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Johnny2X2X

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266. Bernie benefited

Reply to Mediumsizedhand (Original post)

Wed Nov 1, 2017, 12:10 PM

Nov 2017

Here's what's absolutely insane, people are talking about this like it's past tense, it's happening right now.

And what's difficult for me as someone who voted for Bernie in the Primaries, but fully supported Hillary when she won is this, if we can't convince Bernie voters they were misled by Russian propaganda about Hillary, how the hell are we going to convince Trump supporters?

The Bernie voters who spread stories about how Hillary somehow rigged the primaries or that there were voting irregularities in Nevada need to come to terms with the fact that they bought and spread fake Russian generated stories against Hillary. These stories took root in the primaries and were total malarkey. And for his part, Bernie didn't do nearly enough to thwart what he knew were bogus claims.

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Sanders:"Americans Are Not Staying Up Every Day Worrying About Russias Interference In Our Election" [View all] Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 OP

I don't know about him Proud Liberal Dem Oct 2017 #1

Pretty important to me, too. As is women, black, Latino and gays as or MORE important than bread Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #4

I Caught That Too Me. Oct 2017 #126

Well, the lovely Russians bought Facebook ads backing Sanders, Stein and Trump snooper2 Oct 2017 #5

Hmmmm.... come to think of it..... Squinch Oct 2017 #18

The Sanders defender who trashes Clinton and the TheDebbieDee Oct 2017 #71

Oh, that hadn't occurred to me. Good point. nt Honeycombe8 Oct 2017 #181

How come I cant say what you just said Eliot Rosewater Oct 2017 #84

I remember something you said once like that. Honeycombe8 Oct 2017 #184

Sanders worries me too. Sometimes it seems he takes contrarian stances just to be different brush Oct 2017 #65

Exactly my thoughts. These aren't stand-alone issues, they're all inter-related.... George II Oct 2017 #114

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I'm pretty concerned about it. Bleacher Creature Oct 2017 #2

I find it hard to believe he said a lot of this. NCTraveler Oct 2017 #3

Well, him saying essentially we do need to deal with "identity politics"... moriah Oct 2017 #45

Taken out of context, of course. DLevine Oct 2017 #47

"by only focusing on the Russian investigation while Trump pushes his agenda" NCTraveler Oct 2017 #54

He did not attack Democrats. DLevine Oct 2017 #72

He did falsely attack democrats. NCTraveler Oct 2017 #79

Where did I quote anyone? I paraphrased. DLevine Oct 2017 #87

You are more right wrong angrychair Oct 2017 #69

The context was provided to me above. It made it even worse. NCTraveler Oct 2017 #75

I dont know angrychair Oct 2017 #118

From those comments, he seems to be out of touch with the average American and.... George II Oct 2017 #120

I will never understand... NCTraveler Oct 2017 #121

It absolutely needs to be dealt with. It is not our biggest issue. Corporate meddling in our JCanete Nov 2017 #236

"Corporate meddling in our elections" came about because of republicans being elected and... George II Nov 2017 #256

exposure does not equate to effectiveness, for starters. And corporations aren't exactly beholden to JCanete Nov 2017 #269

"Russia didn't bring us Trump," We need to stop this irresponsible denial of reality. R B Garr Nov 2017 #278

what the fuck do you think CNN and Fox news and most corporate media has been doing? So JCanete Nov 2017 #281

A lot of people don't watch cable news like CNN and Fox, and there has been plenty of R B Garr Nov 2017 #282

"Ordinary Americans" seems to have a very narrow definition. ehrnst Nov 2017 #250

That stood out for me too... Caliman73 Nov 2017 #265

I watched the part of the video. Honeycombe8 Oct 2017 #187

Whether the average Joe is aware or not, it is that important to our Democracy and Sanders should Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #189

Thanks. NCTraveler Nov 2017 #225

Differentiating the "average American" from female Americans, Americans of color ehrnst Nov 2017 #251

