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Botany

(77,208 posts) Fri Jul 20, 2012, 08:22 AM Jul 2012

It is the guns. End of story [View all]

When are we going to break the stranglehold of the NRA, the gun manufacturers
and the gun nuts who allow a proliferation of guns which in turn causes a proliferation
of gun deaths? And please save me that second amendment crap because the
ENTIRE amendment reads:

"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the
people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

These gun nuts and gun culture people are not part of any sort of well regulated militia
by any means so spare me "their constitutional rights" will be infringed by sensible gun
laws such as if you are crazy you can not buy a gun or owning a semi auto AR-15 assault
is your right and you are less of a man if you can't have one.

I own two 20 gauge pump shotguns, a .22 rifle, and I hunt too but when is enough enough?

hell the gun culture is glorified on basic cable 24/7

My sympathies to all those hurting because of what happened in Colorado last night.

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It is the guns. End of story [View all] Botany Jul 2012 OP

Couple guns and nuts and what do you get madokie Jul 2012 #1

Good find on 2nd amendment. N.I.O.F. Jul 2012 #2

Way To Ignore The Well Regulated Phrase ProfessorGAC Jul 2012 #3

Not ignoring. N.I.O.F. Jul 2012 #6

With the largest, most powerful military in the world, what's the point of a militia? auburngrad82 Jul 2012 #21

Seriously, this might be a way of getting a decent national service requirement established. Pholus Jul 2012 #29

+ 1 brazillion! n/t kurtzapril4 Jul 2012 #73

All men ages 17-45 and all members of the national guard are in the militia. Angleae Jul 2012 #167

The UNORGANIZED militia you mean. I'm saying it's time to make them all Well-Regulated. Pholus Jul 2012 #169

Militias are bodies of people who can be conscripted by their states in emergencies slackmaster Jul 2012 #84

Because the greatest enemy of the state could very well become *the state*. {nt} Yukari Yakumo Jul 2012 #90

funny how we gloss over this... Marblehead Jul 2012 #136

militias are gone and with them went the right to bear arms leftyohiolib Jul 2012 #79

Conenient Semantic Gymnastics There (eom) ProfessorGAC Jul 2012 #98

and you should be well regulated. nt xchrom Jul 2012 #4

Post removed Post removed Jul 2012 #7

Absolutely amazing (and disgusting) that the post above was hidden. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2012 #54

So many people shot, and this is what disgusts you? DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2012 #57

Post removed Post removed Jul 2012 #66

What disqusts me , is your post. bahrbearian Jul 2012 #113

Well, good for you. Thanks for helping me understand your priorities DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2012 #117

The OP is a rant about the NRA and Gun nuts, bahrbearian Jul 2012 #123

Again, thanks for helping me understand what you're about. Good day. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2012 #126

You have a nice day , ya delicate flower. bahrbearian Jul 2012 #127

Not just any old, half-assed militia though. eShirl Jul 2012 #5

So N.I.O.F. Jul 2012 #8

that's what you say it says. xchrom Jul 2012 #12

I agree they are crazy. N.I.O.F. Jul 2012 #17

So why did you leave the phrase "well regulated" out? eShirl Jul 2012 #16

Because N.I.O.F. Jul 2012 #18

That is not what "regulated" means in that context hack89 Jul 2012 #25

Language may change Plucketeer Jul 2012 #44

No, the etymology of regulate is mbperrin Jul 2012 #96

This is the definintion I was using hack89 Jul 2012 #99

Nope. "To control by rule" is not what you are saying. mbperrin Jul 2012 #101

The Oxford English Dictionary is the gold standard for the English language, hack89 Jul 2012 #104

Yes, the OED is NOT what you quoted. The site I quoted is one of theirs. mbperrin Jul 2012 #137

Read my post again for comprehension hack89 Jul 2012 #140

If you cannot understand that a secondary paraphrase is not as good as an actual citation, mbperrin Jul 2012 #153

NRA Talking Point bongbong Jul 2012 #133

So show me exactly what the founding fathers said on the matter. hack89 Jul 2012 #135

Educate bongbong Jul 2012 #148

can you read? Botany Jul 2012 #9

Can you? N.I.O.F. Jul 2012 #14

I'll take my Constitutional amendments the way Thomas Jefferson wrote them thank you very much Botany Jul 2012 #23

Wasn't Thomas Jefferson in France at the time as an ambassador, although he wrote a letter to AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2012 #156

Are you part of a militia? morningfog Jul 2012 #20

Could be. There are about 75 million people in the militia. Angleae Jul 2012 #168

