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Jim Lane

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46. What you link to doesn't undercut Brazile's revelations
Fri Nov 3, 2017, 02:09 AM
Nov 2017

You say that Wikileaks release "the" joint fundraising agreement. But what you link to is quite obviously not the final agreement; it's unsigned and has numerous blanks to be filled in. Assuming the accuracy of the Wikileaks disclosure -- an assumption that many people here were unwilling to make when what Wikileaks disclosed was not to their liking -- I conclude that this document was circulated at one point, but it's clearly not the final agreement. Therefore, there's no basis for saying that this leak "doesn't square with Donna's telling of the tale."

You write, "The party was not under HRC's control during the primaries and the general. The party was under President Obama's control." That's typical of the excessive defensiveness we've seen on so many of the posts on this subject. The main point is that the Democratic Party secretly entered into an unfair agreement that violated its own charter. I'm not inclined to blame Obama -- I very much doubt that he knew about it. Principal culpability would be with the DNC Chair, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, although other DNC officers obviously knew of it as well.

Evaluating the Clinton campaign's action is murkier. On the one hand, the campaign obviously had no obligation of neutrality, as the DNC had. A campaign is free to, indeed is expected to, pursue the interests of its candidate. On the other hand, the campaign knew or should have known that the agreement was, at best, ethically dubious on the DNC's part, and that it would cause harm to the Democratic Party if it ever became public knowledge.

Anyway, the Clinton campaign is over. There's not much point in trying to decide how much criticism, if any, the campaign deserves. It's the conduct of the other party to the agreement, the DNC, that should be the focus now.

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This message was self-deleted by its author Wwcd Nov 2017 #1
He chose not to use it. He did sign it. (nt) ehrnst Nov 2017 #6
Sanders has been working with the party for decades. NCTraveler Nov 2017 #2
+1 n/t FSogol Nov 2017 #4
+1000 (nt) ehrnst Nov 2017 #7
Its in Muellers hands so we wait. Wwcd Nov 2017 #8
A lot more than that. NCTraveler Nov 2017 #9
+.. Wwcd Nov 2017 #10
+ a million! lunamagica Nov 2017 #12
++++perfectly stated. Loyalty to his talking points is not a Democratic value. R B Garr Nov 2017 #13
that isn't factual...that is a slant. Coalition building is powerful, but it can come with dilution JCanete Nov 2017 #18
It's actually factual and known. NCTraveler Nov 2017 #19
Its still slant, because you act like coalition bulidng for Clinton wasn't empowering her own place JCanete Nov 2017 #20
I never said such a thing. NCTraveler Nov 2017 #21
you are defining one person as doing work towards goals, and the other as just saving his own skin. JCanete Nov 2017 #22
Yes x infinity pandr32 Nov 2017 #28
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2017 #35
Don't be bullied into not having this discussion. wasupaloopa Nov 2017 #3
Shhhhhhhh Me. Nov 2017 #5
MSNBC just covered this. Bernie failed to perform. R B Garr Nov 2017 #11
I think this is more about Brazille and Schultz than Clinton and Sanders, they can both go to hell. phleshdef Nov 2017 #14
Hmmmm, thx for the context uponit7771 Nov 2017 #15
Well, how about that? mcar Nov 2017 #16
K&R highplainsdem Nov 2017 #17
Im not getting why she worded things in that excerpt the way she did ismnotwasm Nov 2017 #23
You call it "a similar agreement"? That's absolutely laughable. Jim Lane Nov 2017 #24
He never became the nominee, did he?? boston bean Nov 2017 #25
In 2015 Clinton wasn't the nominee, either. Jim Lane Nov 2017 #26
Seems there were two agreements. Check yo facts. boston bean Nov 2017 #27
OK, I've checked the facts. I'm right. Here's a link. Jim Lane Nov 2017 #29
You need to broaden ur horizons. boston bean Nov 2017 #32
A narrative is not a fact. lapucelle Nov 2017 #44
What you link to doesn't undercut Brazile's revelations Jim Lane Nov 2017 #46
Facts are not "excessive defensiveness" lapucelle Nov 2017 #53
The defensiveness is in taking everything to be about Clinton Jim Lane Nov 2017 #55
I wasn't aware of any "screeching". lapucelle Nov 2017 #58
Why would? sheshe2 Nov 2017 #33
O'Malley (unlike Hillary Clinton) was a lifelong Democrat. Was he offered a similar agreement? Jim Lane Nov 2017 #34
Pow melman Nov 2017 #36
I see you didn't answer my question. sheshe2 Nov 2017 #37
lol melman Nov 2017 #38
Profound statement. sheshe2 Nov 2017 #39
What more needs to be said? melman Nov 2017 #40
Neither you or Jim responded to what I wrote... sheshe2 Nov 2017 #41
If not getting questions answered were a crime... Jim Lane Nov 2017 #42
Great start and a really cool dig at a DEMOCRAT! sheshe2 Nov 2017 #43
It was a DEMOCRAT who popularized the phrase "an inconvenient truth". Jim Lane Nov 2017 #45
And look what happened to him...lost the election. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #49
Oh, right, I forgot. Therefore we should ignore everything he says. Good point. (n/t) Jim Lane Nov 2017 #56
No, but I wouldn't bet he can guide us to a win...I blame Nader mostly for his loss...but Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #61
Bear in mind the context. I wasn't quoting Gore on electoral strategy. Jim Lane Nov 2017 #62
What facts? From what I can tell... the 'facst' were either out and out lied about or Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #63
Oh and the article was bullshit...votes determine who wins any primary ...not the DNC first of all. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #50
Why was DNC virtually bankrupt and how did delisen Nov 2017 #57
She is a former Goldwater girl... KitSileya Nov 2017 #54
Here's the context: I support the Democratic Party's rule of neutrality. Jim Lane Nov 2017 #59
Great post! Spiranthes Nov 2017 #30
Good, yes, get all the information out. David__77 Nov 2017 #31
And he fucked over all the state parties because he refused to concede KitSileya Nov 2017 #47
There is that...and we have the Congress from hell now. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #51
+1 uponit7771 Nov 2017 #52
Unforgivable. NurseJackie Nov 2017 #60
Yep - that's what Brazile probably didn't intend to reinforce. ehrnst Nov 2017 #64
Agreed Gothmog Nov 2017 #65
That article was total bullshit. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #48
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