. ehrnst Oct 2017 #93

No so much with Democrats in my opinion...but sure the some GOP like him but would not vote for him Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #175

A majority of Democrats treestar Oct 2017 #182

The headline refers to policy, not candidate. eom guillaumeb Oct 2017 #195

People vote for the candidate with the policy they want treestar Oct 2017 #197

huh? the far left? who the hell is that? Yates Amatitio Oct 2017 #48

Welcome to DU, and I agree. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #110

And Sanders isn't even a "left" social democrat...... socialist_n_TN Oct 2017 #115

But there is one huge difference between the 2. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #146

Well that's a first. (nt) ehrnst Oct 2017 #147

Agreed. There is NO politician in the US........ socialist_n_TN Oct 2017 #116

WTF!? ProudLib72 Oct 2017 #13

I posted the piece. I did not write the piece. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #16

Sorry for the confusion. I wasn't referring to your posts ProudLib72 Oct 2017 #21

I took no offense, but I like to remind people guillaumeb Oct 2017 #22

Agreed. Bernie is not the messiah(nobody ever actually thought he WAS) Ken Burch Oct 2017 #19

Fine, but let's concentrate on issues instead of personalities ProudLib72 Oct 2017 #25

1) My point was precisely that we SHOULD be talking issues, not personalities Ken Burch Oct 2017 #45

I stated that poorly ProudLib72 Oct 2017 #51

Thank you for the clarification. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #67

Yep. (nt) ehrnst Oct 2017 #101

If he doesn't run again? It doesn't matter if he runs again. It won't be as a Democrat. MrsCoffee Oct 2017 #26

Well The Organizers In Somerville Agree With You Me. Oct 2017 #37

I certainly dont trust him/them. Hillary is stepping up to campaign for Northam. MrsCoffee Oct 2017 #82

Perriello is as well, despite the digging in of the VA branch of ehrnst Oct 2017 #98

She Truly Is Me. Oct 2017 #106

On what basis do you say he won't run again as a Democrat? Jim Lane Oct 2017 #60

That ship has sailed. MrsCoffee Oct 2017 #84

I didn't get any "belief" that the DNC can and will take action to bar him ehrnst Oct 2017 #99

That's why I posed it as a question instead of making an assumption Jim Lane Oct 2017 #119

"seems to be" doesn't really instill your statements with ehrnst Oct 2017 #145

He didn't run to sabotage anything, for God's sakes. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #129

Anathemized? ehrnst Oct 2017 #96

What else would you call it, when there seems to be this great, relentless push Ken Burch Oct 2017 #121

I would call it hyperbole. ehrnst Oct 2017 #131

This message was self-deleted by its author lunamagica Oct 2017 #169

+100000000 treestar Oct 2017 #184

Harvard Harris INTERNET POLL AGAIN? sheshe2 Oct 2017 #23

I Love THe Triple Vote Ploy Me. Oct 2017 #38

Tee Hee sheshe2 Oct 2017 #39

Clicky-clicky! (LOL!) NurseJackie Oct 2017 #104

The internets which brought us Boaty McBoatface. ehrnst Oct 2017 #132

I looked at it ...total crap...tried to prove the POC love Sen. Sanders a few days ago. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #176

Or, we could just keep losing... HopeAgain Oct 2017 #27

Internet polls are about as reliable as commondreams.org. They are neither random, nor........... Tarheel_Dem Oct 2017 #28

This message was self-deleted by its author BainsBane Oct 2017 #47

Precisely. n/t Tarheel_Dem Oct 2017 #73

but the Harris Poll gives Rewards for signing up! delisen Oct 2017 #109

Joe Biden 2020 aeromanKC Oct 2017 #31

I can get behind that. Experience and stability after this clusterfuck is a winning card, IMO. Purveyor Oct 2017 #58

I'm a democrat rainin Oct 2017 #32

I gave $$$$ to and spent hours campaiging for bernie SeattlePop Oct 2017 #33

Yes, those that did the same work for Sec Clinton feel exactly as you do. Wwcd Oct 2017 #36

The oligarchs can be beaten SeattlePop Oct 2017 #35

Thanks to all the people who refused to vote for Clinton BainsBane Oct 2017 #49

Common Dreams is right and you are wrong. Jim Lane Oct 2017 #61

Common dreams is virtually never right. They are a joke. nt stevenleser Oct 2017 #97

I have no issue with leftist positions. JHan Oct 2017 #41

Common Dreams is Kremlin rag BainsBane Oct 2017 #43

There is no such question in that Harris poll BainsBane Oct 2017 #46

Curious how you know this site is a "Kremlin Rag?" Is there some evidence linking it to the Russian jalan48 Oct 2017 #52

This message was self-deleted by its author BainsBane Oct 2017 #55

Because you have questions about one article on a site it becomes a "Kremlin Rag"? jalan48 Oct 2017 #57

No, because of the pro-Kremlin shit BainsBane Oct 2017 #59

This message was self-deleted by its author jalan48 Oct 2017 #68

Actually I am wrong BainsBane Oct 2017 #69

This message was self-deleted by its author jalan48 Oct 2017 #70

I noticed you deleted the friendly posts BainsBane Oct 2017 #80

I decided to delete after I realized I responded to the wrong link. jalan48 Oct 2017 #107