This post was also alerted on but had a more reasonable Jury bahrbearian Jul 2012 #27

It does not say that. It says the people have a right to bear arms as part of a AllyCat Jul 2012 #77

No meaningful restrictions on gun rights are going to come out of this. End of story. Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #10

The inevitable trend is for more unjust death and permanent injury. Loudly Jul 2012 #85

Actually, the trend over the last 20 years has been for less unjust death. Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #129

Do you know that an increase in gun ownership is responsible for the decrease in violent crimes? soccer1 Jul 2012 #139

Not for a fact. I do know that those who wish to ban guns (such as the Brady Campaign and VPC) Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #144

Maybe the decrease in violent crimes is due to better... soccer1 Jul 2012 #151

Agree. ananda Jul 2012 #11

tea party paramilitary attitude <--- yes, very important point BlancheSplanchnik Jul 2012 #46

Maybe we should bring back militias Confusious Jul 2012 #13

Then criminals could not get guns right? N.I.O.F. Jul 2012 #15

Bu bye Sedona Jul 2012 #22

I think Confusious Jul 2012 #24

fine w/ me Botany Jul 2012 #19

All on board with this one! After all, guns don't kill people: the militiaman does. Pholus Jul 2012 #26

Nope. wrong Iggy Jul 2012 #31

Every American male up to age 45 is in the unorganized militia. It is the law of the land. hack89 Jul 2012 #28

I did not know that Confusious Jul 2012 #34

Are you over 45? If so, turn in your guns. Hoyt Jul 2012 #106

Come and get them if you dare. nt hack89 Jul 2012 #111

Ah, another intimidating gun owner and gun promoter. Hoyt Jul 2012 #120

It seems to work against passive aggressive gun grabbers hack89 Jul 2012 #122

Police state? Better than a police wannabe state with a bunch of yahoos strutting around with guns. Hoyt Jul 2012 #154

The usual response of the insecure. nt Pholus Jul 2012 #170

The one thing I have no doubt about is that gun control is dead in America hack89 Jul 2012 #171

Frankly, I am surprised to hear such an undemocratic attitude expressed so openly! Pholus Jul 2012 #172

NOPE, I strongly disagree Iggy Jul 2012 #30

this event would have been the same, maybe worse, if he used a flame thrower, KurtNYC Jul 2012 #32

But if everyone carried flamethrowers this wouldn't have been as.... err wait.... Pholus Jul 2012 #36

Actually, owning a flame thrower requires less paperwork than a rifle. Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #43

Appears you've checked into it. Hoyt Jul 2012 #107

Looking it up on Wikipedia was quite the effort. Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #131

This is bullshit RegieRocker Jul 2012 #33

No cherry picking you have to read the whole thing Botany Jul 2012 #39

Correct RegieRocker Jul 2012 #41

However, what the language does NOT do... Lizzie Poppet Jul 2012 #59

10USC311 krispos42 Jul 2012 #88

. Go Vols Jul 2012 #138

You must not be familiar with Heller. The issue is settled. tritsofme Jul 2012 #166

I own a motor vehicle Not Me Jul 2012 #35

The requirements for registration, licensing, inspection, and insurance on your car apply only... slackmaster Jul 2012 #37

Yes and when I am in said registered, insured vehicle... Fla Dem Jul 2012 #74

thank you for posting this. barbtries Jul 2012 #38

Metal phalluses, that's all they are. nt valerief Jul 2012 #40

I'm beginning to think you're right. secondvariety Jul 2012 #61

They're like people who never feel like they have enough money. valerief Jul 2012 #64

My my my... Marinedem Jul 2012 #115

Mental illness? FaceDancer Jul 2012 #128

If the shoe fits....nt laundry_queen Jul 2012 #141

Sounds as if you are jealous. cleanhippie Jul 2012 #91

well... Marinedem Jul 2012 #114

LOL! randome Jul 2012 #134

I believe our violent entertainment culture gblady Jul 2012 #42

I think it is more the violence used to resolve problems by the MIC (Gov't) harun Jul 2012 #45

Bingo. Many cultures can read and watch violent entertainment without blowing each other away RufusTFirefly Jul 2012 #72

Beck said the same thing, but is ridiculed. FaceDancer Jul 2012 #130

god, this picture is just so sick. Really does exemplify what's wrong. BlancheSplanchnik Jul 2012 #47

This message was self-deleted by its author Pizz Jul 2012 #48

No arguments here. Chorophyll Jul 2012 #49

You ask 'when'? Never. randome Jul 2012 #50

i watched that show and i never felt the urge to shoot at anybody... dionysus Jul 2012 #51