We need to get to washington and protest all night outside white house moda253 Oct 2017 #6

I thought this was Sarah Sanders for a second. joshcryer Oct 2017 #7

I did too. It's a Trumpian talking point. Squinch Oct 2017 #15

I haven't slept well for almost a year. lagomorph777 Oct 2017 #27

We need to make it absolutely clear to them that republicans are robbing them blind and have smirkymonkey Oct 2017 #42

Thank you! Great start on the language: "Republicans are robbing you" lagomorph777 Oct 2017 #56

I think we need to stress that todays Republican Party has been corrupted. Bluepinky Nov 2017 #214

You are right. I am going to change my language. Mediumsizedhand Nov 2017 #215

Wait, so he is calling me a non-American?? malchickiwick Oct 2017 #8

The FUCK WE AIN'T MariaCSR Oct 2017 #9

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I agree with him 100% Ferrets are Cool Oct 2017 #10

According to the article, Bernie never said we have to do both. He never mentioned impeachment. Squinch Oct 2017 #22

Well, he's the senator: HE should be concerned even if the average person is not frazzled Oct 2017 #33

The first thing he said in the interview was how important the Mueller investigation is. nt DLevine Oct 2017 #50

The Mueller investigation can only have significance if the people care about the issue frazzled Oct 2017 #102

I'm guessing the ones who disagree are well fed. Cobalt Violet Oct 2017 #100

I'm guessing the ones who disagree take it seriously when a hostile foreign power puts Squinch Oct 2017 #154

+1 Jamaal510 Oct 2017 #203

We are doing both. If Sanders only wants to focus on one delisen Oct 2017 #119

I truly have no interest in what Sen. Sander says. He is not a Democrat and as another Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #149

I'd say you are both wrong, then. Adrahil Oct 2017 #162

Duh. For people who have to battle just to live, their priorities are different. phleshdef Oct 2017 #11

Trump/Russia is actually going to put millions more people in that category of "people who have to Squinch Oct 2017 #155

It keeps me up at night, too! pandr32 Oct 2017 #12

WTF? Yes, Americans are. A hostile foreign power installed their puppet president to Squinch Oct 2017 #13

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Jesus Christ Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2017 #23

Hes 100% wrong. Hornedfrog1985 Oct 2017 #16

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They had plans Hornedfrog1985 Nov 2017 #231

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Yep Hornedfrog1985 Nov 2017 #233

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Bwahahaha Hornedfrog1985 Nov 2017 #235

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Nah, we're really hoping that billionaires get a tax break. NightWatcher Oct 2017 #17

So, he is sanctioning that the Russian interference continue. Evergreen Emerald Oct 2017 #19

Exactly Hornedfrog1985 Oct 2017 #20

No, he is not sanctioning Russian interference. DLevine Oct 2017 #52

That might be true, but Americans should be focused on Russian interference. Vinca Oct 2017 #21

You have to forgive Senator Sanders..... virtualobserver Oct 2017 #24

We cant win an election in 2018 if our votes dont count, Hornedfrog1985 Oct 2017 #25

"You have to forgive Senator Sanders....." NCTraveler Oct 2017 #28

no, not dismissal..... virtualobserver Oct 2017 #82

Start with the language: "...tried to.."?? Really, isn't it obvious they succeeded? lagomorph777 Oct 2017 #31

It is not obvious. virtualobserver Oct 2017 #58

Russian ads (according to what Facebook ALONE admits to) were shown to 126,000,000 lagomorph777 Oct 2017 #59

"shown" does not translate to "bang" virtualobserver Oct 2017 #66

Are you serious? This is the first you are hearing of bots and fake accounts? lagomorph777 Oct 2017 #70

I understand that they exist..... virtualobserver Oct 2017 #76

The combo of Tweets and FB posts pushed real looking fake stories to the top of google searches to bettyellen Oct 2017 #130

+1, they can't accept any actual reality that does not fit their narrative blaming R B Garr Oct 2017 #99

