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Iggy

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226. Correct: NAFTA

Thu Jul 19, 2012, 05:17 PM

Jul 2012

which was strongly advocated for by Clinton/Gore and rammed thru congress on the fast track-- by both
dems and repugs. "funny" how the one percent can get legislation passed which benefits THEM over the rest
of us.

I'm a former UAW member, so I can tell you one of the things NAFTA did "for us" was allow engines for trucks/cars
to be assembled in Mexico-- by cheap labor-- then shipped up to Detroit to be installed by low skilled (cheap labor
again) into cars and trucks. sound good for U.S. workers? prior to NAFTA, companies had to pay considerable
tariffs to make that happen

and correct again: the _bogus_ "jobs czar", CEO of GE Mr. Immelt. what a load this guy is. WHERE is he?

well, sir, WHERE are the U.S. jobs????

and of course we know GE paid ZERO taxes in 2010, all while making Billions in profit that year.

So yes, it appears the whole Bain/outsourcing/taxes tact is hypocritical.

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President Obama's Disingenuous Attack on Outsourcing [View all] brentspeak Jul 2012 OP

Oh look ProSense Jul 2012 #1

Well done... SidDithers Jul 2012 #7

GE's outsourcer-in-chief Jeffrey Immelt is a "Rightwing Source". Romulox Jul 2012 #9

Conor Friedersdorf is Jeffrey Immelt's nom de plume?... SidDithers Jul 2012 #11

Brilliant duck, even for you, Sid. I guess you can't defend Mr. Immelt. I wouldn't try, either. nt Romulox Jul 2012 #14

I never mentioned Immelt... SidDithers Jul 2012 #17

*I* did. "Discussion" board, remember? nt Romulox Jul 2012 #20

Yeah, I know *you* did... SidDithers Jul 2012 #24

NNN0LHI is obviously wrong. YOU are the best! nt Romulox Jul 2012 #26

I think they are talking about a duck named Sid. Maraya1969 Jul 2012 #155

Was Freidersdorf wrong that Immelt is in the President's cabinet? sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #116

Yes...nt SidDithers Jul 2012 #123

Why did this administration appoint Republicans to the President's cabinet? Are you saying sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #131

And Throw In Wall St. Casino Insiders Iggy Jul 2012 #227

Okay, Let's look at what Immelt has recommended recently ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2012 #170

Letting Global Oil Cartels have more access to our resources is not 'outsourcing'? sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #229

Your concerns are noted ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2012 #230

Right on... Tippy Jul 2012 #13

And the question then becomes when will "enough be enough"? Short, sweet, and to the point. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2012 #46

Riiight... Can't knock down the message, so you go after the messenger. RC Jul 2012 #109

You are the best ProSense NNN0LHI Jul 2012 #10

Best WHAT? Romulox Jul 2012 #15

... woo me with science Jul 2012 #31

So.. you're not against RW policy from 'dems', just offended that someone you consider RW Edweird Jul 2012 #34

No ProSense Jul 2012 #42

FUDrs work thsi board HARD! Thx for your insght, I don't think I can believe them at all... uponit7771 Jul 2012 #61

How's that renegotiation of NAFTA coming along? Edweird Jul 2012 #65

I am stating clearly (no need to imply) that I am against RW policy without regard to the source. Edweird Jul 2012 #64

So ProSense Jul 2012 #68

There is no 'cheering' by me here. Edweird Jul 2012 #70

"The fact that it's a RW asshole shilling from Romney should be enough." brentspeak Jul 2012 #211

Stirs the shit and runs away. grantcart Jul 2012 #127

Typical MO emulatorloo Jul 2012 #163

And the rec list is a who's who JNelson6563 Jul 2012 #128

+1 Bobbie Jo Jul 2012 #220

The denial needs to stop. woo me with science Jul 2012 #2

Don't forget SOS DLC Hillary and outsourcing antigop Jul 2012 #93

Excellent link. Thank you. woo me with science Jul 2012 #105

+1000. Thanks,woo. n/t antigop Jul 2012 #110

Sometimes the truth is very painful and there are many here that are very disappointed Bandit Jul 2012 #3

and the ones pointing out the truth are called "haters" or "saboteurs". n/t antigop Jul 2012 #95

This sounds FUDr-ish, at the least assume Obama is a dictator and congress is something he can uponit7771 Jul 2012 #4

Wrong. The assumption is that Obama could have appointed people eridani Jul 2012 #218

That is the issue they will dance around without actually addressing Dragonfli Jul 2012 #221

