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BainsBane

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97. Jim Crow was indeed apartheid,

Sun Oct 29, 2017, 06:51 PM

Oct 2017

and there is academic literature establishing parallels between the two.

https://www.amazon.com/White-Supremacy-Comparative-American-African/dp/0195030427
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0,24&qsp=1&q=comparison+of+south+africa+%22united+states%22

That you have never thought or read about it does not make it ridiculous.

Slavery existed throughout the Americas, but the US was the only nation to develop a system of segregation and systemic disenfranchisement. Like apartheid, it was created and enforced by the state, including the "party of FDR" we are told we should return to.

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Can we admit finally that sexism was a huge problem in both 2008 and 2016 elections [View all] dsc Oct 2017 OP

I think Obama would have won in 2008, no matter what bearsfootball516 Oct 2017 #1

If Hillary had been nominated in 2008 MichMary Oct 2017 #4

The sexism problem was with the Democratic Primary in 2008 whopis01 Oct 2017 #5

So you think HRC ClarendonDem Oct 2017 #27

I think the OP is just saying sexism was a factor LisaM Oct 2017 #37

She lost by a tiny margin. Sexism could certainly have tipped the race to him. nt pnwmom Oct 2017 #66

I remember DU during 08 primary bobbieinok Oct 2017 #54

I was called "a old hag" for supporting HRC. LisaM Oct 2017 #60

One DUer said HRC was tired, disappointed old woman bobbieinok Oct 2017 #61

I left DU for two years after the 2008 primary. xmas74 Oct 2017 #79

In 2008 Clinton's enthusiastic collaboration with GWB was still in very recent memory Sen. Walter Sobchak Oct 2017 #91

What on earth are you referring to? LisaM Oct 2017 #110

Post removed Post removed Oct 2017 #117

By "double down" do you mean "keep correcting those who said she lied?" ehrnst Oct 2017 #121

I don't accuse her of lying, I accuse her of being completely tone deaf Sen. Walter Sobchak Oct 2017 #125

To blame Hillary for the Iraq war is beyond ridiculous. LisaM Oct 2017 #122

Nuance. ehrnst Oct 2017 #123

Nobody blames her for the Iraq war Sen. Walter Sobchak Oct 2017 #126

So Hillary Clinton, a female, "married herself to Bush...."? What do you think.... George II Oct 2017 #124

If they, in 2007 were also joining the chorus against Iran Sen. Walter Sobchak Oct 2017 #128

You mean like ehrnst Oct 2017 #137

Can explain what you mean by "enthusiastic collaboration?" ehrnst Oct 2017 #114

Yeah, I think that was a hit and run! LisaM Oct 2017 #115

(crickets) ehrnst Oct 2017 #116

Sorry for the inconvenience, I have a job. Sen. Walter Sobchak Oct 2017 #118

And... ehrnst Oct 2017 #120

No, because this whole Iraq thing.. JHan Nov 2017 #143

This. Dear God, this. (nt) ehrnst Nov 2017 #144

What you said, bobbieinok. It was shocking. nt Hekate Oct 2017 #131

really? DonCoquixote Oct 2017 #52

Why would you post such a polarizing statement? It's not Obama's fault that Trump's president. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #74

What I meant was MichMary Oct 2017 #77

The reality was that '16 was going to be a problem year. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #87

Several of you blame the party without any proof that this is what the problem was. stevenleser Oct 2017 #107

OK...there were factors in and out of our control Ken Burch Oct 2017 #129

the problems in the house and senate go back decades Sen. Walter Sobchak Oct 2017 #119

I disagree totally. No one could've beaten Obama in 2008. It was something like I had never seen... Honeycombe8 Oct 2017 #132

Were you replying to me? MichMary Oct 2017 #135

That's beside the point. Sexism was still a factor, and that's wrong. n/t pnwmom Oct 2017 #65

It's a huge thing in every election with more than one gender on the ballot Lee-Lee Oct 2017 #2