The $70 million spent by Trump on Facebook was thousands of times more powerful virtualobserver Oct 2017 #186

This is just more excuses and sidestepping reality. R B Garr Nov 2017 #213

What are you talking about? virtualobserver Nov 2017 #217

You are trying to divert away from the reason for the R B Garr Nov 2017 #220

What Russia did does matter, because it was a foreign power trying to interfere with our election.. virtualobserver Nov 2017 #226

No, even his own words dont match what you said. R B Garr Nov 2017 #228

To ignore human rights, women's rights and civil rights mcar Oct 2017 #32

if Trump's performance isn't enough to get out the base.... virtualobserver Oct 2017 #35

Agree mcar Oct 2017 #39

People for whom the economic struggle requires so much attention virtualobserver Oct 2017 #62

But people for whom the struggle for equal rights mcar Oct 2017 #90

they also have ordinary problems, but no, they are not ordinary virtualobserver Oct 2017 #147

The Russians didn't merely "try". They succeeded. N/T lapucelle Oct 2017 #125

Russians influenced the elections is a fact. JI7 Oct 2017 #138

We won't get the results we want bdamomma Oct 2017 #146

Blaming the Russians PDittie Nov 2017 #247

I don't think his advice as to what will win elections is anything that really works. I have worked Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #150

Tell that to President Ford's Second term and the 1974 congressional elections nt stevenleser Oct 2017 #170

basing your entire winning strategy on a Trump resignation is a risky proposition virtualobserver Oct 2017 #174

I'm not basing an entire strategy on that. But it is comforting to know the history. stevenleser Oct 2017 #201

I do worry though virtualobserver Nov 2017 #210

C'mon Bernie, that's what Hillary ran on njhoneybadger Oct 2017 #26

+ a million. Wwcd Oct 2017 #78

Who, exactly, does the Senator define as 'ordinary Americans?' mcar Oct 2017 #29

I'm guessing straight blue collar white men, but I'm just guessing. n/t Tarheel_Dem Oct 2017 #132

That does seem to be it mcar Oct 2017 #140

Without Russian interference liquid diamond Oct 2017 #30

How far would he have gone in the primaries RandySF Oct 2017 #34

Don't know but those who cost us the elections were knee deep in facebook propaganda. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #151

Yeah, I am. traladeda Oct 2017 #36

Bernie will focus where Bernie wants to focus Freethinker65 Oct 2017 #37

Fuck him! The whole reason we are in this mess in the first place is because smirkymonkey Oct 2017 #38

Isn't the expression, "Staying up all NIGHT" this "staying up all day" makes little sense to me? FreeStateDemocrat Oct 2017 #40

Shut up, Bernie. DavidDvorkin Oct 2017 #41

We really are through the Looking Glass. GoCubsGo Oct 2017 #43

Democrats damn sure better talk about the Russia scandal standingtall Oct 2017 #44

If Trump cheated, then Clinton really won fallrey Oct 2017 #51

+1 lunamagica Nov 2017 #219

Conspiracy/subversion with/by a foreign power influencing sprinkleeninow Oct 2017 #85

LMAO. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2017 #46

Sen Sanders,"Do NOT speak for me & I am part of that Democratic Party Wwcd Oct 2017 #48

If "ordinary Americans" aren't women, "Latinos," "blacks," and "people in the gay community," WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2017 #49

IKR !?!?!? People who aren't threatened by Red Dons Kremlin KKKlan can afford to be blase' uponit7771 Oct 2017 #63

White men, of course. smirkymonkey Oct 2017 #68

Who's left? Straight white men like me. comradebillyboy Oct 2017 #74

Thank you for saying this. Eliot Rosewater Oct 2017 #88

Wrong Bernie. MontanaMama Oct 2017 #53

No on Russian sanctions. His campaign manager with ties to Manafort tweets there was no collusion, MrsCoffee Oct 2017 #55