Thanks for understanding BainsBane Oct 2017 #114

The article you call a "fabrication" is correct and your post is false. Jim Lane Oct 2017 #62

I checked the poll; BainsBane Oct 2017 #65

An interesting choice of words Jim Lane Oct 2017 #74

You most certainly did BainsBane Oct 2017 #76

You disagree with a bunch of things that I didn't say. Jim Lane Oct 2017 #216

Moving right is getting us nowhere. Attempting to reason with them is getting us nowhere. Initech Oct 2017 #50

Please list policies of the Democratic Party which are rightwing. What is Schumer or Pelosi emulatorloo Oct 2017 #204

The tensions seem to be here with the centrists lovemydogs Oct 2017 #53

You are surrounded by left liberals and progressives. Drop the "Centrist" smear. emulatorloo Oct 2017 #196

Encouraging colsohlibgal Oct 2017 #54

24.7% of respondents identify as liberal BainsBane Oct 2017 #63

I agree with moving left Tavarious Jackson Oct 2017 #77

Not this shit again! That's what cost us last time. coolsandy Oct 2017 #78

I don't know why so many of you think we should just stay the course. Tobin S. Oct 2017 #79

Right on target in my view. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #113

Feingold lost treestar Oct 2017 #185

One polititcian, one state, and not far enough to the left Tobin S. Oct 2017 #193

ordinary people are the party treestar Oct 2017 #199

If ordinary people are the party then the party needs to adequately represent them, and it isn't. Tobin S. Oct 2017 #209

They have to get involved. treestar Oct 2017 #215

Feingold is not far enough to the left? He is a solid progressive. I do not understand emulatorloo Oct 2017 #200

Here's a hint Tobin S. Oct 2017 #207

Thanks, but no need to be condescending w "Here's a hint" thing emulatorloo Oct 2017 #208

Okay. I'm just getting weary. Tobin S. Oct 2017 #210

Ok emulatorloo Oct 2017 #211

The Democratic party is currently a moderate party Tobin S. Oct 2017 #212

+1 demmiblue Oct 2017 #192

Yep but the neo-liberals malaise Oct 2017 #81

According to the same poll, 63% of all respondents lapucelle Oct 2017 #83

Common Dreams ain't on board with the Kremlin-bashing bluedye33139 Oct 2017 #90

52 percent want to ditch Perez and Ellison bluedye33139 Oct 2017 #88

Ahh..the internet polls are back. LexVegas Oct 2017 #95

This is the PERFECT time to rip ourselves apart! Adrahil Oct 2017 #120

Dissension in the Party? guillaumeb Oct 2017 #149

Snark detector is going off..... Adrahil Oct 2017 #153

If you characterize my post as evidence of such intent, guillaumeb Oct 2017 #154

Thanks! Reputin-Lite isn't going to save the country. lagomorph777 Oct 2017 #123

What Democrats are "Reputin-Lite?" ehrnst Oct 2017 #134

Ahhh. I see the russians are being successful again. Jakes Progress Oct 2017 #148

How insightful. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #151

There is an old saying about campaigning to the left and governing to the center. kentuck Oct 2017 #150

What an interesting thought. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #152

we need UBI but everyone seems to be fighting the last election. CK_John Oct 2017 #155

I look at this as a needed discussion of the future direction of the Party. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #156

Apparently, according to the "Very Serious People", that's a toxic issue to run on. HughBeaumont Oct 2017 #178

That's the right wing attitude treestar Oct 2017 #186

When push came to shove, mainstream Democrats didn't even want multi-payer. HughBeaumont Oct 2017 #189

We need to get people concerned about it treestar Oct 2017 #202

Maybe but Harvard-Harris is the new HA Goodman. ucrdem Oct 2017 #172

This Me. Oct 2017 #242

well no ones gonna get anything if people dont vote!!! samnsara Oct 2017 #177

Yet only one year ago, the majority treestar Oct 2017 #180

An approximate 55 to 43% division. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #194

Of course it does treestar Oct 2017 #198

They might have voted for the one deemed more electable. eom guillaumeb Oct 2017 #258

But that poll surely tells us EVERYTHING about what people want! MrsCoffee Oct 2017 #201

What does the 55 to 43% division tell you? eom guillaumeb Oct 2017 #259

Three things emulatorloo Oct 2017 #203

Look at the states...and you sure as hell don't see much leftward movement. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #256

The party is moving left. emulatorloo Oct 2017 #205

This Democrat sure as fuck does! 50 Shades Of Blue Oct 2017 #206

I think the party is the right balance Loki Liesmith Oct 2017 #226

Absolutely Lunabell Oct 2017 #228

That and a healthy dose of gerrymandering and suppression. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #230

None of which gets talked about enough by Democrats. Garrett78 Oct 2017 #246

Agreed. An excellent and concise summary. eom guillaumeb Oct 2017 #254

Harvard-Harris haven't been known to conduct the most objective polls. George II Oct 2017 #240

You mean simply take it back to where it was 40 years ago? nt Quixote1818 Oct 2017 #257