It's really not too surprising you champion a guy who crapped on OW n/t Sheepshank Jul 2012 #5

fortunately Obama isn't talking about himself Enrique Jul 2012 #6

Well, I don't have any way to refute this. Is it ok to cast aspersions against the OP, instead? Romulox Jul 2012 #8

Surely people are not gullible enough to fall for this obvious a ruse? Egalitarian Thug Jul 2012 #101

I appreciate the importance of discussing this issue Tom Rinaldo Jul 2012 #12

Absolutely not. Election year is the MOST important time to speak up. woo me with science Jul 2012 #16

The OP ProSense Jul 2012 #21

Any port in a storm...nt SidDithers Jul 2012 #25

Ignore the policy. Attack the person. woo me with science Jul 2012 #27

Occupy! n/t ProSense Jul 2012 #29

an anti-occupy shill for Romney bigtree Jul 2012 #43

You are full of shit if you think it is "OK" to cozy up to a right wing shill emulatorloo Jul 2012 #142

Sniff. You may be on to something n/t politicasista Jul 2012 #141

Absolutely not? brush Jul 2012 #28

"You're for Romney, I suppose." woo me with science Jul 2012 #30

"Good grief"? ProSense Jul 2012 #33

You deserve that. I have never seen you post anything anti-Republican emulatorloo Jul 2012 #145

You asked, "Do you want repug Romney appointing their replacements with more right wingers like AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2012 #86

Bullshit. Which Obama appointee = Scalia or Thomas? emulatorloo Jul 2012 #156

You are mistaken. Obama did not appoint either Scalia or Thomas. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2012 #174

"I'ld rather that Obama would do that." Which is bullshit speculation that emulatorloo Jul 2012 #176

No matter how many times you use the word "bullshit," Kagan's positions on criminal cases is coming AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2012 #188

Kagan was your attempt to change the subject from me calling you on your speculative bullshit. emulatorloo Jul 2012 #192

I was and am a strong supporter of OWS Tom Rinaldo Jul 2012 #35

Tom is talking about election TOS. DevonRex Jul 2012 #54

Thank you for your post..it is right on.. Tippy Jul 2012 #19

True, the choice is not Bernie Sanders or Obama, it is Romney or Obama karynnj Jul 2012 #72

So now Brentspeak is bringing a RWer's attacks DevonRex Jul 2012 #18

he has some rather putrid shoes to fill, doesn't he? dionysus Jul 2012 #37

Yes he does! Got Febreeze? DevonRex Jul 2012 #40

But for how much longer? This is against Skinner's own mission statement. How much longer? Tarheel_Dem Jul 2012 #49

I guess it depends DevonRex Jul 2012 #52

Yeah. Using the Weekly Standard was kinda obvious...nt SidDithers Jul 2012 #55

Hey Sid DevonRex Jul 2012 #57

But with or without the use of rightwing sources, Skinner has to have recognized the pattern. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2012 #77

ITA. DevonRex Jul 2012 #84

"The horrible thing about the Two Minutes Hate was not that one was obliged to act a part..." Romulox Jul 2012 #82

Sounds like projection emulatorloo Jul 2012 #180

I don't think it's disingenuous if he's trying to do something about the problem. RedStateLiberal Jul 2012 #22

Well said! nt One of the 99 Jul 2012 #73

Wasn't that promised in 2008? How's the progress on that? AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2012 #90

I agree it's probably not going anywhere. RedStateLiberal Jul 2012 #96

Then going back to your origional statement in which you said that you don't think it's disingenuous AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2012 #98

Your logic fails me. RedStateLiberal Jul 2012 #104

It's promised every election season, woo me with science Jul 2012 #100

Right on time! BumRushDaShow Jul 2012 #23

3rd way/new 'dem' garbage is about RW policy. This and the individual mandate are prime examples. Edweird Jul 2012 #32

Yup. The Third Way was never a grass roots phenomenon. woo me with science Jul 2012 #41

Well said. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2012 #91

BBI called. he wants his shtick back. dionysus Jul 2012 #36

*snort* DevonRex Jul 2012 #39

!! Bobbie Jo Jul 2012 #44

LOL FSogol Jul 2012 #47

!!! Tarheel_Dem Jul 2012 #50

rofl Coexist Jul 2012 #66

Bwah! BumRushDaShow Jul 2012 #71

Thanks for this reminder! MannyGoldstein Jul 2012 #167

Post right wing sources to attack President Obama and this is what I see/hear stevenleser Jul 2012 #38

I stopped reading at "Conor Friedersdorf" GarroHorus Jul 2012 #45

Romney must really be having a bad week!!! JoePhilly Jul 2012 #48

"Obama's really on our side, you dumb old lefties!" Iggo Jul 2012 #51

Unless Kucinich or Nader is running... am I to assume the purists are voting for Romney??? progressivebydesign Jul 2012 #58