Good grief. I thought it was Huckleberry. nolabear Oct 2017 #57

Obviously concerned about what DURHAM D Oct 2017 #60

++++++ infinity MrsCoffee Oct 2017 #93

This message was self-deleted by its author Wwcd Oct 2017 #94

Hmmmm...interesting...and so disturbing lunamagica Nov 2017 #222

AH, absolutely! They both should show us their taxes. R B Garr Oct 2017 #116

Follow the money. yardwork Nov 2017 #243

This message was self-deleted by its author Wwcd Nov 2017 #280

shit with something this stupid DonCoquixote Oct 2017 #61

don't know about Sen. Sanders, but i for one have lost a lot of sleep over it 0rganism Oct 2017 #64

It's time for one side of the fence or the other Watchfoxheadexplodes Oct 2017 #67

If they aren't, then it means people like Bernie Sanders are FAILING with their messaging. pnwmom Oct 2017 #73

They're not? Well, they should. He's right on certain points, of course. DFW Oct 2017 #77

He does not speak for many of us. Never has and never will. bluepen Oct 2017 #80

Thank you. Eliot Rosewater Oct 2017 #89

Speak for yourself Bernie nt Progressive dog Oct 2017 #81

Oh my GOD Eliot Rosewater Oct 2017 #83

My exact reaction, too! R B Garr Oct 2017 #101

He's more or less correct, but... Garrett78 Oct 2017 #86

He didn't dismiss the scandal. The first thing he talked about was the investigation, DLevine Oct 2017 #92

The quote in the OP suggests dismissiveness. Garrett78 Oct 2017 #95

The OP is taking his remarks out of context. DLevine Oct 2017 #111

I can't watch it right now but will try to later. Garrett78 Oct 2017 #115

What you propose is what he did. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2017 #96

I'm not able to watch the video right now, but the quote in the OP suggests otherwise. Garrett78 Oct 2017 #112

The very first word out of his mout are "it's a big deal" -- meaning the investigation/indictment Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2017 #122

ffs, the Democrats are not putting all their eggs in one basket. That was just R B Garr Oct 2017 #123

In a way he's correct..... George II Oct 2017 #124

Americans were not initially "worried" about the Watergate cover-up until the shit hit the fan. FreeStateDemocrat Oct 2017 #91

Well there are about 65 million of us who have been worried about it since Nov. 8th. MrsCoffee Oct 2017 #98

Yup, and after that Democrats won the 1974 congressional elections in a landslide and prevented stevenleser Oct 2017 #171

I agree with him. Cobalt Violet Oct 2017 #97

Because people can only be worried about one thing at a time? MrsCoffee Oct 2017 #104

I didn't say that. Cobalt Violet Oct 2017 #106

"I guess if you aren't worried about your next meal it's not going to keep you up at night." MrsCoffee Oct 2017 #109

I worry about all that. But my worry has increased tenfold since the Russian interference in the lunamagica Nov 2017 #223

Arghhhhhhhhh! MyNameGoesHere Oct 2017 #103

This message was self-deleted by its author George II Oct 2017 #105

This American is... Cadfael Oct 2017 #107

legitimate elections are somewhat necessary to fix the other problems, IMO. nt TheFrenchRazor Oct 2017 #108

How does he know that? Many of the people I know are worried about Russian interference.... George II Oct 2017 #110

I am MaryMagdaline Oct 2017 #113

Me too, welcome to DU grantcart Oct 2017 #129

We are not ordinary, Senator Sanders. delisen Oct 2017 #117

As always, big on talk but short on details.... Blue_Tires Oct 2017 #127

I hope the Republicans don't exploit that sound bite in their 2018 ads. N/T lapucelle Oct 2017 #128

No doubt they will. NurseJackie Oct 2017 #133

The last couple days we got up early to check the news lame54 Oct 2017 #131

They must be smoking some good Covfefe! Initech Oct 2017 #134

These threads have value PDittie Oct 2017 #135

Bernie has grown out of touch, it seems? kentuck Oct 2017 #136

I do not see the Bernie of 2016 posturing for 2020 any differently. Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #168

