President Obama's Disingenuous Attack on Outsourcing

[JoePhilly]

224. I did not take the position you ascribe to me, but its a nice strawman.

So I'll respond point by point.

You are of the opinion that Democratic voters are so stupid they need you to suppress information otherwise all Democrats, too stupid to be able to assess the situation, will run out and vote for Republicans. Like they did in 2008.

No, you made this up this nonsense. I don't think Democratic voters are stupid. Not at all. But I do think its easy to cherry pick attacks, and then influence people. If this was not true, you would not have Republicans on TV constantly saying "the American people believe ... blah blah blah" ... they do this to try and influence low information people, people (left and right) who want to be with the "majority". Its a way to manipulate opinion. I know a little about this. My PhD is in Psychology.

What a truly odd position to take. If anything will suppress the vote it is people who attempt to 'protect' grown up adults from facing political facts. It makes Democrats look scared frankly. We are NOT scared to face political reality and to deal with it at a time when it is most effective to do so.

When I talk about suppressing the vote, I am talking about at very obvious phenomenon going on in the media. There are two sets of attacks on Obama. One crafted to anger the right wing and get them to vote. Another to frustrate the left and get them to stay home. Obama beat McCain by about 6%, so if you can shift the turn-out, increase the rw, and decrease the left, Romney has a shot at winning. And so, articles are pushed into the media so that they move to the internet, and discussion boards like this one. The person writing the OP may or may not be trying to supress the vote, but those who push many of these over the top, hyperbole driven attacks have that intent.

But what is really interesting about this discussion, and I'm in agreement with you on one thing, I would not want any of it hidden, is the fact that a small number of people in this thread are okay with putting Republicans in positions of power.

I don't like to hide things. I rarely vote to hide a post. As for having Republicans in positions of power, I'd say it depends. Or is your position that every Republican is evil and must be shunned. Is that what I should take from your comment, or would I be creating a false strawman about you?

Is this your position also? You have no objection to Republicans rather than Democrats, being appointed to very powerful positions AFTER we throw them out?

Now this statement makes me wonder if my strawman above is correct. You seem to start with the position "Republicans are evil". I don't. The correct answer is "it depends". I also have some Republicans in my family, should I shun them?

Bottom line ... this site is focused on electing DEMOCRATS to office. And we are now about 4 months from the Presidential election. There are two candidates.

Now ... you don't seem to like Obama ... fine ... when will you start the Progressive Prez 2016 group? A group dedicated to finding a better progressive candidate for 2016. See, if one of Obama detractors on DU started this group, and they became proactive about finding that candidate, I'd take them more seriously.