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thucythucy

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54. The north DID compromise--
Tue Oct 31, 2017, 01:41 PM
Oct 2017

Lincoln said repeatedly, before and after his first inauguration, that he had no intention of abolishing slavery where it already existed.

This wasn't good enough for southern slave owners, who wanted to EXTEND slavery into the western territories, annex more of Mexico, seize Cuba, and establish a slave empire in central and south America, as well as in the US. They also refused to recognize northern state laws prohibiting slavery--the Dred Scott decision--decided by a majority southern Supreme Court--said that southern slave owners could keep their slaves even when they travelled through the north. BTW, many southern states refused to allow Abraham Lincoln's name even to appear on their ballots.

It was only after a year and a half of bloody rebellion, showing the south had no intention EVER to compromise on anything to do with slavery and white supremacy, that Lincoln issued his preliminary emancipation proclamation in September 1862. Even this was a half measure--it said the south could keep all its slaves if only they'd stop the rebellion by January 1, 1863. Not a single southern state accepted the offer. Even that was a compromise--slavery continued to exist in non-rebelling "border" states until passage of the 13th amendment in 1865.

So in fact there was compromise after compromise to placate "the slave power," and it only emboldened the white supremacists to want more. Kind of like what happened in Munich in 1938.

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That's Shelby Foote's line from Ken Burn's Civil War renegade000 Oct 2017 #1
Yup gabeana Oct 2017 #17
This may help you a bit: Foote was born in Greenville, Mississippi... VOX Oct 2017 #35
That's how I have JustAnotherGen Oct 2017 #37
Very interesting! We really are a bunch of mutts... VOX Oct 2017 #59
I understand that but the way he said it gabeana Nov 2017 #60
Compromise owning another human being would be? Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #2
Some people say that if the North had let slavery continue, it would have faded in a few decades. Girard442 Oct 2017 #11
So there really was not a compromise. You allow slaves or you do not. No halfway there. Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #14
Or-- MichMary Oct 2017 #38
The book "The Half Has Never Been Told" refutes that idea flyingfysh Oct 2017 #27
The American Civil War: "Rich man's war, poor man's fight." VOX Oct 2017 #31
"A few decades" is one minute, one second, too long. "Some people" aren't fit to breathe. WinkyDink Oct 2017 #34
Some abolitionists had suggested paying some small compensation. raging moderate Oct 2017 #41
Response from Martin Luther King's daughter Bernice: highplainsdem Oct 2017 #3
Ted Lieu's response: The USA exists because President Lincoln did not compromise. highplainsdem Oct 2017 #4
Perfect. dalton99a Oct 2017 #50
Actually, even Lincoln was willing to compromise to some extent Jim Lane Oct 2017 #58
Olbermann's response: John Kelly: Formerly: General. Currently: Whore highplainsdem Oct 2017 #5
yup JI7 Oct 2017 #6
Wow! oasis Oct 2017 #20
+1 MLAA Oct 2017 #28
Yep. dalton99a Oct 2017 #43
FUCK RACIST ASS JOHN KELLY!!! LovingA2andMI Oct 2017 #7
Grave errors led to the Civil War. The North did not believe Sneederbunk Oct 2017 #8
Yes, in President Buchanan and his slaver cronies. raging moderate Oct 2017 #9
My gods Hekate Oct 2017 #10
Kelly is a fucking racist, ignorant asshole. SunSeeker Oct 2017 #12
Ok, Kelly is a fucking asshole njhoneybadger Oct 2017 #13
This racist liar has no credibility. brush Oct 2017 #15
Shouldn't he be at the White House right now Corgigal Oct 2017 #16
4/5ths of a person Nevernose Oct 2017 #18
it was 3/5th and ironically the south wanted it higher and the north wanted it lower. unblock Oct 2017 #21
I think Nevernose meant that 4/5 would have been Kelly's idea of a compromise. highplainsdem Oct 2017 #22
LBN thread about the CNBC article on this: highplainsdem Oct 2017 #19
racist dumbfuck JI7 Oct 2017 #23
yeah, and mostly it was the south that refused to compromise. over slavery. unblock Oct 2017 #24
Chelsea Clinton:There is no "compromise" regarding slavery, ever, & the original 3/5ths compromise highplainsdem Oct 2017 #25
Chelsea is right on...what an articulate, compassionate person. MLAA Oct 2017 #29
i think Kelly is really stupid . i bet if he was black he would have never made it up where he was JI7 Oct 2017 #26
That's true only in the sense that there was no more compromising to be done Algernon Moncrieff Oct 2017 #30
I can't believe thas rational human being accdepts this BS today. Scruffy1 Oct 2017 #32
John Kelly is an arrogant (fill in the blank). WinkyDink Oct 2017 #33
A racist piece of shit who dishonoured the uniform and the fallen. arthritisR_US Oct 2017 #49
Oh come on, hes right. Kablooie Oct 2017 #36
The north DID compromise-- thucythucy Oct 2017 #54
Actually, I didn't know that. Kablooie Oct 2017 #57
Whenever Republicans whine about others not being willing to compromise mnhtnbb Oct 2017 #39
he's a fucking idiot and perfect to be huddled in the white house with trump spanone Oct 2017 #40
could General Kelly bdamomma Oct 2017 #42
I've seen others suggest on Twitter that Kellly might be trying just to create a distraction, but I highplainsdem Oct 2017 #44
can't wait to hear bdamomma Oct 2017 #45
Is he THREATENING us! THREATENING OUR COUNTRY? UNF*CKINGPATRIOTIC! Madam45for2923 Oct 2017 #46
Is there anyone not a dumb ass in that White House? Johonny Oct 2017 #47
Same thing will lead to 45's impeachment. coolsandy Oct 2017 #48
Let's see. We had the Three-Fifths Compromise, which gave the slaveholding states struggle4progress Oct 2017 #51
I need to keep this one. Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #53
The failure to crush white supremacy with reconstruction was the error. David__77 Oct 2017 #52
Best reply to this yet is by CNN commentator Keith Boykin KitSileya Oct 2017 #55
WTF is he talking about? A compromise would have been, "Okay, you can have 2 slaves." Vinca Oct 2017 #56
The sainted Robert E Lee anamnua Nov 2017 #61
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