I disagree. Me, ordinary American, I worry about Russian influences on 2016 and future elections. Madam45for2923 Oct 2017 #137

Wrong. milestogo Oct 2017 #139

Who? ismnotwasm Oct 2017 #141

If your house is overrun with termites destroying your roof and foundation... WePurrsevere Oct 2017 #142

Perfect analogy. Who could argue against that? lunamagica Nov 2017 #224

With all the outrage against Russian interference, why not point more of it at right wingnut diva77 Oct 2017 #143

Well, one could concisely say lapucelle Oct 2017 #183

There are at least 52 Senators who should be a higher priority for receiving diva77 Oct 2017 #191

I wasn't aware that we're required to prioritize our critiques. lapucelle Oct 2017 #196

sigh. JHan Oct 2017 #144

Bernie don't fall for this fallacy please.. people can care about different things simultaneously. JHan Oct 2017 #145

I have to wonder sometimes if he wants Democrats to lose. Anyone who has been observant Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #148

He is posturing for 2020. It behooves us to listen to what he is saying. He has been consistent. Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #156

Consistently wrong...he has a particular view point...I agree with much of it... but it simply won't Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #259

Perhaps he was expressing the idea that the literal first priority is to eat guillaumeb Oct 2017 #152

He is talking middle class, that is not what he was talking or it would be the poor and homeless. Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #157

We all have the same needs. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #176

Are you sugggesting the middle class has the same needs as the homeless? No, stating. Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #177

Are you suggesting that we all do not need to eat? guillaumeb Oct 2017 #178

Two different worlds. I am willing to admit that sitting in my privilege and what makes me a proud Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #180

It's funny how Sen Sanders and his supporters often say things TheDebbieDee Oct 2017 #153

I am seeing some confused thing Sarah Sanders said this. Telling. Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #158

You will NEVER create an economy that works for all of us as long as the GOP is in power PERIOD! coolsandy Oct 2017 #159

I do not think they care; with posturing for 2020, that matters. Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #161

Fuck him. Russian interference is an existential threat to the Republic. Adrahil Oct 2017 #160

Impeached Trump can't attack the environment, women, or minorities. krispos42 Oct 2017 #163

+1. Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #166

He is reminding us that even if the Trump and his administration lands in prison. aikoaiko Oct 2017 #164

And the priority is not women, gays, Latinos and blacks. Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #167

That's not what he said, but get your smear on if you wish. aikoaiko Oct 2017 #172

"MORE important." Bread and butter is MORE important than women, blacks, Latinos, Gays losing life. Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #175

In the paragraph you provided, he said social justice and economic justice are more important... aikoaiko Oct 2017 #190

Bread and butter is more important than women, blacks, Latino and gays. I disagree. Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #192

Do you not think women, blacks, Latinos, and gays are also concerned with economics? aikoaiko Oct 2017 #193

Right now, I am pretty damn sure they are concerned about their lives. Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #194

I think the issues of POC and other minorities are more complex than that. aikoaiko Oct 2017 #195

I think the Dreamers might see it as that simple, their lives. Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #199

Good thing YOU are here to explain all of this ChubbyStar Oct 2017 #204

You make no sense. Being informed, being a Liberal Democrat is not contingent on time spent on Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #205

Of course ChubbyStar Oct 2017 #206

Lying about Democrats does not help people with R B Garr Nov 2017 #212

I don't think Bernie is lying. As a Democrat I can't say we're perfect? I welcome his criticism. aikoaiko Nov 2017 #245

You are just proving again why they targeted him. Wanting R B Garr Nov 2017 #246

RBGarr, Democrats and allies have been criticizing Democrats for a long time prior to 2016 aikoaiko Nov 2017 #257

