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Sun Oct 29, 2017, 11:29 PM

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Kevin Spacey statement posted on Twitter, 15 minutes ago [View all] highplainsdem Oct 2017 OP

You know more stories will now come out. Another open secret explodes in the media... bettyellen Oct 2017 #1

Wow Catherine Vincent Oct 2017 #2

Sometimes it feels like there's very limited True Dough Oct 2017 #3

The second paragraph could have started with... bluepen Oct 2017 #4

Rolling my gay eyes so hard at the second paragraph. SaschaHM Oct 2017 #5

Where is the dragging in paragraph 2? WinkyDink Oct 2017 #7

That's kind of what I was thinking Lotusflower70 Oct 2017 #9

I think he didnt want speculation forgotmylogin Oct 2017 #18

Got that right. Alice11111 Oct 2017 #19

Hear, hear. I applaud Spacey for responding quickly and honestly. secondwind Oct 2017 #49

The I don't remember / If I did it....weasel words and I do no respect it at all. I don't believe he Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #63

That WAS 30 years ago. I can see not remembering everything from that long ago, esp if drunk. Honeycombe8 Oct 2017 #78

What he did was obviously wrong. But 30+ years ago was in the 80's. It's easy to forget pnwmom Oct 2017 #17

I don't need a gay history lesson. I also don't need a 40+ year old man who's sexuality SaschaHM Oct 2017 #25

He isn't using it as an excuse for anything TODAY. He's talking about something in the 80's pnwmom Oct 2017 #26

Well said. OnDoutside Oct 2017 #47

Bravo secondwind Oct 2017 #50

I disagree. He attacked a fourteen year old child. No excuses. yardwork Oct 2017 #53

No kidding. What a bunch of horseshit. Dave Starsky Oct 2017 #55

Thank you. yardwork Oct 2017 #56

I've seen a photo of the kid now and I agree -- this wasn't a mistake of not being able to tell pnwmom Oct 2017 #73

Exactly -- molesting minors wasn't okay then, either obamanut2012 Oct 2017 #59

We don't know that for a fact. He did not admit to that. He said he doesn't remember... Honeycombe8 Oct 2017 #79

"He couldn't face himself sober, so he did stupid things while drunk." oberliner Oct 2017 #70

Not related to being gay, or, as he says, loving men or women. Alice11111 Oct 2017 #27

If he was drunk he would have been even less able to judge a teenager's age than when sober. pnwmom Oct 2017 #33

I usually agree with you. On this one, he only expressed regret Alice11111 Oct 2017 #35

" But society had driven him into the closet and alcohol helped him get out" SaschaHM Oct 2017 #38

He described it as "deeply inappropriate drunken behavior." So that's the "something" pnwmom Oct 2017 #39

He attacked a child. That's a crime. Being gay or drunk is not an excuse. yardwork Oct 2017 #57

Spot on. Alice11111 Oct 2017 #90

Oh, the horrors of being gay in the NY theater scene in the 80s... AngryAmish Oct 2017 #65

Seriously. As a matter of fact, come to think of it, even I was part of the 1980s NY theatre scene. yardwork Oct 2017 #67

How could you prevent yourself from trying to get with a barely teenager? AngryAmish Oct 2017 #71

I know, right? I can't believe what I'm reading here. yardwork Oct 2017 #74

Here's what Anthony Rapp looked like at the time oberliner Oct 2017 #40

I presume he knew the teenager's age prior to getting drunk. LisaL Oct 2017 #41

He didn't admit to it. He said he doesn't remember, & offered a possible excuse for why he doesn't. Honeycombe8 Oct 2017 #80

Please remember that the kid malaise Oct 2017 #51

Rapp is courageous to come forward now!!! Alice11111 Oct 2017 #91

Attacking a fourteen year old is not acceptable in the context of being gay. It's wrong. yardwork Oct 2017 #52

