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In reply to the discussion: Can we admit finally that sexism was a huge problem in both 2008 and 2016 elections [View all]JHan
(10,173 posts)143. No, because this whole Iraq thing..
is once again judging her to different standard.
She can't make mistakes - others aren't hounded over the same behavior. It's the biggest double standard in politics for which gender is just one explanation where she is concerned. It explains the Crime bill, her taking the blame for a whole bunch of shit her male peers aren't subjected to..
Henry Louise Gates covered this in the 90's..and when I first read it, it made me think.
Like horse-racing, Hillary-hating has become one of those national pastimes which unite the élite and the lumpen. Serious accusations have, of course, been levelled against the Presidents wife, but its usually what people think of her that determines the credence and the weight they give to the accusations, rather than the reverse. At times, she herself sounds at a loss to explain the level of animosity toward her. I apparently remind some people of their mother-in-law or their boss, or something, she says. She laughs, but she isnt joking, exactly.
The remark chimes with something Ive been told by the redoubtable Sally Quinn, whoin part because shes a frequent contributor to the Washington Post, in part because shes the wife of the Posts legendary editor Ben Bradleemust herself count as a figure in the so-called Washington establishment. Theres this old joke about the farmer whose crops fail, she says. One year, hes wiped out by a blizzard, and the next year theres a rainstorm, and the next year theres a drought, and so on every year. Finally, hes completely bankrupthes lost everything. He says, Why, Lord? Why, why me? And the Lord says, I dont know. Theres just something about you that pisses me off. She pauses, then says, Thats the problemthere s just something about her that pisses people off. This is the reaction that she elicits from people.
The remark chimes with something Ive been told by the redoubtable Sally Quinn, whoin part because shes a frequent contributor to the Washington Post, in part because shes the wife of the Posts legendary editor Ben Bradleemust herself count as a figure in the so-called Washington establishment. Theres this old joke about the farmer whose crops fail, she says. One year, hes wiped out by a blizzard, and the next year theres a rainstorm, and the next year theres a drought, and so on every year. Finally, hes completely bankrupthes lost everything. He says, Why, Lord? Why, why me? And the Lord says, I dont know. Theres just something about you that pisses me off. She pauses, then says, Thats the problemthere s just something about her that pisses people off. This is the reaction that she elicits from people.
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/1996/02/26/hating-hillary
And this article references the Gates' analysis within the context of 2016...
Pence can make a mistake. Trump can make a stunning array of them in the span of 24 hours. But if Clinton makes a mistake, she is critiqued, verbally abused and sent to the fictional prison that Trump and Christie and crew have erected for her in their troubling imaginations.
The disastrous Iraq vote notwithstanding all Republicans senators but one voted in favor, and 29 Democratic senators voted for while 21 voted against whats noteworthy is that Hillary is not entitled to make mistakes. If this negation of the flawed human condition resonates with you, youre probably a woman. Anne-Marie Slaughter, Debora Spar and others have written eloquently about the damaging expectation made of women to be perfect. The most successful woman in American politics is definitely not exempt.
The disastrous Iraq vote notwithstanding all Republicans senators but one voted in favor, and 29 Democratic senators voted for while 21 voted against whats noteworthy is that Hillary is not entitled to make mistakes. If this negation of the flawed human condition resonates with you, youre probably a woman. Anne-Marie Slaughter, Debora Spar and others have written eloquently about the damaging expectation made of women to be perfect. The most successful woman in American politics is definitely not exempt.
http://forward.com/sisterhood/345928/this-is-whats-really-behind-hatred-for-hillary-clinton/
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Can we admit finally that sexism was a huge problem in both 2008 and 2016 elections [View all]
dsc
Oct 2017
OP
She lost by a tiny margin. Sexism could certainly have tipped the race to him. nt
pnwmom
Oct 2017
#66
In 2008 Clinton's enthusiastic collaboration with GWB was still in very recent memory
Sen. Walter Sobchak
Oct 2017
#91
I don't accuse her of lying, I accuse her of being completely tone deaf
Sen. Walter Sobchak
Oct 2017
#125
So Hillary Clinton, a female, "married herself to Bush...."? What do you think....
George II
Oct 2017
#124
Why would you post such a polarizing statement? It's not Obama's fault that Trump's president.
Ken Burch
Oct 2017
#74
Several of you blame the party without any proof that this is what the problem was.
stevenleser
Oct 2017
#107
I disagree totally. No one could've beaten Obama in 2008. It was something like I had never seen...
Honeycombe8
Oct 2017
#132
Barack Obama won the US Senate seat in an election in 2004 . Yes he was also a state senator
lunasun
Oct 2017
#57
No, thousands of slaves weren't put on crosses and crucified like in Rome.
former9thward
Oct 2017
#75
Wow. I didn't remember all that. It's chilling what those media guys said. Chilling.
Honeycombe8
Oct 2017
#133
I voted for Obama in 2008 primary, in part, because I thought Clinton ran a despicable campaign.
David__77
Oct 2017
#7
well, just accepting sexism isn't part of my game plan, that's for sure. nt
TheFrenchRazor
Oct 2017
#24
If you think that Hillary's message was "Vote for me, I'm female" you were obviously not paying
lunamagica
Oct 2017
#81
This is simply the lazy, non thinking, non factual attack so often used on Clinton that can in no
Mediumsizedhand
Oct 2017
#84
I know. It's baffling how someone can post such blanket, absurd, untrue statements and get away
lunamagica
Oct 2017
#88
I didn't say it was her only message, or even that it was her message at all.
meadowlander
Oct 2017
#108
Perhaps you don't understand the difference between "a huge problem" and "the only problem?"
ehrnst
Oct 2017
#112
Admit or not, it is a reality. Not a tough one. As the hate for Obama stemmed from bigotry,
Mediumsizedhand
Oct 2017
#45
I agree about Obama. No one could've beaten him. But sexism was involved...
Honeycombe8
Oct 2017
#134
Oh great, let's not re-fight the 2016 primary, let's go all the way back to 2008!
X_Digger
Oct 2017
#69