Thats just an excuse, and the GOP thanks you. R B Garr Nov 2017 #258

What exactly did he say that was so irresponsible? aikoaiko Nov 2017 #260

Loyalty to his world view is no excuse to malign Democrats. Reality is that he R B Garr Nov 2017 #261

So you have nothing when you said his comments in this thread were irresponsible. aikoaiko Nov 2017 #263

His comments are in this thread, lol! Thats what this R B Garr Nov 2017 #268

Its not a denial of reality. We have legitimate disagreements about the value of criticism. aikoaiko Nov 2017 #270

Now all of a sudden you can remember that Bernie criticizes Democrats. R B Garr Nov 2017 #271

So you now you admit they're criticisms and not smears. Thank goodness you've come to your senses. aikoaiko Nov 2017 #273

You are so bad at this, yourself. Especially the part where you don't read the thread R B Garr Nov 2017 #274

Hes wrong on this. TDale313 Oct 2017 #165

Is he really this dense? lunamagica Oct 2017 #169

I haven't had a decent nights sleep since last November. nini Oct 2017 #173

He never passes up an opportunity to take pot shots at the Democratic Party. NT Bleacher Creature Oct 2017 #179

"He never passes up an opportunity to take pot shots at the Democratic Party" Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #182

Sorry, Bernie, but the slide into fascism does keep me up at night. VOX Oct 2017 #185

I didnt have any grey hairs until this year. Hornedfrog1985 Oct 2017 #188

Polling backs this unfortunately. Most Americans are dumbshits Arazi Oct 2017 #197

Who is losing sight of creating a more equal economy? betsuni Oct 2017 #198

I thought this was Huckabee-Sanders. herding cats Oct 2017 #200

+1 betsuni Nov 2017 #211

+++++++++++++++++++++ JHan Nov 2017 #216

Yep. (nt) ehrnst Nov 2017 #249

well senator sanders has always been stuck on one speed. drray23 Oct 2017 #202

Bernies right. Open enrollment for insurance is 11/1/17 to 12/15/17- we can multitask, & see it all. Sunlei Nov 2017 #207

You Forgot to Add "Sarah" Before the Sanders TomCADem Nov 2017 #208

"Your issues aren't important" ecstatic Nov 2017 #209

Wow. Sanders (done with the sappy "Bernie") thinks the bedrock of our DEMOCRACY should be second WinkyDink Nov 2017 #221

realclearpolitics via Breitbart melman Nov 2017 #229

That is a video of Bernie's interview with Seth Meyers on Late Night. pnwmom Nov 2017 #237

"Interesting that Breitbart wants to spread them." melman Nov 2017 #240

Yeah, that's interesting. Breitbart aims at "ordinary Americans," too -- pnwmom Nov 2017 #241

I feel that way about The Intercept and Greenwald. (nt) ehrnst Nov 2017 #248

Sorry, Bernie, but I DO. Because of this interference, the rightful POTUS is in New York catbyte Nov 2017 #230

Oh fuck off, Bernie. Americans vote for personalities Azathoth Nov 2017 #242

"More important..." ehrnst Nov 2017 #244

Sanders gets standard adversary op research treatment by some at DU Tom Rinaldo Nov 2017 #252

Yup. nt DLevine Nov 2017 #253

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True enough. During primaries Democrats ARE adversaries to each other Tom Rinaldo Nov 2017 #264

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Mr. Sanders is on the Senate Democratic Leadership Team. By definition, not an adversary n/t Tom Rinaldo Nov 2017 #275

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2 am tweet: "Bernie agrees with me 100% that the Russia investigation is fake news. dalton99a Nov 2017 #254

Disagree Bradical79 Nov 2017 #255

Bernie benefited Johnny2X2X Nov 2017 #266

So the system really IS rigged, but now it doesn't matter? ucrdem Nov 2017 #267

Bernie should be looking to the near future: 2018 to be exact... AntiFascist Nov 2017 #276

This American cares a lot BainsBane Nov 2017 #277