I don't need a history lesson either. moriah Oct 2017 #75

He also came out in an intreview like 15 years ago obamanut2012 Oct 2017 #58

I didn't know... shanti Oct 2017 #81

We choose who we love which is a good thing and not the same thing as preying Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #62

Dan Savage has been ripping Spacey for trying to make it a coming out issue instead of a anneboleyn Oct 2017 #76

he honestly doesn't remember whether he initiated a sexual encounter with a 14 year old boy? mnmoderatedem Oct 2017 #6

Reads like an admission to me BainsBane Oct 2017 #8

No shit! Well stated. Alice11111 Oct 2017 #29

I'm guessing a lot of this was involved. Initech Oct 2017 #11

Alcohol allows you to be your true self with an excuse sarah FAILIN Oct 2017 #15

I'll bet if you were molesting kids 30 years ago... Dave Starsky Oct 2017 #60

Bingo. yardwork Oct 2017 #68

he is trying to excuse himself by saying he was drunk so anything that happened JI7 Oct 2017 #13

I dont know about that FreeState Oct 2017 #20

what if there are accusations in the last 15 years or so ? JI7 Oct 2017 #24

Why speculate until that happens? This incident took place in the 80's. pnwmom Oct 2017 #28

i'm not speculating on the specific case but i'm trying to see where the poster would the time JI7 Oct 2017 #37

I remember that era well. pnwmom Oct 2017 #30

Its hard to explain to people FreeState Oct 2017 #34

Even 30 years ago was a world away from the freedom gay people OnDoutside Oct 2017 #48

My dad was bi, and had the added trauma... moriah Oct 2017 #85

I wasn't trying to excuse what he did, which isn't excusable. pnwmom Oct 2017 #86

30 years ago this was "normal" behavior. joshcryer Oct 2017 #16

Attacking a fourteen year old is NEVER normal. yardwork Oct 2017 #54

In the 1980's Sgent Oct 2017 #83

Oh really? Got any evidence for that? This happened in New York. yardwork Oct 2017 #87

No it wasn't, all but three states were above 15 years of age by 1920 FreeState Oct 2017 #92

If he was blackout drunk, perhaps not. moriah Oct 2017 #77

........... alittlelark Oct 2017 #10

Ive got perfect recall of my rape attempts Nevernose Oct 2017 #12

Simply and well stated. Alice11111 Oct 2017 #31

How do you know this was a rape attempt? He certainly tried to start something, pnwmom Oct 2017 #36

Rape might be a harsh term Nevernose Oct 2017 #44

Yeah, I hadn't heard anything about months of grooming. I'd read something about pnwmom Oct 2017 #46

There's a forum somewhere on these interwebs that bathroommonkey76 Oct 2017 #14

Yes there have been stories about him for years More_Cowbell Oct 2017 #22

The forum I'm talking about goes into detail about those "assaults" lol bathroommonkey76 Oct 2017 #23

The mispresented term here seems to be defacto7 Oct 2017 #21

What a glorious distinction Alice11111 Oct 2017 #32

A psychological distinction all the same. defacto7 Oct 2017 #42

As a lawyer, yeah, but for the victim, it is still the most Alice11111 Oct 2017 #43

He did it. And there are others. Tatiana Oct 2017 #45

I never knew this. It makes me sad...anyone see Fun Home about a closeted Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #61

This statement enrages me dsc Oct 2017 #64

This lesbian who was an adult during the 1980s agrees. yardwork Oct 2017 #69

Yup. ismnotwasm Oct 2017 #72

It wasn't an attack, really. He made a move on him. When the 14yr old said no, that was it. Honeycombe8 Oct 2017 #82

If you think that's "making a move" then I suggest you check yourself. yardwork Oct 2017 #88

The 14 year old had to push Spacey off of him. Kaleva Oct 2017 #93

... demmiblue Oct 2017 #66

He all but admitted to sexually assaulting a minor LittleBlue Oct 2017 #84

It's too bad... doodsaq Oct 2017 #89

"I choose now to live as a gay man" snooper2 Oct 2017 #94