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ehrnst

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Fri Nov 3, 2017, 08:05 AM Nov 2017

Brazile book excerpt may describe Joint Financing Agreement *after* primary was won [View all]

In the absence of the signed, dated August 2015 agreement that Brazile claimed to find, this is the most likely scenario.

I submit Brazile’s excerpt about Clinton campaign control over the DNC is very likely in reference to an updated 2016 agreement entered after Clinton won the primary election. All signs are that the 2015 agreement had no provisions that gave the Clinton campaign unusual control over the DNC, and this is supported by supposed document leaks from last year.

News articles in August 2015 reported on the HFA JFA
https://www.politico.com/story/2015/08/dnc-democratic-committee-hillary-clinton-fundraising-agreement-2016-121813
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/08/27/clinton-campaign-signs-joint-fundraising-agreement-with-dnc/?utm_term=.bb7fa6bb2ffa

*No reference to provisions by which the Clinton campaign had control over DNC messaging or staffing*

The Bernie campaign signed a JFA in November 2015
https://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/bernie-sanders-2016-fundraising-dnc-215559
At various points described as the same or similar

The chief purpose of the agreements is to facilitate personal donations to the greater cause of the campaign in excess of limits on donation to a single entity through a loophole the Supreme Court opened in McCutcheon vs FEC striking down aggregate donation limits. Portions of funds must be segregated and reserved for the general campaign, whoever is the winner

This basic pattern disadvantaged Sanders over Clinton to the extent his campaign had far fewer large donors to take advantage of the arrangement

Starting in April 2016, the Sanders campaign loudly complained about the financing provisions of the HFA JFA. It did fundraise from small donors with this line
https://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-dem-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/04/sanders-clinton-dnc-campaign-finance-laws-222102
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/sanders-accuses-dnc-clinton-campaign-illegal-scheme
https://berniesanders.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Bernie-2016-Letter-to-DNC-1.pdf
https://berniesanders.com/press-release/clinton-dnc-joint-fundraising-raises-serious-campaign-finance-concerns/


More complaints about the fundraising in May 2016
https://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/clinton-fundraising-leaves-little-for-state-parties-222670
https://berniesanders.com/press-release/politico-exposes-clinton-campaign-money-laundering-scheme/

I have not found that any actual violation was ever sustained. Our campaign finance laws are terrible after the Supreme Court gutted controls

Later in the year, a purported dump of John Podesta’s emails includes an unexecuted JFA with no language about control




Clinton delegate count guarantees victory by June 7, 2016, widely reported

On Jun 9, CNN reports talks on a new JFA to start using funds for the general

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/16/politics/hillary-clinton-campaign-dnc/index.html

“Hillary Clinton, in an effort to entirely turn her focus to the general election, will begin raising money for the general election and Democratic National Convention on Wednesday by filing paperwork on a new joint fundraising agreement with the Democratic Party, according to a spokesman.”

On Jun 16, CNN reports HFA has taken control of party
http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/16/politics/hillary-clinton-campaign-dnc/index.html
”Hillary Clinton's campaign is taking the reins of the Democratic National Committee, installing a new top official on Thursday to oversee the party's day-to-day operations through the general election…."


https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/11/2/1712064/-Chasing-links-Brazile-book-excerpt-may-describe-Joint-Financing-Agreement-after-primary-was-won
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IF she's wrong, I hope they hammer the crap out of her reputation, for the damage she would OnDoutside Nov 2017 #1
The debunking of the Comey letter didn't convince a lot of people ehrnst Nov 2017 #3
So true, though if this story is bull, the DNC need to jump all over it ASAP. OnDoutside Nov 2017 #4
Probably need to do it in a way that doesn't make some people ehrnst Nov 2017 #7
You're never going to make everyone happy (clearly !), but if this is false, they need to get the OnDoutside Nov 2017 #12
I think that the financial officer she talked to, Gary Gensler ehrnst Nov 2017 #22
There is already an outrage machine against Tom Perez who wasn't even there R B Garr Nov 2017 #17
Here's the memo ehrnst Nov 2017 #41
Thanks, so Brazile conflated the two agreements. OnDoutside Nov 2017 #42
Exactly. People have been given the tool they need to believe something bad happened. StevieM Nov 2017 #39
And here's a gratuitous kicking from the Orange One OnDoutside Nov 2017 #2
Our Revolution is also milking it for every penny. ehrnst Nov 2017 #5
I saw that as well RockaFowler Nov 2017 #9
Seems, some are giving Dotard his talking points. sheshe2 Nov 2017 #18
All of the sudden, Brazile is DT's most trusted source after vilifying her during the campaign. ehrnst Nov 2017 #20
The reaction of the Orange Toxin treestar Nov 2017 #50
Donna Brazile..... FarPoint Nov 2017 #6
Too late EffieBlack Nov 2017 #8
It would be very awkward for her publisher if she doesn't produce the document ehrnst Nov 2017 #13
Yeap, I wouldn't doubt it at all uponit7771 Nov 2017 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author ehrnst Nov 2017 #11
Good information here. A lot to digest, but... NurseJackie Nov 2017 #14
The biggest implication is her own words... ehrnst Nov 2017 #19
This is the real problem that should have been the focus loyalsister Nov 2017 #15
+1 Snotcicles Nov 2017 #21
She Needs To Leave The DNC Me. Nov 2017 #16
+1 dalton99a Nov 2017 #24
Something is wrong with her thinking, clearly. Now, no rigging. seaglass Nov 2017 #23
K & R & bookmarked! SunSeeker Nov 2017 #25
Kick... NT The Polack MSgt Nov 2017 #26
so easy for either the DNC or Hillary to release the signed agreement..... virtualobserver Nov 2017 #27
Yep it is ALWAYS UP TO HRC EH!??? She must do this or that! She must get in the MUD! Madam45for2923 Nov 2017 #29
Truth isn't mud virtualobserver Nov 2017 #32
Well, now! Madam45for2923 Nov 2017 #45
Lol emulatorloo Nov 2017 #52
DONNAB: Trump looks 4 a daily excuse 2 distract from his job. No, d primary system wasnt rigged! Madam45for2923 Nov 2017 #30
So whoever continues this erroneous "rigging" narrative is choosing 2 gaslight & support kooky CTs Madam45for2923 Nov 2017 #28
Its really hard to believe that DB confused the docs and her editor and politico didn't fact check. aikoaiko Nov 2017 #31
If she's not confused it appears that she is a liar. comradebillyboy Nov 2017 #33
incredibly unlikely virtualobserver Nov 2017 #34
We shall see. (nt) ehrnst Nov 2017 #36
Well, look. They produced the document. ehrnst Nov 2017 #37
They did produce the documents. NBC got them. n/t pnwmom Nov 2017 #38
I'm sure that they are convening now to see who will make a statement ehrnst Nov 2017 #35
Looking very likely. I expect a revision to this thing before it gets released. joshcryer Nov 2017 #40
And she's far more likely to get a job now ehrnst Nov 2017 #48
K&R Gothmog Nov 2017 #43
Good job on the fact check. KitSileya Nov 2017 #44
Thank you, ehrnst. brer cat Nov 2017 #46
K&R Jamaal510 Nov 2017 #47
K&R treestar Nov 2017 #49
Brazile is being used to create chaos among Democrats. yardwork Nov 2017 #51
I am reminded of Norma McCorvey. (nt) ehrnst Nov 2017 #53
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