Diebold AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2012 #92

Oh boy. Do we have to do this EVERY election??? progressivebydesign Jul 2012 #53

Happens every time the Dems have a good week. Clockwork DevonRex Jul 2012 #56

brent's been campaigning against obama for about 4 years now. dionysus Jul 2012 #59

this article will have zero impact on the election Enrique Jul 2012 #79

So ProSense Jul 2012 #81

it's not bullshit Enrique Jul 2012 #85

Ah ProSense Jul 2012 #87

k/r emilyg Jul 2012 #60

Are you going to vote for Obama ProSense Jul 2012 #62

I always vote. emilyg Jul 2012 #74

That's not what I asked, but OK. n/t ProSense Jul 2012 #75

if past is prologue, I'd say no AtomicKitten Jul 2012 #83

oh, great find! Especially because of DLC Hillary's position on outsourcing antigop Jul 2012 #113

The hypocrisy does boggle the mind. AtomicKitten Jul 2012 #115

Explains a great deal! Tarheel_Dem Jul 2012 #168

What is this, the DU Committee on Un-American Activities? girl gone mad Jul 2012 #106

It was ProSense Jul 2012 #107

Looks that way, doesn't it? Skip Intro Jul 2012 #210

Had you asked that of me, I'd have said Skip Intro Jul 2012 #209

Why are you attacking THE Democratic candidate during a presidential campaign?? kestrel91316 Jul 2012 #63

This isn't going to be popular here - Hell Hath No Fury Jul 2012 #67

+1000. n/t antigop Jul 2012 #114

Gee, I wonder what Kark Rove and Dick Cheney have to say on this subject! Ikonoklast Jul 2012 #69

K n R. Apparently our side is as susceptible to candidates' pandering as theirs. Lionessa Jul 2012 #76

How to ProSense Jul 2012 #78

How DARE you post this? Now let me tell you about my brand new KIA SOUL! Romulox Jul 2012 #80

It was the dancing woodchucks that got him. Edweird Jul 2012 #102

Shouldn't that be KIA Seoul? cherokeeprogressive Jul 2012 #193

your obsession with mineralman is bizarre.... dionysus Jul 2012 #206

lol Union Scribe Jul 2012 #214

So what's the solution? Stay home, don't vote? Vote for Robbedme? Zalatix Jul 2012 #88

A week of Bain really hit home, didn't it? nt msanthrope Jul 2012 #89

Better believe it!... SidDithers Jul 2012 #122

Is that a threat? MannyGoldstein Jul 2012 #172

... SidDithers Jul 2012 #183

For some, as you can readily see, speaking the truth is overrated. But I thank you. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2012 #94

For some, ProSense Jul 2012 #97

If there is to be a choice between the truth and disingenuous ad hominem attacks on truth tellers, AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2012 #99

And ProSense Jul 2012 #103

Thanks for the link. Petrushka Jul 2012 #108

Post removed Post removed Jul 2012 #111

Nailed it...nt SidDithers Jul 2012 #112

Why is a Registered Republican in a Democratic President's cabinet? sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #117

Well, ProSense Jul 2012 #118

Don't let little things like facts get in the way of a good outrage...nt SidDithers Jul 2012 #119

If I were you, I would take that advice myself. sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #130

Don't the goalposts get heavy... SidDithers Jul 2012 #159

I wouldn't know, but if you say so I will accept your experienced opinion. sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #175

THANK! YOU!!! Tarheel_Dem Jul 2012 #120

HEY!1! stop yelling! shouting hurts my ears.. why thems.. dionysus Jul 2012 #124

You big bully. You're in the "president's cabinet", aren't you? Tarheel_Dem Jul 2012 #125

but if I make a declarative statement Bobbie Jo Jul 2012 #121

That's why they hate and disparage the "blue links"! Tarheel_Dem Jul 2012 #126

Um, no. I like the 'blue links'. So I'll ask again, why did this administration appoint Republicans sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #134

How dare someone attempt to shore up their post with links!1!1 treestar Jul 2012 #195

Especially when those "blue links" open up a can of you know what! Tarheel_Dem Jul 2012 #198

Yes, facts do come in handy especially when there are those who try to deflect from sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #136

Awkward backpedaling Bobbie Jo Jul 2012 #139

"Immelt joins Obama's kitchen-CEO cabinet" sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #149

"Obama Names Three Republican Cabinet Officers" sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #129

Are you serious? ProSense Jul 2012 #132

My question was 'why did this administration appoint Republicans to his cabinet' sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #138