Why are we the only 1st world people with 100% uncontrolled guns and crappy health insurance? Patiod Jul 2012 #52

Don't plant that axiom too deep, Farmer Patiod! Lizzie Poppet Jul 2012 #62

Excellent post; well stated! chervilant Jul 2012 #70

You clearly fail to appreciate the beauty of the free market, Patiod RufusTFirefly Jul 2012 #75

+++++GOOD QUESTIONS marions ghost Jul 2012 #132

We don't have 100% uncontrolled guns 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #142

Shhh...don't confuse them with facts. Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #145

My bad, I meant 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #149

"Anyone can get a gun at the 7/11 without so much as showing an ID, ammo is available in vending Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #152

Its also a mental health problem. Bosso 63 Jul 2012 #53

Furthermore, chervilant Jul 2012 #71

No, it's not the guns, MadHound Jul 2012 #55

What?! chervilant Jul 2012 #82

Thank you. laundry_queen Jul 2012 #143

It's not the guns. It's this country's f*cked up worship of them. Avalux Jul 2012 #56

People just refuse to accept that guns kill people. ileus Jul 2012 #58

re:It is the guns. End of story allan01 Jul 2012 #60

So if it is the guns, does every gun owner shoot people? The Straight Story Jul 2012 #63

But what about all the legal gun owners who stopped this lunatic.....oh wait... cbdo2007 Jul 2012 #65

you couldn't restrain yourself for even 24 hours could you snooper2 Jul 2012 #67

No I couldn't restrain myself Botany Jul 2012 #78

Unrec. It is NOT the "end of story." Atman Jul 2012 #68

It is the air.... sendero Jul 2012 #69

Post removed Post removed Jul 2012 #76

I BET THIS MrDiaz Jul 2012 #80

"You ... people" ?? lpbk2713 Jul 2012 #81

And if it was legal? Ruby the Liberal Jul 2012 #83

your right MrDiaz Jul 2012 #86

Can I get you some salt? Ruby the Liberal Jul 2012 #158

A question.... soccer1 Jul 2012 #94

thats a good one MrDiaz Jul 2012 #105

What if banning all guns, other than rifles used for hunting soccer1 Jul 2012 #110

that is the equivalent MrDiaz Jul 2012 #119

What's a "chl" license holder? soccer1 Jul 2012 #147

Guns have only one purpose abelenkpe Jul 2012 #87

Well fuck. Marinedem Jul 2012 #116

Wonder if the theater in my home town will put a "No Weapons Sign" in their window NOW? AllyCat Jul 2012 #89

Whatever ....pffft. L0oniX Jul 2012 #92

Penn and Teller said it best Yukari Yakumo Jul 2012 #93

American Exceptionalism ErikJ Jul 2012 #95

I wonder if the founding fathers would have put the 2nd Amendment in such that way if they 4lbs Jul 2012 #97

Well... Marinedem Jul 2012 #118

Its the constitution. End of story. bhikkhu Jul 2012 #100

So get used to dying, Americans. It's the price of "freedom." Loudly Jul 2012 #102

There are a whole set of responsibilities that go with owning guns bhikkhu Jul 2012 #160

and corporations are people and money is speech nt HomerRamone Jul 2012 #108

Absolutely. But the fetishizing of guns, the sense of self-definition people have been taught to villager Jul 2012 #103

Absolutely IS the guns. One man with a knife could not do that damage. progressivebydesign Jul 2012 #109

So... Marinedem Jul 2012 #121

So is the implication that gun control would have prevented this? electricray Jul 2012 #112

I did not know that the assault weapon ban expired in 2004! soccer1 Jul 2012 #124

And since 2004, the murder rate has gone down. Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #146

Must be a cause-effect relationship between being able to obtain assault weapons and the decrease soccer1 Jul 2012 #150

As defined by the late, unlamented AWB I do indeed have a couple "assault weapons". Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #163

Okay. soccer1 Jul 2012 #164

Good point - there is no good correlation there bhikkhu Jul 2012 #161

Has anyone said yet that more guns are the answer? Capt. Obvious Jul 2012 #125

Agreed RedEarth Jul 2012 #155

Yep, it is. That and a twisted interpretation of the 2nd amendment, which in modern apocalypsehow Jul 2012 #157

How do you explain the bombs he had in his apartment? Zalatix Jul 2012 #159

It is GUNS...an All-American way to handle frustration.... Tikki Jul 2012 #162

You can call it 2nd Amendment "crap" but the Supreme Court disagrees. Bake Jul 2012 #165