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Bonobo

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3. I have not seen one coherent answer to this.

Reply to Better Believe It (Original post)

Sun Jan 1, 2012, 01:23 AM

Jan 2012

Some claim that the act does not extend to US citizens and legal residents, but it is clear from the language that the "exemption", as you mention, says only that detention is not "required".

It DOES NOT SAY that it is not allowed.

The claim that this says that it does not shane existing US law is ridiculous of course since if that were true there would be no point in the legislate in the first place.

Furthermore, Obama's signing statements are not binding on future US Presidents, so it is of little comfort and he should NOT have signed.

For me, it is another in a long list of unacceptable actions.

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I have not seen one coherent answer to this. Bonobo Jan 2012 #3

This has been addressed about a brazillion times. Major Hogwash Jan 2012 #4

You're 100% right. Why do the ACLU and other progressives always whine about attacks on our Better Believe It Jan 2012 #7

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One persistent yet untrue story, trotted out daily now bhikkhu Jan 2012 #6

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If you believe that, there's not much left to complain about bhikkhu Jan 2012 #27

Are you challenging the ACLU and other civil liberties groups on this matter? Better Believe It Jan 2012 #11

Very clearly, that detention authorization comes from the 2001 AUMF bhikkhu Jan 2012 #28

Better Believe It, you took the words right out of my fingertips....so I'll just add a +1! nt tpsbmam Jan 2012 #29

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But it's OK to assassinate U.S. Citizens who the government believes might be terrorists? Better Believe It Jan 2012 #12

Shall we examine the evidence of Anwar al-Awlaki being a terrorist together? n/t Bolo Boffin Jan 2012 #14

Sure! A trial would be a fine place! WinkyDink Jan 2012 #19

A trial? noise Jan 2012 #22

We can't do a trial here, but we can look at the evidence here. n/t Bolo Boffin Jan 2012 #24

I especially like the "top secret" evidence that you and I won't see. Better Believe It Jan 2012 #35

Are you saying that some terrorists should be allowed to attack the US? Major Hogwash Jan 2012 #30

That's yet another personal attack suggesting I support terrorist attacks on the US Better Believe It Jan 2012 #34

"My." The law is the law; he won't be pres. forever. Oh, and about his word........ WinkyDink Jan 2012 #18

Everyone, please take the time to read the ARTICLE on the link below Tx4obama Jan 2012 #13

Yeah, yeah. Parts he doesn't like. Well, maybe JEB will love them. WinkyDink Jan 2012 #16

I think maybe you didn't read the ARTICLE on the link I posted. n/t Tx4obama Jan 2012 #17

Interesting. one_voice Jan 2012 #20

You're welcome :) n/t Tx4obama Jan 2012 #23

I don't need to read the article ibegurpard Jan 2012 #21

I disagree. There is NOT plenty reason to do so ... Tx4obama Jan 2012 #25

Good article n/t tammywammy Jan 2012 #26

NS, S. AS IF he were ever really going to veto it. AS *^^$% IF. WinkyDink Jan 2012 #15

I'm going to try to express my opinion without getting flamed. OK: boxman15 Jan 2012 #31

And if Romney wins in Nov. rusty fender Jan 2012 #39

Yes. boxman15 Jan 2012 #40

In 2008 I didn't see Obama rusty fender Jan 2012 #41

Obama could have issued a veto. Better Believe It Jan 2012 #42

And then Congress would override it (It had 93% support in the Senate and 86% in the House) boxman15 Jan 2012 #44

So what??? Let see where they all stand with a presidential veto! Better Believe It Jan 2012 #50

Hahahahaha!!!!! Major Hogwash Jan 2012 #49

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Please explain in detail what is wrong with this bill. Major Hogwash Jan 2012 #46

I'm against indefinite detention of anyone without trial. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2012 #47

No it doesn't. Major Hogwash Jan 2012 #48