Well. ProSense Jul 2012 #140

"Immelt joins Obama's kitchen-CEO cabinet" sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #143

Excuse me ProSense Jul 2012 #150

Can't bring yourself to answer the question. sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #154

"kitchen-CEO cabinet" ProSense Jul 2012 #165

You really can't answer, can you. Why is that, denial or evasiveness? Dragonfli Jul 2012 #216

Sabrina, give up. kurtzapril4 Jul 2012 #160

Yeah, ProSense Jul 2012 #164

Are you reading impaired? Dragonfli Jul 2012 #217

True, but I am astounded by what has been revealed in this thread. From the same people sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #228

Wow, that's a remarkably unwarranted celebration you are having there with your friends. woo me with science Jul 2012 #133

Occupy! ProSense Jul 2012 #135

Prosense, didn't you know that squatting in parks and disavowing politics is the wave of the future? dionysus Jul 2012 #144

So, back to the topic you are trying so hard NOT to address. sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #152

If they are really no different, then what difference does it make? treestar Jul 2012 #196

You said that, not I. I am a Democrat because I despise Republicans and do not want them in sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #199

Individual Republicans may be capable of doing a job, like Huntsman or Gates treestar Jul 2012 #200

I, as a Democrat, more than 'tend to leave Republicans out and to exclude them as they do to us'. sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #202

What has Gates lied about? treestar Jul 2012 #219

Why do you always resort to personal attacks treestar? sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #223

What personal attack treestar Jul 2012 #231

In everything ProSense Jul 2012 #153

If you're interested, ProSense Jul 2012 #137

Game - set - match emulatorloo Jul 2012 #146

So you too agree with Dems appointing Republicans to positions of power after we throw them out? sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #162

Sabrina - lets have a nice discussion without "litmus tests" as to who is a "better" Democrat. emulatorloo Jul 2012 #166

We disagree. Gates is a war monger and a liar. No Democrat should appoint someone sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #179

It is ok to disagree. As to your original question, long tradition of appointees from another party emulatorloo Jul 2012 #189

Yes, I am aware, and even support, cooperation between the two parties. But we are talking about sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #204

More killer "blue links". Tarheel_Dem Jul 2012 #173

what's "desperate" is, the "dems" who are so upset that obama's going to have another 4 years, they dionysus Jul 2012 #148

Basically, the ideologues are scrambling for a new narrative. emulatorloo Jul 2012 #151

Same little flailing fists every time, too. DevonRex Jul 2012 #158

Lots of responses. woo me with science Jul 2012 #157

Nice try. We "get" it. emulatorloo Jul 2012 #169

So what's the endgame, buddy? emulatorloo Jul 2012 #147

he does have a point. Democrats have supported outsourcing and predatory capitalism. However, if I Douglas Carpenter Jul 2012 #161

More like ... Disingenuous Attack on Obama by Right Wing. JoePhilly Jul 2012 #171

It's outright attempts at suppression, and against the TOS. I don't get it. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2012 #177

I like mocking this nonsense, so I'm ok if it stands ... JoePhilly Jul 2012 #182

Sign me up for "the mocking". Tarheel_Dem Jul 2012 #185

You think very little of Democrats. Why is that? sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #191

I did not take the position you ascribe to me, but its a nice strawman. JoePhilly Jul 2012 #224

You were doing okay up to your last paragraph, which is something you apparently made up sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #225

"Dems Stay Home!" emulatorloo Jul 2012 #184

The good news is that we know that Skinner does have a breaking point. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2012 #186

Ha! treestar Jul 2012 #194

Hey tree! Tarheel_Dem Jul 2012 #197

Hi Tar! treestar Jul 2012 #201

My view ... as Obama's reelection becomes more assured ... JoePhilly Jul 2012 #187

Agreed. n/t emulatorloo Jul 2012 #190

Agreed...nt SidDithers Jul 2012 #205

Your quoting from a guy who has said he "leans right" Blue_Roses Jul 2012 #178

I don't care if his actions match his rhetoric or not right now ibegurpard Jul 2012 #181

Drive-by, turd in the punchbowl... SidDithers Jul 2012 #203

So again, you have not explained this. Why do you support putting Republicans in sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #207

Hey sabrina, is Immelt in the cabinet?...nt SidDithers Jul 2012 #208

Hey Sid, why won't answer the question? Do you support Republicans being given sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #212

"Or are you disputing the fact that Immelt was appointed to this president's cabinet? ".. SidDithers Jul 2012 #213

Why so much game-playing to avoid answering a simple question? sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #222

So, who will you be voting for? Drunken Irishman Jul 2012 #215

Correct: NAFTA Iggy Jul 2012 #226