I think they mean the 2008 primary and the 2016 general, not vice versa Not Ruth Oct 2017 #3

There was plenty of sexism in the 2016 primaries. comradebillyboy Oct 2017 #78

Are we supposed to be admitting GaryCnf Oct 2017 #6

The two reporters most credited with setting the tone turn out to be sexist pigs dsc Oct 2017 #8

So Obama won the nomination in 2008 GaryCnf Oct 2017 #11

anyone running in 2008 would have won a majority dsc Oct 2017 #12

You can pull out the MCLurkin crap all day and night if you wish BannonsLiver Oct 2017 #16

The media was on his side and he drew large crowds at rallies... LisaM Oct 2017 #63

I define it by who wins and loses BannonsLiver Oct 2017 #64

Ir certainly helps when the media favors you. LisaM Oct 2017 #67

That is pure revisionist history. GaryCnf Oct 2017 #17

I was referring to McClurkin not Wright the fact you didn't know that shows dsc Oct 2017 #18

Tell me about McClurkin's role GaryCnf Oct 2017 #41

I already did dsc Oct 2017 #43

So the character of someone who GaryCnf Oct 2017 #46

yes since he was warned just what he was when he had him do so dsc Oct 2017 #47

You're willingness to slander Obama GaryCnf Oct 2017 #48

It is not slander dsc Oct 2017 #50

Some folks scream sexism BannonsLiver Oct 2017 #20

Obama was a better candidate that is true Tavarious Jackson Oct 2017 #26

Not sure I agree ClarendonDem Oct 2017 #28

Sure she did. Tavarious Jackson Oct 2017 #29

But President Obama ClarendonDem Oct 2017 #30

He was only a state senator Tavarious Jackson Oct 2017 #33

I'm not arguing she wasn't qualified ClarendonDem Oct 2017 #35

I love them both Tavarious Jackson Oct 2017 #38

yup ClarendonDem Oct 2017 #39

Barack Obama won the US Senate seat in an election in 2004 . Yes he was also a state senator lunasun Oct 2017 #57

She was in the Senate for twice as long as he was dsc Oct 2017 #31

8 years versus 4 years isn't that much of a difference ClarendonDem Oct 2017 #32

By that reasoning John McCain was the best candidate lunasun Oct 2017 #58

That's good news.... tonedevil Oct 2017 #85

So what. The primary electorate that year didnt care. BannonsLiver Oct 2017 #55

Now imagine for a second that she had won in 08 dsc Oct 2017 #14

Lol you are trying to give Halpern way too much credit Egnever Oct 2017 #21

"the most racist nation on earth" former9thward Oct 2017 #40

I gather you are not black GaryCnf Oct 2017 #42

Oh, btw GaryCnf Oct 2017 #44

My original post stands. former9thward Oct 2017 #49

Now "Obama proved were not racists?" GaryCnf Oct 2017 #56

You really fail in logic. former9thward Oct 2017 #68

Do you mean I did not list one such country? GaryCnf Oct 2017 #70

Easy. former9thward Oct 2017 #71

Pay attention friend GaryCnf Oct 2017 #72

No, thousands of slaves weren't put on crosses and crucified like in Rome. former9thward Oct 2017 #75

Millions died in the Middle Passage BainsBane Oct 2017 #100

How is that on the U.S.? former9thward Oct 2017 #101

Where did the British import slaves to? BainsBane Oct 2017 #103

Additionally, the US maintained its own slave trade BainsBane Oct 2017 #105

Btw GaryCnf Oct 2017 #73

My copy of the Constitution is different than yours. former9thward Oct 2017 #76

Yes, I distinctly remember GaryCnf Oct 2017 #80

It did end. former9thward Oct 2017 #95

Coming from someone GaryCnf Oct 2017 #111

The institutions of transatlantic slavery was radically different BainsBane Oct 2017 #99

The only competition BainsBane Oct 2017 #94

No the U.S. did not have apartheid. former9thward Oct 2017 #96

Jim Crow was indeed apartheid, BainsBane Oct 2017 #97

Apartheid was an institutional failure that burned out quickly Sen. Walter Sobchak Oct 2017 #130

Although not the reason why Obama won, lapucelle Oct 2017 #104

Wow. I didn't remember all that. It's chilling what those media guys said. Chilling. Honeycombe8 Oct 2017 #133

2008 was Obama's moment, lapucelle Oct 2017 #136

They were, statistically speaking, neck and neck. (nt) ehrnst Oct 2017 #138

The qualifier "statistically speaking" obscures a greater truth GaryCnf Nov 2017 #140

"radically undercounts votes in caucus states" ehrnst Nov 2017 #141

Good point GaryCnf Nov 2017 #142

I voted for Obama in 2008 primary, in part, because I thought Clinton ran a despicable campaign. David__77 Oct 2017 #7

on the subjects of despicable campaigns dsc Oct 2017 #9

Yea. About that. . . When my brother told me he was voting for Trump... CousinIT Oct 2017 #10

Their reporting influenced how others reported mcar Oct 2017 #13

Yep. cwydro Oct 2017 #15

Yes, as long as we can also admit that it wasn't the only problem. meadowlander Oct 2017 #19

well, just accepting sexism isn't part of my game plan, that's for sure. nt TheFrenchRazor Oct 2017 #24

I don't accept it. meadowlander Oct 2017 #36

This message was self-deleted by its author Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #83

You don't accept it? BainsBane Oct 2017 #90

+ a million! lunamagica Oct 2017 #92

The media was reluctant to cover HRC campaign events live because lapucelle Oct 2017 #93

Cool your jets. I voted for her and I know it wasn't her only message. meadowlander Oct 2017 #109

If you think that Hillary's message was "Vote for me, I'm female" you were obviously not paying lunamagica Oct 2017 #81

This is simply the lazy, non thinking, non factual attack so often used on Clinton that can in no Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #84

I know. It's baffling how someone can post such blanket, absurd, untrue statements and get away lunamagica Oct 2017 #88

I didn't say it was her only message, or even that it was her message at all. meadowlander Oct 2017 #108

This message was self-deleted by its author Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #82

That's one way to advertise that you never informed yourself BainsBane Oct 2017 #89

Nothing like broadcasting that you were a willfully uninformed voter. brer cat Oct 2017 #106

+1000 (nt) ehrnst Oct 2017 #113

Perhaps you don't understand the difference between "a huge problem" and "the only problem?" ehrnst Oct 2017 #112

I think the sexism does run deep marylandblue Oct 2017 #22

agree with you 100% nt Tavarious Jackson Oct 2017 #25

I'm male ClarendonDem Oct 2017 #34

it is, but some people will never admit it. nt TheFrenchRazor Oct 2017 #23

Absolutely. lindysalsagal Oct 2017 #86

Admit or not, it is a reality. Not a tough one. As the hate for Obama stemmed from bigotry, Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #45

And still is a big problem. eom guillaumeb Oct 2017 #51

how are we going to win 2018 and 2020 DonCoquixote Oct 2017 #53

No!!!! Not in 2008......... USALiberal Oct 2017 #59

I agree about Obama. No one could've beaten him. But sexism was involved... Honeycombe8 Oct 2017 #134

Both sides took turns savaging Hillary Awsi Dooger Oct 2017 #62

Oh great, let's not re-fight the 2016 primary, let's go all the way back to 2008! X_Digger Oct 2017 #69

While an Obama supporter in 08, Sanders in 16 - I do agree sexism existed lovemydogs Oct 2017 #98

::Carefully reviews thread:: ::sighs:: Apparently not. n/t TygrBright Oct 2017 #102

My reaction as well. ismnotwasm Oct 2017 #127

Yes, and the piece by Rebecca Traister which inspires the Vox Article is spot on... JHan Oct 2017 #139